In this paragraph, you answer your own questions. Why are the vaccinated "so adamant or hostile against someone not vaccinated"? Why "the fuzz and fury to coerce and force unvaccinated to have a shot they do not want"? Why make masks mandatory "to coerce and force unvaccinated to have a shot they do not want"? Because, as you hypothesized in your paragraph's first question, "vaccination is the ultimate or only protection."
Ah ... according to whose propaganda? Why does their propaganda not mention the severe (even to hospitalization and death) effects caused by the vaccines?
Over here, vaccination has been mostly accepted for reason of it being promoted by politician puppets as "the ticket to some freedoms" ... but fully vaccinated still have to obey same mask and other restrictions and media propaganda rails them up against unvaccinated in order to have them do the dirty work blaming unvaccinated for the "necessary" enslavement. Which all shows, Corona-Covid is a PPV, no real natural medical or health threat beyond what other annual infections are.
As seen from your further paragraph, the same holds true other places ...
We are passionate about getting people vaccinated because we want to stop the spread of the virus, we want to minimize the risk of more dangerous variants, we want to save lives and reduce the loads on hospital critical care providers (ICUs in U.S. states that have low vaccination rates are filling up with critically ill COVID patients, creating challenges for those hospitals as they care for other critically ill patients), and because we want to return to something resembling "normal life," which is not possible when only 50% of our population is fully vaccinated.
ICUs in Germany never filled up nor came to capacity limits ... even though politics has closed (!) 20+ hospitals in 2020 thus eliminating ICU capacities and despite false figures reported by hospitals to collect government incentive money for "supposed covid" cases.
I suppose concentration camps for unvaccinated is the next step ? and then follows "the final solution"?
Fascism and tyranny has always worked that way ....
@Wolfgang posted:
Ah ... according to whose propaganda? Why does their propaganda not mention the severe (even to hospitalization and death) effects caused by the vaccines?
Not propaganda. Fact.
The side effects of the vaccines are well-known and have been widely publicized. After my second shot, for example, I experienced a night of unusual tiredness and chills, and combined after the two shots, I had noticeable muscle ache in the affected shoulder for a total of nearly three full days. My experience, though by no means universal, was not at all uncommon.
According to THIS SITE, "Between December 2020 and July 19th, 2021, VAERS received 6,207 reports of death (0.0018% of doses) among people who got a vaccine, but this does not mean the vaccine caused these deaths. Doctors and safety monitors carefully review the details of each case to see if it might be linked to the vaccine. There are three deaths that appear to be linked to blood clots that occurred after people got the J&J vaccine. Since we now know how to correctly treat people who develop these blood clots, future deaths related to this very rare side effect can be prevented."
So, AT WORST, 99.9982% of vaccine recipients did not die from their COVID vaccination. I can't find an estimate of the percentage of those vaccinated who were hospitalized because of their shots, but there is no reason to believe that percentage isn't also very, very, very low.
Again I cite some of the other numbers you have so far - and unsurprisingly - refused to engage:
So please answer directly: What percentage of all COVID deaths would have to be among the unvaccinated before you would acknowledge that vaccinations significantly reduce the chances of dying from COVID? Obviously, 99.999% is not a high enough percentage. What percentage WOULD be high enough?
Over here, vaccination has been mostly accepted for reason of it being promoted by politician puppets as "the ticket to some freedoms" ... but fully vaccinated still have to obey same mask and other restrictions and media propaganda rails them up against unvaccinated in order to have them do the dirty work blaming unvaccinated for the "necessary" enslavement. Which all shows, Corona-Covid is a PPV, no real natural medical or health threat beyond what other annual infections are.
This paragraph about COVID, as are most of your paragraphs about COVID, is rooted in falsehoods. I have neither the time nor the temperament to debunk them.
I resumed my exchange with you about the subject for these few days, not because I believed I could persuade you to acknowledge the falsehood of your claims, but to remind you and other CD readers that your COVID-related posts are, in fact, filled with falsehoods.
I encourage other CD readers to review the data I cited in my posts to prove my assertions, and then compare the level and specificity of that data to the data Wolfgang cited in his posts to prove his assertions. [SPOILER ALERT: Wolfgang basically provided NO data to back up his assertions (because his assertions are false) and offered no substantive rebuttal to the data I provided (because my assertions are true).] And then compare the level of political commentary in Wolfgang's COVID posts (most recently, "I suppose concentration camps for unvaccinated is the next step ? and then follows 'the final solution'?" and "Fascism and tyranny has always worked that way") to the level of political commentary in my COVID posts (most recently and basically always, essentially none).
More to the point of these forums, I invite other CD readers to reflect on the fact that while I presented a Scripture-based argument in favor of vaccinations, Wolfgang did not. I asked him to! But he did not.... in my view, because he could not, because Scripture's command that we work for and serve the common good, not just our own good - that we act on behalf of others, even people we don't know - is clear and beyond refutation. There is no scriptural basis for refusing to get vaccinated, just as there are no data or science to support such a refusal.
COVID is real and deadly. The COVID vaccines are safe, effective, and necessary. SCIENCE and DATA back up those claims, not political commentary. Until you ground your assertions in science and data, Wolfgang, I will continue to engage you only occasionally, to remind you of the falsehood of your claims.
COVID is real and deadly.
So is and was the flu and other sicknesses ... in Germany, the flu in 2016-17 was more deadly than there were deaths of Covid positive tested people. So it is with other sicknesses or accident related number of deaths.
The COVID vaccines are safe, effective, and necessary. SCIENCE and DATA back up those claims, not political commentary.
In Germany , as well as other countries, the cases of Covid vaccine related sickness and deaths is significantly higher than has been with other vaccines in the past (which btw led to vaccination campaigns being aborted, but with Covid vaccines are politically pushed despite such facts. Over here, the political powers in cooperation with their mainstream media puppets are the ones pushing vaccines and restrictions by means of their manipulated "facts"
Until you ground your assertions in science and data, Wolfgang, I will continue to engage you only occasionally, to remind you of the falsehood of your claims.
In Germany, according to some official figures, the number of Covid related sicknesses are only ~0.02-0.04% of the overall population ... so irrespective of vaccination or not, 99+% of the population have no problems with Covid anyways. So why the political vaccination hype and political propaganda for vaccination??
As my grandma used to say, "Something weird going on? Wait just a little and watch who profits ... and you have found the instigators and criminals for the evil done."
@Wolfgang posted:
So is and was the flu and other sicknesses ... in Germany, the flu in 2016-17 was more deadly than there were deaths of Covid positive tested people. So it is with other sicknesses or accident related number of deaths.
According to RKI, the official health statistics agency in Germany, the 2016-17 flu season produced 26 deaths per 100K of population in Berlin. According to THIS SITE, COVID has produced 110 deaths per 100K of population in Germany nationwide. Doing the simple math, in order for the nation as a whole to have had more deaths from the flu in 2016-17 than it has had from COVID, the influenza per capita death rate outside of Berlin had to have been more than 114 per 100K of population. It's not believable to me that the flu death rate in Berlin was less than 1/4 of what it was in the rest of the nation, especially since RKI called the 26/100K rate in Berlin reflective of a "severe" flu season.
In Germany , as well as other countries, the cases of Covid vaccine related sickness and deaths is significantly higher than has been with other vaccines in the past (which btw led to vaccination campaigns being aborted, but with Covid vaccines are politically pushed despite such facts. Over here, the political powers in cooperation with their mainstream media puppets are the ones pushing vaccines and restrictions by means of their manipulated "facts"
This is political spin, not statistical data.
In Germany, according to some official figures, the number of Covid related sicknesses are only ~0.02-0.04% of the overall population ... so irrespective of vaccination or not, 99+% of the population have no problems with Covid anyways. So why the political vaccination hype and political propaganda for vaccination??
According to THIS SITE, Germany has experienced 3.8 million confirmed COVID cases to-date. Let's assume what's basically virologically impossible - that those 3.8 million cases represent only 1.9 million individuals, every one of whom contracted COVID twice. 1.9 million is about 2.3% of Germany's ~83 million population (using the same preposterous assumption that all COVID-positive people have caught the virus twice, COVID has infected 5.5% the U.S. population). The claim of "some official figures" that COVID has affected only ~0.02-0.04% of the German population is off by a factor of from 60-100.
As usual, the data do not support your claims, Wolfgang. The political spin does! But not the data. If it did support your claims, you'd post links to it, as I post links to the data that support my claims. But you don't... because you can't... because the data don't support your claims... because your claims are false.
unthinkable in our day and time .... now those standing up for basic constitution liberties are "prosecuted" by those indoctrinated by big pharma politic dictators ...
Those Covid vaccinated folks possibly can throw their ideas of being "protected by vaccine" into the trash bin .... in Germany, the main media announced yesterday that it might well be necessary to have a 3rd shot still this year to "ensure" protection .... In addition, developing further covid variants will require "booster shots"
Same day announcement: "Biontec expects 16 billion € business this year ... stock holders happy about 500% increase in value". A rather profitable "business" ????
😉 Just remember ... nothing has anything to do with anything ... all noble charitable well meaning liberty oriented higher powers. 😉
those interested can use the translator of their choice to better understand what is said on this German poster:
oh oh .... could that be true? suspected conspiracy theorists knew this soon after the start of the PCR testing "evangelizing campaign" in spring 2020 ...
Must of course be Wolfgang's fake news again ....😉
@Wolfgang posted:
oh oh .... could that be true? suspected conspiracy theorists knew this soon after the start of the PCR testing "evangelizing campaign" in spring 2020 ...
No, it couldn't be true.
Must of course be Wolfgang's fake news again ....😉
Indeed.
First, I read the CDC document to which the item to which you linked referred, or at least as much of it as I could handle. [Just curious: Did you read any significant portion of the CDC document itself, Wolfgang? Not asking whether you read the article to which you linked! Did you read the CDC document to which that article refers?] From the language of the CDC document, it was obvious that the article to which you linked misconstrued the meaning of the small bit of the document's content that it quoted, but, not being a lab scientist, I didn't know how. In addition, I knew enough about "pooled" COVID tests to know that the article to which you linked was badly in error about those.
A 30 second Google search then yielded fact check reports about this alleged conspiracy produced by media outlets whose reporters are not lab scientists either, so they contacted scientists who were. I invite you to read THIS, and THIS, and finally THIS. The upshot of those articles is that the process described in the CDC report is entirely normal. At the time of the PCR test's development, there was a lot not known about the virus, including how much of it were present in any given sample. From the second cited article:
Dr Thushan de Silva, from the University of Sheffield’s Department of Infection, Immunity and Cardiovascular Disease, told Reuters that this was not correct.
De Silva said that the document is describing what was used to determine the lowest amount of viral genetic material the RT-PCR assay could detect.
“They describe a very common process during assay set up, where the limit of detection of the RT-PCR assay was determined”, he said.
In this case, the CDC have used ‘transcribed’ RNA as the positive control - which means they used synthetically produced genetic material identical to that carried by the virus.
“To calculate the limit of detection of an RT-PCR assay, you need to have a known quantity of virus to extract genetic material (RNA) from, or alternatively a known quantity of RNA identical to that carried by the virus ”, de Silva said.
According to de Silva, one reason for using transcribed RNA would have been that at the time of set up, not many standardised and quantified viral stocks would have been available to extract viral RNA from.
De Silva maintains that using transcribed RNA rather than RNA extracted from quantified viral stocks is no reason to question the existence of SARS-CoV-2.
“There are now hundreds of stocks of cultured SARS-CoV-2 in laboratories around the world”, he said.
And from the first article I cited, quoting an email sent to the media outlet from Heba Mostafa, an assistant professor of pathology at Johns Hopkins Medicine:
“At that time, the US didn’t have an actual virus available to develop diagnostics because we didn’t have cases diagnosed in the US yet (of course because of the lack of the available diagnostics). So to characterize and develop assays, controls were developed by using the available sequence of the whole genome to develop synthesized transcripts, just for the sake of assay development and evaluation,” Mostafa explained.
“Shortly after we started diagnosis in the US, we started to isolate the virus and develop stocks to use as controls. Thousands of cases are diagnosed daily and many labs have a lot of isolates that match or very close to the initial Chinese isolate.”
So as you said, Wolfgang, "Must of course be Wolfgang's fake news again ....😉"
http://auf1.tv/newsletter ....... the "fairy tale" about unvaccinated people being responsible for Covid outbreaks has been exposed as polit panic propaganda. Only vaccinated people on board ... was there a hidden unvaccinated "mole" on the ship for this "vaccinated cruise"??
@Bill_Coley ..... seems like your idea of getting rid of Covid with coercing (or forcing?) vaccination is not quite accurate and has been proven wrong by this live event ..
Unless, off course, it's all just another Wolfgang fake news ...
Restrictions for what purpose ????
More people vaccinated => more new Covid incidences ..... very effective vaccinations ! (but not for what those "racing to get vaccinated" ...)
In Stephen Cathedral in Vienna, Covid vaccinations are now administered ... even during mass
How far have ministers here gone in their eagerness for Covid vaccination?
“The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.” — Carl Sagan
Note: This saying has been attributed to cosmologist Martin Rees and astronomer Carl Sagan; however, some think it was circulated before these gentlemen were born.
Bill, I heard recently doctors are NOT reporting accurately, if at all to VAERS. Therefore, I am not buying into "big pharma" lies or your pavlovian dog-like statistical shenanigans. CM
More from the fake news guy across the big pond: 😉
The Democrat governor of Louisiana announced an indoor mask mandate through at least Sept. 1 for anyone 5 and older who enter places like schools, businesses and churches, no matter their vaccination status.
Fear! Fear! Why are hospitals known to have quite numerous vaccinated delta variant patients? And why then is there this urge to promote and force vaccination on those who are healthy in order fort the public to be safe ?? Are insane steps now the Corona norm mentality?
And some would still trust the information put out by CDC ????? Have a look at what is suggested on their own website:
CDC is making plans for essentially concentration camps !! “High-risk” people should be moved to “green zone” camps where “they would have minimal contact with family members.” Hmn ... anyone waking up to the "good will" of CDC?
The first people for such internment camps are elderly with co-morbidities ... or are the high risk folks in accordance with vaccine propaganda in reality more the"unvaccinated"?? Looks more like the latter will be involuntarily on a "special camp site"! Only the ones injected with the vaccine might leave camp again ?
Is this still Wolfgang's “conspiracy theory” or an actual CDC plan ??
@Wolfgang posted:
Is this still Wolfgang's “conspiracy theory” or an actual CDC plan ??
The way you chose to summarize the CDC document about a so-called "shielding" approach to COVID-19 mitigation is another of Wolfgang's conspiracy theories in that your summary of it is profoundly (intentionally?) misleading and inaccurate.
I don't have the time, the patience, or the tolerance needed to debunk the latest tsunami of falsehoods you've posted, Wolfgang. If past is prologue, at some point in the next few months I'll collect sufficient amounts of those personal resources to spend a week or so reminding you and other CD readers that on matters of social and political policy, you post falsehood after falsehood after falsehood after falsehood after falsehood after falsehood - that basically every major assertion you ever make in your posts on such matters is false. But I'm not going to do that in this post or for the foreseeable future.
However, I will offer a few hints for those who are curious as to some (but not all) of the ways in which Wolfgang's description of the CDC's "shielding" document is misleading and inaccurate:
Some more Covid topic related information ...
Higher vaccination ratio => higher number of new infections .... charts of 08/13/21 from RKI
AstraZeneca warns: up to 10 Percent of those vaccinated may experience autoimmune problems!
hmn .... who of the "vaccinated" gets to know about such concerns and warnings`? The ,mainstream media fed population is held in ignorance and only stuffed with big pharma politic propaganda ....
Also, xp the following recent info
I challenge anyone to try debunk this video clip. It’s irrefutable. Woe on the world’s population:
NOTHING CAN STOP WHAT IS COMING!
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Ecux1OTy56oK/
Bill, accept the truth this vaccine. CM
@C Mc posted:
I challenge anyone to try debunk this video clip. It’s irrefutable. Woe on the world’s population:
NOTHING CAN STOP WHAT IS COMING!
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Ecux1OTy56oK/
Bill, accept the truth this vaccine. CM
I have to give you credit, CM. You've finally found a video I can't debunk.... Well, that's not exactly what's happened. What's actually happened is that you've found a video I can't find. The link you provided in your post leads nowhere, at least according to the Chrome and Firefox browsers; neither can find the webpage to which your link points.
Still, you get style points for creativity. If you can't base your assertions about the COVID vaccines on websites that exist, then base them on websites that don't exist!
Now the chances that I will be able to debunk the video I'll find at the corrected link, should you post it, are about the same as the chances that a vaccinated person will not die from COVID (i.e. 99.9997%). If you correct the link, I'll post the conclusion of my review, but only in the form of a headline; I won't waste my time providing details. As I have made clear to you in previous posts, I will no longer play the game in which you post falsehoods, but then refuse to respond to - refuse even to acknowledge the existence of - my debunking of your claims.
Your posting strategy on this issue is akin to people who throw rocks at their neighbors' windows, miss, then hide when the neighbors come out to tell them that they saw them throw the rocks. When the neighbors move back inside, the rock throwers try again, miss again, and then hide again when the neighbors come back out... so that the process can repeat again. From now on, CM, I'll tell you that you missed, but I won't help you find the rocks you wasted.
Calm down, Bill, say the clip didn’t work. You don’t have to make things up about me. Here’s, hopefully, a working address: https://www.bitchute.com/video/Ecux1OTy56oK/
Let’s be nice. I am not the person you described above. Be better. CM
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