Since Moses was called elohim, does that make him God?
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For instance, in these days, the word 'God' is somehow used universally in different situations.
For example, when a boy feels a great attraction and love towards an educated beautiful girl, he may end up telling her "You are my god". Obviously, his girl just understands from his saying that he accepts her to be somehow his 'master on earth'.
A human only is given the freedom to oppose or not his robotic nature. But, by opposing it, such a human becomes no more of this world.
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Thank you @KerimF for your comments.
@Brother Rando - The title "God" can have different meaning to different individuals. Even individuals such as Moses was called God. AS we can see from Scripture, notice the teaching there is one God, the Father.
For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him. (1 Corinthians 8:5-6)
I first shared a Scripture with you from the Apostle Peter in hopes it would shake you up to Spiritual Alertness since your back ground is of the Catholic faith. One would think since the Catholic Church proclaims the Apostle Peter is the First Pope of the Catholic Church they would share his teachings found in the Bible. However, the Catholic faith doesn't engage in the teachings of Peter because his teachings are contrary to the Catholics doctrine. Therefore this teaching should have caught your attention.
- Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for according to his great mercy he gave us a new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, (1 Peter 1:3)
Notice this One Teaching counters the false teaching of three gods and incarnation. IF Jesus Christ is God, then he could not die.
- Would God lie and deceive people that God was Dead?
- If Jesus is God, then who Resurrected God from the Dead?
If there is only One God, then three gods are not accurate. What SCRIPTURE teaches that they are three gods? If the Scripture doesn't state it, then who are claiming it does?
You seem to me, to be someone who is Spiritual and that is a good thing. Jesus stated when you pray you must pray this way,
“‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified. Let your Kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also on earth. Give us today our bread for this day; and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And do not bring us into temptation, but deliver us from the wicked one." (Matthew 6:9-13)
I am sure you recall the Prayer, we prayed it every Sunday. It's often called the Lord's Prayer or the Our Father Prayer.
We have a similar history. I too was a Catholic in my youth.
What is it like to die?
I first learned about death through a Bible Study. After learning the truth about death and that death is the last enemy that will be conquered, I wanted to learn more. Here’s a few scriptures that may give you some Relief and Comfort.
“For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten.” (Ecclesiastes 9:5)
My Catholic upbringing always taught me that hell was an eternal place of torment and inescapable. This religious teaching never sat well with me. I could never figure out why the God of Love would do such a thing.
Then at my Bible Study, I came across this scripture, “hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.” (Rev 20:13) This blew my mind because it connected the dots for me. See, the priests would take money from the parishioners to pray for their dead loved ones, telling us this might get them out of hell. All the while, preaching that hell is ETERNAL. Did they know something I didn’t, I wondered? This was nothing but a ponzi scheme.
Other scriptures that gave me Relief and Comfort is the good news about the Resurrection. “And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.” (Acts 24:15) I was elated to learn this about my loved ones that have passed in death.
Then Jesus Christ told his followers, “Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out” (John 5:28) Free Bible Study | JW.ORG
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@Brother Rando I first shared a Scripture with you from the Apostle Peter in hopes it would shake you up to Spiritual Alertness since your back ground is of the Catholic faith.
@KerimF I am sorry to give you the impression that I may have an interest to hear what the Apostle Peter, or any other man (Prophet, Apostle, Disciple, Saint... etc.) have said.
I know it is boring to let you hear the same thing, over and over.
Jesus only, no one else, was able to give me all the logical answers I was looking for. I mean, I got from Him knowledge, not a doctrine. And if someone told me that I was created to obey and worship a god whose image is much like of an earthly king looking for obedient slaves and followers, I respect his belief, his doctrine, as I respect the earthly slaves who obey and serve their earthly masters.
After all, it is not a crime if someone follows his preprogrammed instincts that let him look for money and power by any means, to ensure his survival on earth as long as possible and enjoy his superiority over others before he dies. But obviously, it is hard for such a human to understand someone who, as I, says: “The kingdom I am looking for is not of this world”.
My last worries are to be rich, to be a master or to be an obedient slave of a great master (masters). I am free to love/care even those who are created to play my enemies and no one can accuse me of being a traitor because I don’t belong to any formal group, religious or political. I am also free not to resist whoever enjoys hating me or even persecuting me.
God (The One Loving Will/Power of my Heavenly Father and Jesus, unified by the Holy Spirit) is of spirit, and I do care of my soul only to be an image of this Divine Spirit, before I lose my mortal body at death, the end of my stewardship on earth {Luke 16:1-9}.
A human only is given the freedom to oppose or not his robotic nature. But, by opposing it, such a human becomes no more of this world.
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@KerimF Jesus only, no one else, was able to give me all the logical answers I was looking for. I mean, I got from Him knowledge, not a doctrine. And if someone told me that I was created to obey and worship a god whose image is much like of an earthly king looking for obedient slaves and followers, I respect his belief, his doctrine, as I respect the earthly slaves who obey and serve their earthly masters.
How can you listen to the one you don't even know? I showed you his teachings but you are not willing to listen. I'll quote him. Let's see if you listen....
- “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life." (John 3:16)
- About the ninth hour, Jesus called out with a loud voice, saying: “Eʹli, Eʹli, laʹma sa·bach·thaʹni?” that is, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” (Matthew 27:46)
- “Why, then, do you call me ‘Lord! Lord!’ but do not do the things I say? (Luke 6:46)
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@Brother Rando How can you listen to the one you don't even know?
@KerimF Should I know Pythagoras to know that the theorem of the right angle is true? Should I know Newton to accept that Newton’s laws are useful to be applied in some physics problems?
@Brother Rando I showed you his teachings but you are not willing to listen.
@KerimF You kindly showed me how you understood His teachings. Sorry, we have both an intelligent human brain. But each brain helps its owner to understand events and ideas, he heard of, in a way that suits better his inner nature.
When I was a kid then teen, I used to think that all humans have to be created of the same nature. So I was surprised for many years whenever I saw others doing things that I can’t even imagine I can do them any time in my life. My first thought was: “They are surely ignorant of certain things”. But, with time, I realized they are not ignorant at all. They just do whatever pleases their nature of which they are created. Since then, I had no reason at all to judge or even blame someone no matter what he may do. After all, every robot has no choice but to execute its preprogrammed instructions.
@KerimF Yes, this is how the Apostle John (who used to be a Jew) was able to see in Jesus, in the Father and in the word ‘Son’, 2000 years ago. Should I also imitate him in what he saw just because some powerful rich masters tell their subjects to do it?
In this respect, I won’t be surprised if some people see Jesus saying nonsense in {Matthew 5:44-45}. Jesus was very clear that, if I want, I can also be 'a beloved son of my Heavenly Father' if I don’t mind to love/care even my enemies... etc. (that is by living the Divine Unconditional Love on earth, as it is in Heaven).
@Brother Rando (Matthew 27:46)
@KerimF What should someone expect from Jesus to say instead in that situation? Me too, I call my Heavenly Father, my God... while I know that my ‘God of Love’ couldn’t exist by my Heavenly Father alone, by Jesus alone or by the Holy Spirit alone. And whenever I address one of them, I simply address my God (their One Loving Will/Power). So, Jesus simply liked to show his killers around Him that he was indeed suffering and powerless so that they can celebrate their victory and repeat:
“He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him.”
Well, no one can deny that the ancient Jews, as the today’s ones, were waiting A POWERFUL KING, not a humble loving one. They are supposed to focus on material/earthly things only and wait, therefore, to have a big share of POWER on earth (we can see it even today in...) with a Powerful God, even more powerful than Allah.
@KerimF So what?!
@Brother Rando Was Jesus Just a Good Man?
@KerimF What makes someone to be seen as a good man? Yes, Jesus said: “Which of you convinceth me of sin?” And no one around Him did, so they had no choice but to insult Him instead. A man, good or not, cannot provide the 'perfect' knowledge which a human may need (perfect relative to his needs). Only the One who has the knowledge of the One Loving Will/Power that created the universe, can do it. So thanks to Jesus, I learnt well how to live like Him so that I can repeat here what he said: “Which of you convinceth me of sin?” And since I am not better than my Teacher, I expect that some humans may feel a real need to also insult me.
On the other hand, it is really amazing how it was possible to convince the world that a Christian is born to be a sinner but all his sins will be forgiven if he believes really that Jesus is ‘The Savior’. I wish this is as simple and true, and Jesus was just exaggerating when he added:
“Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.”
If Jesus was just a man (like the ancient Prophets, for example), he couldn’t provide me all knowledge I needed about my existence and how it is related to the material world in which I will live till the death of my mortal living flesh. Only my God can do it. Yes, I didn’t learn from men any truth related to the living soul in me and Jesus didn’t tell me about it already.
A human only is given the freedom to oppose or not his robotic nature. But, by opposing it, such a human becomes no more of this world.
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@Brother Rando Was Jesus Just a Good Man?
@KerimF What makes someone to be seen as a good man? Yes, Jesus said: “Which of you convinceth me of sin?” And no one around Him did, so they had no choice but to insult Him instead. A man, good or not, cannot provide the 'perfect' knowledge which a human may need (perfect relative to his needs). Only the One who has the knowledge of the One Loving Will/Power that created the universe, can do it. So thanks to Jesus, I learnt well how to live like Him so that I can repeat here what he said: “Which of you convinceth me of sin?” And since I am not better than my Teacher, I expect that some humans may feel a real need to also insult me.
On the other hand, it is really amazing how it was possible to convince the world that a Christian is born to be a sinner but all his sins will be forgiven if he believes really that Jesus is ‘The Savior’. I wish this is as simple and true, and Jesus was just exaggerating when he added:
“Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.”
If Jesus was just a man (like the ancient Prophets, for example), he couldn’t provide me all knowledge I needed about my existence and how it is related to the material world in which I will live till the death of my mortal living flesh. Only my God can do it. Yes, I didn’t learn from men any truth related to the living soul in me and Jesus didn’t tell me about it already.
@Brother Rando - The Bible’s answer
Jesus was more than just a good man. At the very least, he has proved to be the most influential man in human history. Note what these famous historians and writers have said about him:
- “Jesus of Nazareth . . . is easily the dominant figure in history.”—H. G. Wells, English historian.
- “[Jesus’] life is the most influential ever lived on this planet and its effect continues to mount.”—Kenneth Scott Latourette, American historian and author.
The Bible identifies why Jesus has had a greater impact than any other good man who ever lived. When Jesus asked his closest followers who they thought he was, one of them correctly answered: “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”—Matthew 16:16.
My hope is that you keep your Bible Studies a major priority. Jesus Christ gives this counsel and advise:
- “Keep on asking, and it will be given you; keep on seeking, and you will find; keep on knocking, and it will be opened to you; for everyone asking receives, and everyone seeking finds, and to everyone knocking, it will be opened." (Matthew 7:7)
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@Brother Rando Note what these famous historians and writers have said about him...
@KerimF And many other historians and writers said exactly the inverse.
You may recall I said earlier that even if the entire world will someday deny Jesus (the one, I know, who came from the One Loving Will/Power that created me, God), I have no reason at all to deny Him, unless I deny myself first.
A human only is given the freedom to oppose or not his robotic nature. But, by opposing it, such a human becomes no more of this world.
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@KerimF And many other historians and writers said exactly the inverse.
You may recall I said earlier that even if the entire world will someday deny Jesus (the one, I know, who came from the One Loving Will/Power that created me, God), I have no reason at all to deny Him, unless I deny myself first.
Even though they are historians that have attributed to the existence of Jesus we look to the Bible as the Final Authority. However, we have often appealed to the atheists and non-believer using reason, logic, and facts. Even the time frame we use is in the BC or AD. Why would count time this way if Jesus never existed?
Many Biblical accounts that deal with lost cities and rulers were verified by Archaeologists, even though a good many of them are atheists. Even the Dead Sea Scrolls that have God's Personal Name in them in the fragments found in the 1950's AD .
Jehovah is the true God of the Bible, the Creator of all things. (Revelation 4:11) The prophets Abraham and Moses worshipped him, as did Jesus. (Genesis 24:27; Exodus 15:1, 2; John 20:17) He is the God, not just of one people, but of “all the earth.”—Psalm 47:2.
Jehovah is God’s unique name as revealed in the Bible. (Exodus 3:15; Psalm 83:18) It comes from a Hebrew verb that means “to become,” and a number of scholars suggest that the name means “He Causes to Become.” This definition well fits Jehovah’s role as the Creator and the Fulfiller of his purpose. (Isaiah 55:10, 11) The Bible also helps us to know the Person behind the name Jehovah, especially his dominant quality of love.—Exodus 34:5-7; Luke 6:35; 1 John 4:8.
The name Jehovah is an English translation of the Hebrew name for God—the four letters יהוה (YHWH), known as the Tetragrammaton. The exact pronunciation of the divine name in ancient Hebrew is not known. However, the form “Jehovah” has a long history in the English language, first appearing in William Tyndale’s Bible translation of 1530.
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What can we do?
You see your Jealous Ruling God in Holy Words.
I perceive God's Love, the Holy Spirit, in my living soul.
We both know that no one can change us (you or me) because we are no more kids and know very well what we are doing.
A human only is given the freedom to oppose or not his robotic nature. But, by opposing it, such a human becomes no more of this world.
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It's true that Jehovah is a jealous God. "You must not bow down to them nor be enticed to serve them, for I, Jehovah your God, am a God who requires exclusive devotion, bringing punishment for the error of fathers upon sons, upon the third generation and upon the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing loyal love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments." (Exodus 20:5-6)
“You must not take up the name of Jehovah your God in a worthless way, for Jehovah will not leave unpunished the one who takes up His name in a worthless way.(Exodus 20:7)
You must not bow down to another god, for Jehovah is known for requiring exclusive devotion. Yes, he is a God who requires exclusive devotion. (Exodus 34:14)
Then God said once more to Moses: “This is what you are to say to the Israelites, ‘Jehovah the God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my Name forever, and this is how I am to be remembered from generation to generation. (Exodus 3:15)
“The God of gods, Jehovah! The God of gods, Jehovah! He knows, and Israel will also know. If we were rebellious and unfaithful to Jehovah, do not spare us this day. (Joshua 22:22)
Many religions reject God's Personal Name Jehovah and therefore are struck Blind, they cannot see. Even though God's Name was removed from the Bible. There are many witnesses left in the record to find his Name. Names that are derived from God's Holy and Sacred Name JEHOVAH.
- Joshua means 'Jehovah is Salvation'
- Hallelujah means 'Praise Jehovah"
- Elijah means 'My God is Jehovah'
Rules? No it's not what you think....rather FREEDOM
- “Now, O Israel, what is Jehovah your God asking of you? Only this: to fear Jehovah your God, to walk in all his ways, to love him, to serve Jehovah your God with all your heart and all your soul, (Deuteronomy 10:12)
One of the scribes who had come up and heard them disputing, knowing that he had answered them in a fine way, asked him: “Which commandment is first of all?”
- Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah, and you must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind and with your whole strength.’ (Mark 12:29-30)
- The second is this, ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.” (Mark 12:31)
If you do these two things, there is No Law. Why not check out a Kingdom Hall close to you. Jehovah Witnesses are all over the World. Soon you can meet millions of my brothers and sisters that Love Jehovah in the manner Jesus Christ taught his followers to Love His Father and God.
An Ancient Manuscript Supports God’s Name
- Experts show how an ancient manuscript supports the decision of restoring Jehovah’s name to its proper place in the Christian Greek Scriptures.
- https://www.jw.org/en/library/series/more-topics/ancient-manuscript-gods-name-video/
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@Brother Rando “Now, O Israel, what is Jehovah your God asking of you? Only this: to fear Jehovah your God, to walk in all his ways, to love him, to serve Jehovah your God with all your heart and all your soul, (Deuteronomy 10:12)
How can I fear someone I love the most?! Sorry for this personal question: Do you also fear (no matter how the word ‘fear’ means) a person, you really love and trust, on earth?
How can I walk the way of a One-being God, other than trying to be like Him; a powerful master imposing rules on others... okay... imposing them with love?!
How can I serve the Almighty God without also believing that God needs me, the tiny creature on a tiny planet surfing in his huge universe, to serve Him?!
You see? If Jesus was just a man (a Prophet) he would repeat what Moses said.
But Jesus, all-knowledge, knew already what I have in mind. Yes, Jesus mentioned the word ‘love’ only... He removed the words ‘fear’ and ‘serve’ in His greatest advice. Well, I guess the words ‘fear’ and ‘serve’ could be found on the Gospel elsewhere likely when Jesus was addressing Jews who were supposed to fear and serve God (Jehovah), exactly as JWs do now (if I am not imagining things).
So, after 2000 years, I knew that it was enough for me to love and trust God to no limit (the One Loving Will/Power of my Heavenly Father and Jesus, unified by the Holy Spirit) by seeing everything, yes everything in me and around me, are made for my good. How could I also fool myself thinking that God’s Love also needs my fear and/or service?!
For instance, whenever I can service others on earth, I do it to feed my living soul, not by fear of God or to serve God.
A human only is given the freedom to oppose or not his robotic nature. But, by opposing it, such a human becomes no more of this world.
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@Brother Rando “Now, O Israel, what is Jehovah your God asking of you? Only this: to fear Jehovah your God, to walk in all his ways, to love him, to serve Jehovah your God with all your heart and all your soul, (Deuteronomy 10:12)
How can I fear someone I love the most?! Sorry for this personal question: Do you also fear (no matter how the word ‘fear’ means) a person, you really love and trust, on earth?
I understand your question and how you are trying hard to make sense of these things. Stop sinning against Jehovah and he will gladly open your eyes of understanding. Let's take a look at this scripture about Jesus Christ.
- During his life on earth, Christ offered up supplications and also petitions, with strong outcries and tears, to the One who was able to save him out of death, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear. (Hebrew 5:7)
Jesus Christ displayed godly fear to the One who was able to save him out of death, by doing the (Will) of His Father and God Jehovah.
- Fear in this case is not a morbid fear of being afraid, frightened, or scared.
- Jesus Christ feared His Father in the sense of displeasing him because of His Loyal Love!
- Ask Jehovah for help in the Name of Jesus Christ and he will make your eyes of understanding SEE and Wisdom from above will be given to you freely...
@KerimF You see? If Jesus was just a man (a Prophet) he would repeat what Moses said.
@Brother Rando Jesus was not just a man (a Prophet). Not only did he repeat what Moses said, but cured the sick, raised the dead, and preached about God's Kingdom and what it would do for mankind. Jesus Christ gave signs to prove that he was the Son of Man that had authority to forgive sins.
- But in order for you to know that the Son of man has authority to forgive sins on earth—” he said to the paralytic: “I say to you, Get up, pick up your stretcher, and go to your home.” (Mark 2:10-11)
Jesus taught about God’s Kingdom more than any other subject. What is the Kingdom? How will it benefit you?
Hope you are learning and beginning to SEE. 😀
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@Brother Rando Stop sinning against Jehovah and he will gladly open your eyes of understanding.
@KerimF What?! Please don't tell me you are serious that I, one of the created mortal tiny beings (humans), have the power to hurt (sin against) even OUR CREATOR!
Perhaps you have such power (or you are told to have it) to change the mood of Our Creator, in one way or another, because I don't have it :(
Naturally, those who worship a 'human-like god' can sin against him. For example, Pagans and Muslims were told that they have the power to hurt their god(s) to the point he has to punish them for sinning against him.
For instance, in math:
if X=A and Y=A, we conclude that X=Y
Once, you told me that Allah to Muslims is equivalent to God. And Jehovah to WJs is also equivalent to God. But we both know that Jehovah of JWs is not Allah of Muslims. So, we conclude that one of the two previous statements has to be wrong. Which one?
@Brother Rando Jesus was not just a man (a Prophet). Not only did he repeat what Moses said, but cured the sick, raised the dead, and preached about God's Kingdom and what it would do for mankind. Jesus Christ gave signs to prove that he was the Son of Man that had authority to forgive sins.
@KerimF Here, we need to return back to the time of the ancient Jews (to Jesus' time on earth).
Jews like most people in the world are preprogrammed to be attracted by rich powerful men. On the other hand, a powerful rich human cannot be a trully independent one. If the last statement sounds wrong to you, please give me an example to open my eyes.
So, for Jesus to attract the attention of Jews, He had, according to the previous natural fact, to be a rich man. But it was out of question for Jesus to be a rich man:
"It is easier for a camel/rope to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God."
The solution was to attract the Jews attention by miracles. So he cured the sicks and raised the dead... who, later, were all dead for good as all other humans. But no one can deny that, without his various great miracles, it would be very hard for his Apostles and First Disciples to sacrifce themeselves while preaching Jesus' message of Love so that it can be on my hands even after 2000 years.
About forgiving sins, a today's man is a ware that the meaning of sin and how it affects one's life are very different to the ancient Jews (kids of humanity) and to many humans in these days (adults of humanity).
Those ancient Jews had no idea about almost all medical discoveries related to the various weaknesses that may hit the human body. So, they, like other kids of humanity of their time, were attributing most of their body's weaknesses to God's wrath, sorts of punishment. This means that they had to see God much like Pagans used to believe in their god's wrath over the disobedient humans (Yes, also pagans had their holy words and rules to obey).
Jesus, having all-knowledge, knows already how they think, so he told them that because he can forgive their sins against God (since they, like pagans, used to see God as a worldly King who can be hurt), their bodies became healthy. Anyway, Jesus was able to let most people around Him hear Him to the point the Jewish high priest, said: "Ye know nothing at all, nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not."
In human history, there wasn't an independent unarmed man, other than Jesus, who, alone, was able to threaten an entire nation and its rulers.
Even after 2000 years, they are still humans who don't mind believing that they have the power by which they can hurt their God, and they can also please Him to let His mood be well. In other words, they still believe in sinning against God. A fact that no one can change.
What I know is that I may/can hurt (sin against) humans only. And humans, including I, are given the power to forgive whoever may hurt them. The latter ones feel like God forgave them too. Jesus is very clear about this truth in many of His sayings.
@Brother Rando Jesus taught about God’s Kingdom more than any other subject. What is the Kingdom? How will it benefit you?
Sorry, I am interested in God's Kingdom of Love only.
But a kingdom of rules, said in Heaven or on earth, seems to please almost all humans around the world.
A human only is given the freedom to oppose or not his robotic nature. But, by opposing it, such a human becomes no more of this world.
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@KerimF What?! Please don't tell me you are serious that I, one of the created mortal tiny beings (humans), have the power to hurt (sin against) even OUR CREATOR!
Yes, I know sometimes the truth hurts but you need to know that the sin you are making causes death and hurts OUR CREATOR!
- How often they rebelled against him in the wilderness And made him feel hurt in the desert! (Psalm 78:40)
- Jehovah regretted that he had made men on the earth, and his heart was saddened. (Genesis 6:6)
- ‘But am I the one they are hurting?’ declares Jehovah. ‘Is it not they themselves, to their own shame?’ (Jeremiah 7:19)
@KerimF Once, you told me that Allah to Muslims is equivalent to God. And Jehovah to WJs is also equivalent to God. But we both know that Jehovah of JWs is not Allah of Muslims. So, we conclude that one of the two previous statements has to be wrong. Which one?
@Brother Rando I told you when you were completely blind that Allah is the Arabic term for God... it's simply a title.
- Allah - God = Arabic
- God - God = English
- Elohim - God = Hebrew
- ton theon - God = Greek
- theos - God = Greek
- Every language has a language term for God
Jehovah is God's Personal Name in English -EVERYTHING HAS A NAME
- Jehovah was the God of the Jews until they killed his Son (Jesus)
- Jesus rejected Jerusalem and told them the temple will be DESTROYED
- What's on the temple mount today? A Foreign god
The Jews are No Longer God's Chosen People... there is now a people chosen out of the Nations for God's NAME.
- Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent to her—how often I wanted to gather your children together the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings! But you did not want it. (Matthew 23:37)
- Now as Jesus was departing from the temple, his disciples approached to show him the buildings of the temple. In response he said to them: “Do you not see all these things? Truly I say to you, by no means will a stone be left here upon a stone and not be thrown down.” (Mathew 24:1-2)
- Symeon has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his Name. (Acts 15:14)
@KerimF The solution was to attract the Jews attention by miracles. So he cured the sicks and raised the dead... who, later, were all dead for good as all other humans. But no one can deny that, without his various great miracles, it would be very hard for his Apostles and First Disciples to sacrifce themeselves while preaching Jesus' message of Love so that it can be on my hands even after 2000 years.
@Brother Rando - Yet, how did the Jewish Religious Leaders respond?
- "Meanwhile, a large crowd of Jews got to know that he was there, and they came not only because of Jesus but also to see Lazʹa·rus, whom he had raised up from the dead. The chief priests now conspired to kill Lazʹa·rus also, since it was because of him that many of the Jews were going there and putting faith in Jesus."
- Then the chief priests and the elders of the people gathered in the courtyard of the high priest, who was named Caʹia·phas, and they conspired together to seize Jesus by cunning and to kill him. (Matthew 26:3-4)
Acts 5:30
The God of our forefathers raised up Jesus, whom you killed, hanging him on a stake.
1 Thessalonians 2:15
who even killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and persecuted us. Furthermore, they are not pleasing God, but are against the interests of all men,
Do you have any sight at all Blind One? Can you read that "The God" of our forefathers raised up Jesus?
Exodus 3:16
Now go, and gather the elders of Israel and say to them, ‘Jehovah the God of your forefathers has appeared to me, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and he said: “I have certainly taken notice of you and of what is being done to you in Egypt.
Exodus 6:3
And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God Almighty, but with regard to my name Jehovah I did not make myself known to them.
- Jehovah God Almighty
It's loving to remove those who hate God's Name... otherwise there could be no peace among the righteous and meek.
"For evil men will be done away with, But those hoping in Jehovah will possess the earth. Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more; You will look at where they were, And they will not be there. But the meek will possess the earth, And they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace." (Psalm 37:9-11)
- “You must not take up the Name of Jehovah your God in a worthless way, for Jehovah will not leave unpunished the one who takes up His Name in a worthless way.
- Taking God's Personal Name in Vain can be rendered two ways.....
- Cursing in his Name or disrespecting his Name - Vain can mean Lacking substance or worth.
This is your Personal Invitation... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iopulmj2bGU
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@Brother Rando Yes, I know sometimes the truth hurts but you need to know that the sin you are making causes death and hurts OUR CREATOR!
@KerimF If this is the case, I am doomed. I can’t follow the image of your Jehovah or any other Ruling God, because I can’t play even the role of a little master on anyone while Jehovah, like Allah, plays the Great Master on all humans.
Unfortunately, the God’s image which I perceive in my soul is of Love and nothing but Love. Why? God only know.
It is sad that I will miss you when I will be in Hell while you will be in the Paradise that Jehovah prepared, since before Creation, for His obedient JWs. (As Allah prepared a Paradise for his obedient Muslims.)
A human only is given the freedom to oppose or not his robotic nature. But, by opposing it, such a human becomes no more of this world.
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@KerimF If this is the case, I am doomed. I can’t follow the image of your Jehovah or any other Ruling God, because I can’t play even the role of a little master on anyone while Jehovah, like Allah, plays the Great Master on all humans.
Unfortunately, the God’s image which I perceive in my soul is of Love and nothing but Love. Why? God only know.
It is sad that I will miss you when I will be in Hell while you will be in the Paradise that Jehovah prepared, since before Creation, for His obedient JWs. (As Allah prepared a Paradise for his obedient Muslims.)
It's sad indeed. I supposed if I were to share God's truths with Saul before he became Paul , he may have responded in like manner. In his case, Jesus Christ intervened and persuaded Saul to humble himself to listen and obey. The scriptures do say:
1 Samuel 15:22
Samuel then said: “Does Jehovah take as much pleasure in burnt offerings and sacrifices as in obeying the voice of Jehovah? Look! To obey is better than a sacrifice, and to pay attention than the fat of rams;
If your were a Father, would you not want an obedient child. An Obedient Child would be Respectful and have Humility.
Matthew 21:28
- “What do you think? A man had two children. Going up to the first, he said, ‘Child, go work today in the vineyard.’
Matthew 21:29
- In answer this one said, ‘I will not,’ but afterward, he felt regret and went out.
Matthew 21:30
- Approaching the second, he said the same. This one replied, ‘I will, Sir,’ but did not go out.
Matthew 21:31
- Which of the two did the will of his father?” They said: “The first.” Jesus said to them: “Truly I say to you that the tax collectors and the prostitutes are going ahead of you into the Kingdom of God.
Since I am unable to persuade you, I would hope the words of our Lord and Savior would.
2 Peter 2:20
Certainly if after escaping from the defilements of the world by an accurate knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they get involved again with these very things and are overcome, their final state has become worse for them than the first.
1 John 5:1
Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born from God, and everyone who loves the one who caused to be born loves him who has been born from that one.
“Whoever listens to you listens to me. And whoever disregards you disregards me also. Moreover, whoever disregards me disregards also Him who sent me.” (Luke 10:16)
@KerimF I will miss you when I will be in Hell while you will be in the Paradise that Jehovah prepared, since before Creation, for His obedient JWs.
@Brother Rando No, I do not wish that for you. Anyways, there is no such thing as Hell. It's a Catholic Superstition that God will burn you for all eternity. (You told me you served a Loving God) If hell is eternal and inescapable then why do the dead come out of hell???
- “And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.” (Rev 20:13)
If you sin willingly there is no longer sacrifice for your sins, How can you lie about God and teach that he burns and torches humans for all eternity?
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@Brother Rando If your were a Father, would you not want an obedient child. An Obedient Child would be Respectful and have Humility.
@KerimF No, I just keep advising him while I don’t expect anything from him. This is how a real loving father does.
For instance, Muslims are told (as written on their Quran) that the beauty of life is in money and children. I can’t imagine how a human sees his children at the same level his sees his fortune. But I knew many men who were like such a father. After all, a human cannot be both, materialist and spiritual. I simply chose to be spiritual as my God is.
@Brother Rando No, I do not wish that for you. Anyways, there is no such thing as Hell. It's a Catholic Superstition that God will burn you for all eternity. (You told me you served a Loving God) If hell is eternal and inescapable then why do the dead come out of hell???
@KerimF Of course there is no torturing hell. It seems your forgot what I wrote about hell, as revealed by Jesus. And my Loving God doesn’t need my services, I just trust to no limit the One Loving Will that created me by seeing His Love in everything, even in my enemies and pain.
Anyway, it is good that you too, as I, know that only the Spirit of Love in one’s soul is eternal (with God). Anything else will return back to its raw state (the state before its existence), like we burn a tree which doesn’t bring good fruits, surely not to torture it. This is why a ruling god doesn’t exist in my life because imposed rules and true love cannot intersect.
A human only is given the freedom to oppose or not his robotic nature. But, by opposing it, such a human becomes no more of this world.
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Have you ever heard this before? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGrWvrGDOXg
Who Is God?
Coming to know God is the first step in developing a relationship with him. How do you do that?
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To you, God is the One whom you and millions of people around the world heard of.
To me, God is the One I perceive His presence in me while I don’t expect to meet a human who perceives God as I do.
Despite this difference, the good news is that each of us is happy with his God.
Isn't wonderful that also atheists, pagans, Jews, Muslims... etc. feel fine with their different images of God (the image is blank in case of atheists).
A human only is given the freedom to oppose or not his robotic nature. But, by opposing it, such a human becomes no more of this world.
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Since God can be applied to anyone or anything. What separates the True God from the other gods?
Answer: His Name
What Is God’s Name?
Did you know that God has a name that uniquely identifies him?
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@Brother Rando Did you know that God has a name that uniquely identifies him?
@KerimF You may be right.
I guess you know that Jesus didn’t give God a name.
He didn’t say: Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of .... (fill ... with the name you like).
He said:
“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.”
For instance, because Jesus says it this way very clearly, I had a solid logical reason to believe whatever He said about God and the Unifying Love.
But it seems that, based on your nature, God, the Supernatural Ruling King, should have a well-known name, as an earthly ruling king should have a name so that his subjects can glorify him using his exact name.
A human only is given the freedom to oppose or not his robotic nature. But, by opposing it, such a human becomes no more of this world.
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Thank you for responding.
@KerimF He said:
“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.”
Jesus never claimed God was a Ghost. "God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.” (John 4:24)
Catholic trinitarians falsely claim God is a Ghost... not Jesus.
- A key tellable sign that this was 100% Catholic liturgy is that it read in the name “of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost“
- Catholic Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger makes this confession as to the origin of the chief Trinity text of Matthew 28:19. “The basic form of our (Matthew 28:19 Trinitarian) profession of faith took shape during the course of the second and third centuries in connection with the ceremony of baptism. So far as its place of origin is concerned, the text (Matthew 28:19) came from the city of Rome.” — Joseph Ratzinger (Pope Benedict XVI) Introduction to Christianity: 1968 edition, pp. 82, 83.
- Catholic Catechism – “Into Christ. The Bible tells us that Christians were baptized into Christ (no. 6). They belong to Christ. The Acts of the Apostles (2:38; 8:16; 10:48; 19:5) tells us of baptizing “in the name (person) of Jesus.” — a better translation would be “into the name (person) of Jesus.” Only in the 4th Century did the formula “In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit” become customary.”
- The Catholic Encyclopedia, II, page 263: “The baptismal formula was changed from the Name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son, and Holy Spirit by the Catholic Church in the second century.”
How did the Followers of Jesus Christ Baptize new disciples? The first century Christians never baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost - Read the Scriptures:
- Peter said to them: “Repent, and let each one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the free gift of the holy spirit.” (Acts 2:38)
- “With that he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they requested him to stay for some days.” (Acts 10:48)
- “But when they believed Philip, who was declaring the good news of the Kingdom of God and of the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were getting baptized.” (Acts 8:12)
- “Or do you not know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?” (Romans 6:3)
- “On hearing this, they got baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.” (Acts 19:5)
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@Brother Rando Jesus never claimed God was a Ghost. "God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.” (John 4:24)
@KerimF As I used to mention, I have no sacred words... I don’t worship any holy word.
For example, did you hear me referring to the 'Divine Spirit of Love' that unifies my Father in Heaven and Jesus by the expression 'Holy Ghost'? After all, Spirit and Ghost are man-made words. What important is that how one perceive/understand them in mind. To me, these two words refer to the same idea in mind.
Another example, you keep mentioning the word God and I do the same. But, in mind, we see the word 'God' referring to different entities.
In brief, I understand that you have to follow ‘your’ scriptures as pagans, Jews, Muslims and formal Christians are supposed to do. I meant by one’s scriptures, the version of scriptures that are approved by the today's representatives of his God on earth.
Since I have no religious masters (representatives of my God in the world), my relationship with my God is direct.
Surely, it is not a crime if one cannot have a direct relationship with his God, so that the world loves him for his submission to certain worldly masters (as the ones of the JWs, for example).
A human only is given the freedom to oppose or not his robotic nature. But, by opposing it, such a human becomes no more of this world.
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@KerimF Surely, it is not a crime if one cannot have a direct relationship with his God, so that the world loves him for his submission to certain worldly masters (as the ones of the JWs, for example).
No but people who claim they want to serve tend tend serve in vain accepting foreign doctrine made by man. For example who worship Holy Ghost - therefore God is a Ghost. These same ones have no problem dressing up as goblins, witches, and even Satan and yet claim to serve God. The message portrayed is God is like other gods which is a lie. Then observers often comment "there is no god" It's God dishonoring and it does matter to God. We don not have the right to serve God as we see fit. Rather God has the right to be serve in the manner he chooses and Jesus told us how but you have been rejecting his personal teachings.
- Think about it - "God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth." (john 2:24)
- It's very simple and yet you refuse to Worship with spirit in truth.
- Before One of Jehovah's Witness showed you God's Name you never knew nor used it.
I serve Jehovah the way he wants too.... you well KNOW the Catholics do not Worship Jehovah...
- They worship statues of wood and stone. That's not spirit and truth. Gargoyles is not the truth.
- You cannot be drinking the cup of Jehovah and the cup of demons; you cannot be partaking of “the table of Jehovah” and the table of demons. (1 Corinthians 10:21)
What Is God Like?
What are God’s foremost qualities and attributes?
How do we benefit from God’s wisdom? The Creator knows what we need to be happy. Drawing from his vast knowledge and understanding, he provides wise counsel in his Word, the Bible. For example, it urges: “Continue . . . forgiving one another freely.” (Colossians 3:13) Is that wise counsel? Yes. Research has found that being forgiving can improve one’s sleep and lower one’s blood pressure. It may also reduce the risk of depression and other health issues. God is like a wise, caring friend who never ceases to give us helpful and beneficial advice. (2 Timothy 3:16, 17) Would you not want to have such a friend?
Jehovah God will teach you how to benefit yourself and others as well.
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@KerimF Day after day, you can’t get that we don’t understand many words in the same way.
You have a doctrine (of JWs, right?) that defines for you how to understand every word in the Bible.
But I am a rational realistic man (besides being spiritual in the first place).
I am rational because I understand words based on my logic (the same logic I use in solving my scientific problems in my designs).
I am realistic because I understand words the way they fit my personal nature only (not of anyone else).
Do you think you may ignore your actual doctrine, anytime? I don’t think you will.
Do you think I may deny what I perceive and know, anytime? I will never do it though no one can accuse me of treason if I will, because I don’t belong to any formal group (or doctrine as in your case).
For instance, I live, since many decades ago, the Unconditional Love towards all others, good and evil. Naturally, since then, my sleep has been improved (I can no more have nightmares :( ) and my blood pressure had no reason to increase more than normal. This has also reduced the risk of depression and other health issues. This is why I know that I am on the right path/way. But this is just me. I don't think the way, I live, is suitable for most humans around the world.
A human only is given the freedom to oppose or not his robotic nature. But, by opposing it, such a human becomes no more of this world.
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@KerimF Day after day, you can’t get that we don’t understand many words in the same way.
@Brother Rando That is why we need to come to understand what they mean. Remember the word (hate) and you thought God hates those whom will not follow his rules. But the word (hate) actually means (love less).
- Only a person whom refuses to Listen and Follow what God asks, Hate God,
- Love motivates only those who Love God to listen and follow his direction.
- The meaning of Words change over time in which we live in. Example, if someone today says 'that man is gay'. Most people would call that bigotry. Because they would apply the word (gay) to the man's sexual preference. However, 50 years ago, they would understand that to mean 'that the man is happy'.
If there wasn't someone to show you the meaning of a scripture you will not know what they mean. And the foundation you built your house on is quicksand. Everything will be lost. The more effort, money, and resources you put in it will simply be lost. I'm trying to save you the headache. (Read Acts 8:31)
- This is what Jehovah says, your Repurchaser, the Holy One of Israel: “I, Jehovah, am your God, The One teaching you to benefit yourself, The One guiding you in the way you should walk. (Isaiah 48:17)
@KerimF You have a doctrine (of JWs, right?) that defines for you how to understand every word in the Bible.
@Brother Rando - No. Jehovah Witnesses do not have a doctrine. Our authority is the Bible. Through a Bible Study you can find answers to all of your questions. We have no Creeds. All our Bible Beliefs are found in the Bible. We follow God's Word and teachings as close as possible.
- By giving this counsel to the brothers, you will be a fine minister of Christ Jesus, one nourished with the words of the faith and of the fine teaching that you have followed closely. (1 Timothy 4:6)
@KerimF But I am a rational realistic man (besides being spiritual in the first place).
@Brother Rando - Yes. I believe you are.
@KerimF I am rational because I understand words based on my logic (the same logic I use in solving my scientific problems in my designs).
@Brother Rando - Yes. I also have the same thought. Matter of fact, since a number of scientist are atheists, we share logical, reasonable Biblical information, that science actually backs up the Bible.
- There is One who dwells above the circle of the earth, (Isaiah 40:22)
- He stretches out the northern sky over empty space, Suspending the earth upon nothing; (Job 26:7)
- Take a look at some of these colorful videos - https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/categories/VODBibleCreation
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Was Life Created?
BOOKS & BROCHURES
The Origin of Life—Five Questions Worth Asking
AWAKE!
Your Cells—Living Libraries!
@KerimF I am realistic because I understand words the way they fit my personal nature only (not of anyone else).
@Brother Rando Yes, we apply the scriptures to ourselves and apply them personally, not pointing fingers to others. Each one alone must stand before Jehovah. However, we do seek understanding of teachings and words and obey God by listening to His Son, Jesus Christ. We also show love for our neighbor to share what we are learning. What they do with what they learned is up to them. We do not serve God because we have too but rather because we 'want to' out of love for him.
- Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah, and you must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind and with your whole strength.’ (Mark 12:29-30)
- The second is this, ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.” (Mark 12:31)
@KerimF Do you think you may ignore your actual doctrine, anytime? I don’t think you will.
Do you think I may deny what I perceive and know, anytime? I will never do it though no one can accuse me of treason if I will, because I don’t belong to any formal group (or doctrine as in your case).
@Brother Rando - We do not have doctrines nor rules as you put them. We willing serve Jehovah God and listen to his Son Jesus Christ out of love. Why? Because we want too. You have Nothing to lose and Everything to Gain!
- Finally, brothers, continue to rejoice, to be readjusted, to be comforted, to think in agreement, to live peaceably; and the God of love and of peace will be with you. (2 Corinthians 13:11)
- Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous. It does not brag, does not get puffed up, does not behave indecently, does not look for its own interests, does not become provoked. It does not keep account of the injury. It does not rejoice over unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth. It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never fails. (1 Corinthians 13:4-8)
- I'm not asking you to ignore what you believe, but rather to add to it and to continue your Bible Study.
@KerimF For instance, I live, since many decades ago, the Unconditional Love towards all others, good and evil. Naturally, since then, my sleep has been improved (I can no more have nightmares :( ) and my blood pressure had no reason to increase more than normal. This has also reduced the risk of depression and other health issues. This is why I know that I am on the right path/way. But this is just me. I don't think the way, I live, is suitable for most humans around the world.
@Brother Rando - We are a lot alike. It's call "Peace of Mind" and it's worth more than Gold. "However, we have this treasure in earthen vessels, so that the power beyond what is normal may be God’s and not from us." (2 Corinthians 4:7)
Jehovah God is Our Creator and it's only right you give him thanks and hallow His Name.
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I used to thank my Heavenly Father and Jesus for giving me the chance to accept in my soul their unifying Spirit of Love, the Holy Spirit, and to join them by also living their Love on earth as it is in Heaven.
A human only is given the freedom to oppose or not his robotic nature. But, by opposing it, such a human becomes no more of this world.
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What Has God Done?
You may be surprised to know what God has done to ensure a bright future for mankind.
If you want to get to know someone well, it is helpful if you learn what he has accomplished and the challenges he has overcome. Similarly, if you want to know God well, you need to learn what he has done. As you do, you may be surprised to discover how much of what he did in the past benefits us now and involves our future.
WHAT HAS GOD DONE? Jehovah created humans to live forever on the earth. He provided the Bible so that we could learn about him. Through Jesus Christ, Jehovah provided the ransom, thus ensuring that his purpose will be realized
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Earth is just a planet among millions ones which are surfing, each for a period of time, in the created huge universe. Earth is another mortal planet which, like all other planets, will reach someday its end of service (when it will not exist anymore the way it does now).
What do humans need to know from their Creator?
Are they supposed to learn that their planet, Earth, is eternal as the Heavenly spirits are?
Are they supposed to learn how to be a ruler, as Jehovah in the Bible, looking to be serviced?
Are they supposed to learn that the notion of ransom also exists in Heaven as it does on earth?
What I learnt from Jesus is that my bright future is not on earth but in Heaven, as Jesus is not of this world.
Jesus, as I, was not guided by the human's instincts of survival, superiority, selfishness and imposing rules on others... to name a few.
So far, I see Jehovah's purpose just things related to the material world... like the bright future on earth.
My treasure is in my soul not on earth.
A human only is given the freedom to oppose or not his robotic nature. But, by opposing it, such a human becomes no more of this world.
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@KerimF What do humans need to know from their Creator?
@Brother Rando - Here are a few reasons:
- Praise Jah! It is good to sing praises to our God; How pleasant and fitting it is to praise him! (Psalm 147:1)
- He heals the brokenhearted; He binds up their wounds. (Psalm 147:3)
- throw all your anxiety on him, because he cares for you. (1 Peter 5:7)
Getting to know Our Creator builds a strong relationship
- First thing we want to know when we meet someone we like is (What is Your Name?)
- What are your likes and dislikes?
- Studying Creation helps us learn about Jehovah.
@KerimF So far, I see Jehovah's purpose just things related to the material world... like the bright future on earth.
- For this is what Jehovah says, The Creator of the heavens, the true God, The One who formed the earth, its Maker who firmly established it, Who did not create it simply for nothing, but formed it to be inhabited: “I am Jehovah, and there is no one else. (Isaiah 45:18)
- The wolf and the lamb will feed together, The lion will eat straw just like the bull, And the serpent’s food will be dust. They will do no harm nor cause any ruin in all my holy mountain,” says Jehovah. (Isaiah 65:25)
- Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out (John 5:28)
Can the Dead Really Live Again?
