Can you Answer?

Can you answer @Brother Rando how both "יהוה the king of Israel" AND "its redeemer, יהוה of hosts" => "I am the first, and I am the last" (1st person singulat pronoun)

My eyes see two subjects speaking using a singular unified pronoun "I" (with "יהוה the king of Israel" = Father AND "its redeemer, יהוה of hosts" => Son)

Can you answer @Brother Rando how Jesus could truthfully be " I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last" without being an eternal voice in One plural unified God ?

My eyes see @Brother Rando embedding personal belief about Jesus being created, which is false. Also the Holy human body of Jesus had one voice so @Brother Rando assertion of "three ... voices" is also false. Hence @Brother Rando "rationale" that follows is simply irrelevant.

My eyes see Christ Michael the Archangel. My faith believes Jesus The Christ is one eternal voice in τὸν θεόν The Most High God with Father & Ruach HaKodesh being the other eternal voices.

Can you answer @Brother Rando why you do NOT believe in  יהוה Jesus The Christ the same as τὸν θεόν The Most High God ?

To me, @Brother Rando does NOT believe my "literally true" assertion posted many months ago:

To me, @Brother Rando lie about me again sadly shows @Brother Rando alignment with our spiritual adversary, the father of lies. To me, @Brother Rando & our spiritual adversary hate @Brother Rando so they want to keep @Brother Rando deceived from experiencing the immense & intense ❤️ Love of Holy יהוה אלהים

If you @Brother Rando want to truly experience יהוה Jesus The Christ, then 🙏 prayerfully ask יהוה Jesus The Christ (not Michael the Archangel).

🙏 My prayers include Holy יהוה אלהים allowing @Brother Rando posters to simply see the spiritual being(s) currently worshipped by @Brother Rando along with encountering Holy Righteous King יהוה Jesus The Christ.

Please 🙏 prayerfully consider what the Memorial of Christ's Death would mean if the spiritual nature inside the Holy Christ body was truly "God with us", an eternal voice in Holy יהוה אלהים whose ❤️ Loving choice was offering a created human body as the sacrifice for all human sin, doing the will of יהוה Father. All of Holy יהוה אלהים experienced the intense agony of יהוה Jesus The Christ body being brutally put to death. My faith belief rejoices that all of Holy יהוה אלהים resurrected the body of יהוה Jesus The Christ 😍 Thankfully my simple agreement with Holy יהוה אלהים about my sins with my forgiveness request instantly received Holy יהוה אלהים forgiveness => wonderful reason to Keep Smiling 4 Jesus 😍 (as Phillipians 4:4-8 renewed my friendship with Holy יהוה אלהים)

Thankful for my slow progress toward Becoming Holy as Holy יהוה אלהים 😍🙏 that enjoys awareness of Holy יהוה אלהים hand upon the back of my neck (when my choices are being Holy) & desires @Brother Rando, et al, to experience the immense & intense ❤️ Love of Holy יהוה אלהים

Keep Smiling 😊

Jesus was 'Son of Heaven' and 'Son of Man' at the same time. These two previous expressions are equivalent to 'Son of God ' and 'Son of David' respectively.

I used to wonder why many people around the world had to misunderstand the expression “Son of God”.

If someone introduces himself as ‘son of desert’, do we hear him say that ‘desert’ is his father or mother?

If a kid is called ‘son of sin’, do we hear that ‘sin’ has to be his father or mother?

Fortunately, the world knows in advance the meanings of ‘desert’ and ‘sin’, so no one complained that 'son of desert' and 'son of sin' are nonsense expressions for saying that desert and sin could be parents of some humans.

So, it was natural that when someone has no idea, at all, to what the word 'God', as revealed by Jesus, is referring, he has no choice but to see the word 'God' in 'Son of God', as referring to a genetically father of Jesus. So, I understand when Muslims are supposed to say: "Our Allah doesn't breed like Christians say". But I didn't hear them say too... no one can be 'son of desert' because 'desert' doesn't breed, or no one can be 'son of evil' because evil doesn't breed, though these two expressions are also used on books (Arabic or else).

@Brother Rando The "Son of God" is not the Son of God but God himself? The Son of David is not the Son of David but David himself?

@KerimF I am afraid that as long one has to see God as Allah of Islam, the expression 'Son of God' has to be nonsense to him.

If one is known as ‘son of America’, this tells us that this person used to live in America and somehow he represents life in it. The same applies on ‘son of desert’. In other words, ‘son of America’ means that he came from America and the ‘son of desert’ came from a desert. It is as simple as this.

Therefore, only if one knows that the word ‘God’ refers to the One Will/Power (not of a unique being) that created the universe, the expression ‘Son of God’ means to him that Jesus came directly from that One Creative Will/Power and have, therefore, all-knowledge about life, as designed (being the source of the ‘Light of Knowledge’).

Also, David was a man, so we can call him a ‘son of man’, as Jesus on earth was also a ‘son of man’ besides being ‘Son of God’.

The origin of confusion is that the notion of the “unconditional love towards all others, good and evil, which is the basis/essence of Jesus’ message” cannot be found in any preprogrammed instruction in the human’s instincts. And it is natural for someone who is guided ‘solely’ by his preprogrammed instincts; as of survival, superiority, selfishness and of applying justice on others (to name a few) to see his Creator as Allah of Islam (which is actually an Arabic version of Moses’ God by which a smart Mohammad was able to create his social political system that overthrew the previous ruling one after he won the last battles).

I admit that all what I say has to be nonsense for every human who has to see the image of his Creator as of Allah in Islam.

Even the non-existent God to atheists is assumed, in their subconscious, to be like a Supernatural Ruling King as Allah of Islam (whom they refuse to obey).

Anyway, let us remember that Jesus was addressing mostly the Jews in His time. They were expecting a great ruling king who will come to rule the world with them. So, most of them were disappointed for hearing Him talking about the ‘spiritual unifying Love’ (on earth as in Heaven) instead of ‘Power’.

@Brother Rando Are you starting to see the Father/Son relationship? If Jesus is God, then Jesus could not claim 'the Father is Greater than I am'.

@KerimF Even on earth (in the material world), if someone loves and trusts to no limit another person (both are real friends), he doesn’t hesitate to tell his audience that his friend is greater than him. Yes, he never says: “I am greater than my friend”, at best he says: "I and my friend are one”. Obviously, only those who believe in the real friendship understand why he said: “My friend is greater than me”.

You see brother? Relativity (of science) also applies in the spiritual realm. Things are seen always relative to the nature of the observer. And no one can change this fact/truth till the end of time.

This is why I understand and respect others as they are and in what they believe. I never tell someone: “You are wrong” because I know in advance that he has his good reasons (good relative to his nature) to be the way he is. So, I am sorry for not being a good interesting player in a debate show :(

@Brother Rando - Your responses reminds me of a poster on the CD Forum that has this same style.

@KerimF Jesus, my Divine Perfect Teacher (the Living Word of God), was seen by the Honorable Jewish Elders as a liar, and He was humiliated, tortured and crucified for being a liar (relative to their nature). Obviously, a good Jew or a good JW has to also see me a liar.

"If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?"

@Brother Rando Islam doesn't believe Jesus is the 'Son of God'. Neither do trinitarians. Islam believes Jesus to be one of the prophets , a spokesman of God. Allah is not God's Name. Allah is the Arabic title for "God". Therefore in Islam, God and Allah are interchangeable.

@KerimF Please correct me if I am wrong. Both Muslims and JWs are supposed to believe that Jesus is one of the prophets. And saying that Jesus is "Son of God" is sort of blasphemy for Muslims (and I hear lately that it is so for JWs too). Also, Jesus of the Gospel didn't exist at all to the radical Jews.

Sorry, whenever Muslims are reminded, anywhere on earth 5 times daily, that it is time for them to pray to Allah, it is out of question to replace the word 'Allah' with any other word. For instance, the word 'god' in Arabic is 'Ilah'. This is why they repeat: "No god but Allah". It means: “among all known gods, only the Arabic one called 'Allah' is true”. And Muslims have to obey Allah's rules written on their Quran ONLY (besides on some other books written after it, said inspired by Allah)

@Brother Rando - Yes, I can see this but the problems is, this is not your teaching.

@KerimF I am not teaching. I just tried to give earthly examples on how three factors, as partner (A), partner (B) and contract (S), represent just One Entity, which is their company (C), while doing business with any outsider. Obviously, the company (C) couldn’t exist by (A) only, (B) only or (S) only. Also, two real friends and their unifying friendship (3 factors) are seen by any outsider having One Will only (not two, as it is the case of two persons who don't trust each other).

What could I add to these two clear examples other than what Jesus said to Nicodemus (a ruler of the ancient Jews):

"If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?"

@Brother Rando Are you starting to see the Father/Son relationship? If Jesus is God, then Jesus is God (incarnated) and could not claim 'the Father is Greater than I am'.

@KerimF So we have to call a person a liar if he likes to honor his friend more than himself and say: "My friend is better than I am". Unfortunately, one cannot get this point well if he never had the chance to have a real friend in his life. Have you?

And, as long someone insists that his God is like a needy earthly king looking for obedient slaves to run his kingdom, it is better for him to convert to Islam whose Allah says clearly (at the beginning of Quran): "I created you just to worship me".

@Brother Rando I don't believe your a Catholic or a Jesuit.

@KerimF Of course, I am not a Catholic or a Jesuit. I was clear since the beginning that I am just an independent student of Jesus (disciple of Jesus, in English) who, only (via the today’s Gospel), saved me from my 'ignorance' by giving me the logical answers to all crucial questions, I was looking for, about life (starting from the end purpose of my temporary existence on earth).

@Brother Rando Many claim the Pope is the closest man to God. Some even claim the Pope to be God's Prophet. Even a few claim the Pope is the Incarnation of God and the Gargoyles are guards protecting the access to the Vatican.

@KerimF To me, Pope at the Vatican (or the like) is just a man, chosen by men, to head a religious ruling system in the name of Jesus. He has the privileges of a rich powerful VIP. The irony is that although Jesus is clear about 'the rich man' {Matthew 19:24}, many millions of Christians try to reach him and get his blessing. Pagans have man-made idols, Jews had holy temples and Muslims have the stony house (kabaa, in which the destroyed ancient idols were) before which they get the blessing of Heaven. And the formal Christians around the world didn't mind having a rich man instead, as Pope or the like!

@KerimF For instance, I personally have no master to obey or even to please. I just live the unconditional love towards all others, good and evil, because the kingdom I am looking for is not of this world.