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  • KerimF
    KerimF Posts: 56

    If I didn't know what will happen to me after the death of my mortal living flesh, all what you heard from me would be of no value to me in the least. In fact, it was the first crucial question that I, when I was much younger, had to know its logical answer.

    To me in the least, my birth in the time-space realm happened without my will. In other words, I exist in a realm defined by time and space because of a certain Will beyond mine. Naturally, before this existence I had no will as the one I have now.

    Based on logic, I will lose my actual 'will' and perception of the time-space realm after the death of my flesh.

    Will my loss of my flesh's 'will', and perception... happen in my life just once... at death?

    Of course not, this happens to me every time I am in a deep sleep.

    But, under certain conditions, my living flesh is preprogrammed, also beyond my will, to return me from the temporary death (sleep) back to the time-space realm. In other words, every wake up is much like a new birth (if I die while I sleep, I will not know I died).

    So, the Will that created me let me be/live, temporarily, in the state of my flesh's death (by losing my will and all worldly perception) many times before its final death.

    My deep sleep is just an échantillon (French word) of my death.

    So, to know what will happen after the final death of my body, I just need to examine properly what will happen to me after a deep sleep.

    Before I wake up (before the preprogrammed birth that let me back to time-space existence), I may find myself born, also without my will, in a realm which is not defined by time or space. In other words, I find myself existing in a dream which could also be seen as an échantillon of a new realm (not defined by time and space)

    So, I personally know that the ‘Will’ that created me let me perceive two different realms which humans used to call ‘Life’ and ‘Dream’. And my existence in either one starts without my will. And I cannot exist in both simultaneously.

    Based on logic, what happens even once can happen again. So even if my living flesh dies (be in its last deep sleep), the ‘Will’ that let me exist in these two realms, life and dream, can let me exist again, always beyond my will, in a dream-like realm. The only difference is that my given last dream will be eternal since my dead body won’t wake up to end it, as it is the case while it was alive.

    This leads me to the final question: ‘How will my existence in my last dream be?

    It will be much like my existence in my temporary dreams. In them, I just see myself the way I chose to live with others. So, no matter how they were, I see them with me in the same way my heart and will were with them.

    Conclusion:

    I try my best to live in a way that let my last dream be as joyful as possible. So, nothing in the world can prevent me live the Unconditional Love/Care towards all others, good and evil.

    The consequence is that it became impossible for me to live a nightmare.

    A human only is given the freedom to oppose or not his robotic nature. But, by opposing it, such a human becomes no more of this world.

  • Brother Rando
    Brother Rando Posts: 1,471

    Here are some scriptures that helped me gain 'peace of mind'.

    •  For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, (Ecc 9:5)
    • In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.” (Genesis 3:19)
    • All are going to the same place. They all come from the dust, and they all are returning to the dust. (Ecc 3:20)

    Who Goes to Hell?

    The Bible’s answer

     Hell (“Sheol” and “Hades” in the Bible’s original languages) is simply the grave, not a place of fiery torment. Who go to hell? Both good people and bad people. (Job 14:13; Psalm 9:​17) The Bible says that this common grave of mankind is “the house of meeting for everyone living.”​—Job 30:23.

     Even Jesus went to hell when he died. However, “he was not kept in hell,” because God resurrected him.​—Acts 2:​31, 32The Bible in Basic English.

    Is hell eternal?

     All those who go to hell will come back out, brought to life by Jesus through God’s power. (John 5:​28, 29; Acts 24:15) Speaking of that future resurrection, the prophecy at Revelation 20:13 says that “death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them.” (King James Version) Once hell has been emptied, it will no longer exist; no one will ever go there again because “death will be no more.”​—Revelation 21:​3, 4; 20:14.

    Hope these Bible truths help you as much as they helped me.~ JW.org

    Thankful for Google transliterates יהוה in English as Jehovah. Visit JW.org about whom Jesus Christ calls the Only True God in (John 17:3)

  • KerimF
    KerimF Posts: 56

    It happens that I never feared death. And, as the best moment, after a hard day, is when I am in bed to sleep, my best moment in my life is when I am going to die and sleep for good.

    In case the 'Will' that created me will let me exist again in an eternal dream-like realm (God's Kingdom), I did the necessary preparation on earth to make it joyful.

    A human only is given the freedom to oppose or not his robotic nature. But, by opposing it, such a human becomes no more of this world.

  • Brother Rando
    Brother Rando Posts: 1,471
    edited February 13

    @KerimF In case the 'Will' that created me will let me exist again in an eternal dream-like realm (God's Kingdom), I did the necessary preparation on earth to make it joyful.

    @Brother Rando - That's an interesting thought. However Jesus never talked about the "Will" being His Father. 

    • "This is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose none out of all those whom he has given me, but that I should resurrect them on the last day.   For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who recognizes the Son and exercises faith in him should have everlasting life, and I will resurrect him on the last day.” (John 6:39-40)
    •  It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by Jehovah.’ Everyone who has listened to the Father and has learned comes to Me." (John 6:45)

    I've learned that trinitarians, modalists, incarnations do not believe in the Resurrection, Therefore they deny the one whom God sent. Their false theology is as follows:

    • Jesus is God
    • Jesus has No Father since Jesus is God
    • The death of Jesus was a ruse because he is God.
    • They deny that God resurrected Jesus because they falsely claim Jesus is God.

    So you can see they teach doctrines that have been made by man. Jesus stated, "It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by Jehovah.’ Everyone who has listened to the Father and has learned comes to Me.'" (John 6:45)

    The Last Day is soon upon us. Most Religions reject this and hope it never comes. It's against such atrocities that I hope to help the eyes of the unbelievers. Image welcoming back dead loved ones. Not only people will love one another but the animals too will be at peace.

    So a question should come to mind. If a Resurrection is coming, then where will all those people come from?

    Here's a hint: Resurrection

    The Greek word a·naʹsta·sis literally means “raising up; standing up.” It is used frequently in the Christian Greek Scriptures with reference to the resurrection of the dead. The Hebrew Scriptures at Hosea 13:14, quoted by the apostle Paul (1Co 15:54, 55), speak of the abolition of death and the rendering powerless of Sheol (Heb., sheʼohlʹ; Gr., haiʹdes). Sheʼohlʹ is rendered in various versions as “grave” and “pit.” The dead are spoken of as going there. (Ge 37:35; 1Ki 2:6; Ec 9:10) Its usage in the Scriptures, along with the usage of its Greek equivalent haiʹdes in the Christian Greek Scriptures, shows that it refers, not to an individual grave, but to the common grave of mankind, gravedom. (Eze 32:21-32; Re 20:13; see HADES; SHEOL.) To render Sheol powerless would mean to loosen its hold on those in it, which would imply the emptying of gravedom. This, of course, would require a resurrection, a raising up from the lifeless condition of death or out of the grave for those there.

    “And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.” (Rev 20:13)

    Hell

    A word used in the King James Version (as well as in the Catholic Douay Version and most older translations) to translate the Hebrew sheʼohlʹ and the Greek haiʹdes. In the King James Version the word “hell” is rendered from sheʼohlʹ 31 times and from haiʹdes 10 times. This version is not consistent, however, since sheʼohlʹ is also translated 31 times “grave” and 3 times “pit.” In the Douay Version sheʼohlʹ is rendered “hell” 64 times, “pit” once, and “death” once.

    Thankful for Google transliterates יהוה in English as Jehovah. Visit JW.org about whom Jesus Christ calls the Only True God in (John 17:3)

  • KerimF
    KerimF Posts: 56

    In the past, the miracles of Jesus, mainly the most important one which was the Resurrection of His Body, were very important for the Apostles and His First Disciples whose mission was to preach His sayings though they oppose the interests of the powerful rich ruling families. They fulfilled their mission till their last breath while the world was persecuting them.

    Now, things are different. Without witnessing any miracle, I personally knew that Jesus is a Divine Being (not just a man). Even after 2000 years (in these days), the crucial truths, He revealed (and are mentioned on the today's Gospel), cannot be repeated by someone, via satellites and as clear as Jesus did, without risking very bad consequences, he and everyone who helped him to do it.

    Here is an example:

    "Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist:"


    Jesus is very clear here that there is no Jewish Prophet who was greater than John the Baptist. We all know that the importance of a man is in what he does/ accomplishes.

    What was the mission of John the Baptist? It was to prepare the Jewish people for the arrival of Jesus among them. This means that the greatest mission of all previous Prophets was also to prepare the chosen Jewish people for the arrival of Jesus among them.

    Then, Jesus arrived among Jews and the mission of all Jewish Prophets was fulfilled. And the real Judaism, whose teachings are related solely to the human's preprogrammed instincts, became a thing of the past after the arrival of Jesus whose message focuses solely on God's Love in Heaven and how to be lived on earth.

    But as Pagans still exist in various forms (Islam is one of them), Jews and the like can also exist to the end of time. And the today's Jews, as their primitive ancestors did, have to keep waiting for the Great Worldly King who, with them, will reign the mortal planet, Earth.

    Atheists, Pagans and Jews (and the like) around the world are all fortunate. The world gives them the legitimate right to commit any crime under the pretext of self-defense, mainly if they serve the interests of the most powerful richest political group. The latter master group is also fortunate because rare people on earth (real Christians) who refuse to commit any crime in exchange for all treasures in the world, even their life.

    But nothing can stop a politician who is actually an atheist, a Pagan, a Jew or a Muslim to claim being a Christian as it is the case in the so-called Christian nations. The reason, for which a Christian politician is a deceiver for sure, is that he knew in advance that, in his job, he has no right to love enemies, refuse to resist evil and be a free sincere person, as a real Christian is.

    A human only is given the freedom to oppose or not his robotic nature. But, by opposing it, such a human becomes no more of this world.

  • Brother Rando
    Brother Rando Posts: 1,471
    edited February 14

    @KerimF In the past, the miracles of Jesus, mainly the most important one which was the Resurrection of His Body, were very important for the Apostles and His First Disciples whose mission was to preach His sayings though they oppose the interests of the powerful rich ruling families. They fulfilled their mission till their last breath while the world was persecuting them.

    It's obvious you have no relationship with Jesus at all.... His Body was not Resurrected at all. Second you claimed Jesus was God (incarnated) - if true Resurrecting Jesus from the DEAD would not be necessary. You're full of religious wormwood.

    •  But they found the stone rolled away from the tomb, and when they entered, they did not find the Body of the Lord Jesus. (Luke 24:2-3)
    •  After saying this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not realize that it was Jesus. 15  Jesus said to her: “Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you looking for?” She, thinking it was the gardener, said to him: “Sir, if you have carried him off, tell me where you have laid him, and I will take him away.” 16  Jesus said to her: “Mary!” On turning around, she said to him in Hebrew: “Rab·boʹni!” (which means “Teacher!”) 17  Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father and to My God and your God.’” (John 20:14-17)

    The man standing there was Jesus Christ, yet Mary Magdalene thought he was the gardener. She went there to dress and tend to his wounds on his Body but his Body was not there. And further more - he had no wounds to dress. Jesus told her to go to My Brothers. Does God have Brothers???

    If Jesus is God, notice after His Resurrection, he told Mary ‘I am ascending to My Father and Your Father and to My God and Your God.’” (John 20:14-17)

    Obviously, you don't even believe in Jesus Words.

    • As they continued eating, Jesus took a loaf, and after saying a blessing, he broke it, and giving it to the disciples, he said: “Take, eat. This means my body.” (Mathew 26:26)
    • For Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit. (1 Peter 3:18)
    • For the love the Christ has compels us, because this is what we have concluded, that one man died for all; so, then, all had died. (2 Corinthians 5:14)
    • By this “will” we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all time. (Hebrews 10:10)
    • For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, (1 Timothy 2:5)

    Maybe you should open up a Bible once in awhile, instead of learning man-made doctrines that get you to deny that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God. (Matthew 16:16) Trinitarians, Modalists, and Incarnationists all reject this scripture because it does not align with their doctrines. What is a Stepping Stone to me has become a Stumbling Block to you.

    Luke 6:46

    “Why, then, do you call me ‘Lord! Lord!’ but do not do the things I say?

    Matthew 7:21

    “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will.

    Thankful for Google transliterates יהוה in English as Jehovah. Visit JW.org about whom Jesus Christ calls the Only True God in (John 17:3)

  • KerimF
    KerimF Posts: 56

    Sorry, you keep telling me that I follow a doctrine.

    I challenge you :) to find for me just one person in the world who agrees with me on half of what I tell you here.

    As you know, a real doctrine has many believers, if not millions. And a doctrine can never be seen just in one man, as I, Kerim.

     

    On the other hand, it seems you follow a formal doctrine, known as of JW, because millions in the world agree with you on what you keep telling me.

     

    After all, a rational realistic man, as I, cannot, even if he wants to, to follow blindly a faith, belief or doctrine, said religious or political.

    In brief, I am free and independent for having The Knowledge (the Light), thanks to Jesus. And your life is comfortable for knowing how to please some Honorable Masters.

    A human only is given the freedom to oppose or not his robotic nature. But, by opposing it, such a human becomes no more of this world.

  • Brother Rando
    Brother Rando Posts: 1,471
    edited February 14

    @KerimF After all, a rational realistic man, as I, cannot, even if he wants to, to follow blindly a faith, belief or doctrine, said religious or political.

    @Brother Rando And yet that is the doctrine you blindly follow.

    These Pagan Doctrines are followed blindly by over 3 Billion People.

    • trinitarians
    • modalists
    • incarnationists

    All 3 have a common thread, the one you are trying to falsely introduce into scripture. Here's what the change of scripture you teach and blindly follow.

    When God reached the age of twelve years, God got lost. God's Parents were concerned for God's whereabouts and became frightened and scared. Therefore, God's Parents went back to Jerusalem to look for God. Looking and searching to and fro and finally thinking maybe God is at the temple. Ahhhhh... God's Parent found God but God's Mother was upset and said God, why have you done this to us? And God said, didn't you know I would be in God's House?

    Matthew 7:21

    “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will.

    Jesus Christ stated, if they don't listen to you, they won't listen to me.


    What Will God Do?

    Learn what conditions will prevail under God’s righteous government.

    If you were in difficulty, you would no doubt expect a good friend to do something to help you. With that in mind, some say that God is not a friend because they feel God is not doing anything in their behalf. In reality, not only has God already done many things for our benefit but he will also take action to deal with all the problems and suffering we face today. What will God do?

    Jehovah God will soon take action through his Son, Jesus Christ, to “bring to nothing the one having the means to cause death, that is, the Devil.” (Hebrews 2:14; 1 John 3:8) In fact, the Bible shows that the Devil himself knows that “he has a short period of time” before his destruction. (Revelation 12:12) God will also do away with all who cause wickedness.​—Psalm 37:9; Proverbs 2:22.

    Thankful for Google transliterates יהוה in English as Jehovah. Visit JW.org about whom Jesus Christ calls the Only True God in (John 17:3)

  • KerimF
    KerimF Posts: 56

    @Brother Rando And yet that is the doctrine you blindly follow.

    Yes, I used to hear this doctrine a lot because it is the doctrine which is approved and supported by the Owners of the today's most powerful nation who claim being Christian.

    So, it seems you couldn't understand anything I wrote you about me. Please don't worry, it happens in best families

    If someone will ask you:

    How does Kerim describe the image of his God?

    Does Kerim say that 'Sin' is a parent of a 'Son of Sin', so the Heavenly Father has to be a parent of Jesus, 'Son of God'?

    Does Kerim say that Jesus came to save him from his ignorance or sins?

    A human only is given the freedom to oppose or not his robotic nature. But, by opposing it, such a human becomes no more of this world.

  • Brother Rando
    Brother Rando Posts: 1,471
    edited February 15

    I wish no ill will or harm. Rather I want peace for you and your family. However you seem that the doctrine you discovered outside the scriptures are scriptural - they are not.

    Billions adhere to your doctrine that Jesus is God. That phrase is completely absent. That very doctrine is preached throughout the earth leading people away from Jesus who is the Christ, the Son of the living God. (Matthew 16:16)

    You will not find the teaching in NONE of their doctrines.

    • trinitarians
    • modalists
    • incarnationists

    Even though you deny this, it's because you have a lack of understanding that is leading you to death, but they all falsely teach Jesus is God. When I shared a scripture of salvation with you, You out rightly rejected it, following the Billions before you. Your Personal doctrine is not new, it's the road that is broad and spacious. Rejecting Christ does not lead to salvation. Religion will soon be destroyed.

    “Go in through the narrow gate, because broad is the gate and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are going in through it;" (Matthew 7:13)

    So let's break down the Scripture you have rejected and continue to reject.

    For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved. (Roams 10:9)

    • if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord

    You never publicly declare Jesus is Lord...

    • exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead

    You never excised faith in your heart that God raised Jesus up from the dead

    Your Personal Doctrine is the same as the others who publicly reject Jesus as the Christ, the Son of the living God.

    • trinitarians
    • modalists
    • incarnationists

    All of these are cut from the same cloth. Non-Christian.

    @KerimF Yes, I used to hear this doctrine a lot because it is the doctrine which is approved and supported by the Owners of the today's most powerful nation who claim being Christian.

    It's called Christendom which is False Christianity, they worship the Goddess of Fertility (Eastre) and Saturnalia (Christmas). Also this scripture describes the Billions who share your Personal Doctrine.

    • For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those not acknowledging Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the Deceiver and the Antichrist. (2 John 1:7)

    Thankful for Google transliterates יהוה in English as Jehovah. Visit JW.org about whom Jesus Christ calls the Only True God in (John 17:3)

  • KerimF
    KerimF Posts: 56

    @Brother Rando However you seem that the doctrine you discovered outside the scriptures are scriptural - they are not.

    @KerimF You are totally right. What I know is not scriptural. I have no sacred words (books or else), but ideas, scientific and spiritual, which are useful to me in the least. They are not necessarily useful to anyone else (including you).

    @Brother Rando Billions adhere to your doctrine that Jesus is God.

    @KerimF What I know is that Jesus only (no one else... Prophets, Apostles, Disciples, Saints... any man) was able to give me the logical answers to all my crucial questions about life (my existence and how the material world is designed). This is enough for me to be sure that Jesus has all knowledge of the Will/Power that created me (besides the huge universe). Does this make Jesus alone be God? It does if, only if, his message was about selfishness. In this case, he alone would be 'The Selfish God' (not mine anyway).

    But His message was about Love, so there must be Two Beings of the same nature, in the least, in order for a mutual real Love to exist. In other words, Jesus alone is not God. Also, the other Being alone is not God. Their Unified Will is God. And two beings only cannot have ‘one will’. But Jesus and the other Being were able to be unified and have one Will/Power because of the existence of what we may call ‘The Divine Spirit of Love’ (somehow equivalent to the ‘spirit of friendship’ on earth).

    In brief, Jesus alone or the Father alone cannot be God, unless one believes that his God’s image is about selfishness.

    Actually, Jesus and the Father, Each represents fully the One God’s Will of Love (thanks the Holy Spirit). And it is normal to see Jesus as being the Son of (coming from) the Living God (the Living Unified Will).

    For instance, it is very hard for a kid to get that Ford’s cars are not made just by one man called ‘Ford’. He has to wait till he will be adult to know that Ford’s cars are the fruit of the One Will of all members in Ford’s company.

    Similarly, in these days, if one insists to be like the kids of humanity who lived before the arrival of Jesus, he has no choice but to see his Creator as a One-Of-His-Kind Being and the word 'Love' as a synonym of 'Obedience and Praise'.

     

    I am afraid that only the spirit of Love in one’s soul, on earth as it is in Heaven, is eternal, anything else in his life will return back to its raw state... you call it death.

     

    Please remember when you reply that “What I know is not scriptural”. Similarly, my scientific knowledge is about ideas not words (though sometimes I had to add new words/acronyms to refer to my innovative solutions).

     

    In any case, I hope you are on the right path/way to eternity with Jehovah. 

    A human only is given the freedom to oppose or not his robotic nature. But, by opposing it, such a human becomes no more of this world.

  • Brother Rando
    Brother Rando Posts: 1,471

    @KerimF But His message was about Love, so there must be Two Beings of the same nature, in the least, in order for a mutual real Love to exist. In other words, Jesus alone is not God. Also, the other Being alone is not God. Their Unified Will is God. And two beings only cannot have ‘one will’. But Jesus and the other Being were able to be unified and have one Will/Power because of the existence of what we may call ‘The Divine Spirit of Love’ (somehow equivalent to the ‘spirit of friendship’ on earth).

    @Brother Rando - The Scriptures are clear about who the True God is:

    1 Kings 18:39

    When all the people saw it, they immediately fell facedown and said: “Jehovah is the true God! Jehovah is the true God!”

    1 Kings 8:60

    so that all the peoples of the earth may know that Jehovah is the true God. There is no other!

    Joshua 22:34

    So the Reuʹben·ites and the Gadʹites named the altar, because “it is a witness between us that Jehovah is the true God.”

    Deuteronomy 4:39

    Know, therefore, on this day, and take it to heart that Jehovah is the true God in the heavens above and on the earth beneath. There is no other.

    Deuteronomy 4:35

    You yourselves have been shown these things so you will know that Jehovah is the true God; there is no other besides him.


    What Can Knowing God Mean for You?

    What blessings await those who develop a personal relationship with God?

    Jehovah promises that “if you search for him, he will let himself be found by you.” (1 Chronicles 28:9) Imagine the precious gift that awaits you as you search and come to know God​—a “close friendship with Jehovah”! (Psalm 25:14) What can such a friendship mean for you?

    All the Best.

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  • KerimF
    KerimF Posts: 56

    Sorry, I, unlike you, cannot see God as Allah... no matter what his name is.

    I see my God in spirit and spirits, unlike humans, have no names. But this doesn't prevent humans to give names to spirits in God's Realm.

    But it is good that you and Jehovah are friends.

    I just trust to no limit the Loving Will/Power that created me in whoever and whatever around me in the material world. This is not easy at all to do it. So, I am glad that my flesh is mortal while I wish it will die before I fail and return back to its robotic nature (be of the world like all other living things are).

    A human only is given the freedom to oppose or not his robotic nature. But, by opposing it, such a human becomes no more of this world.

  • Brother Rando
    Brother Rando Posts: 1,471
    edited February 21

    @KerimF Sorry, I, unlike you, cannot see God as Allah... no matter what his name is.

    I see my God in spirit and spirits, unlike humans, have no names. But this doesn't prevent humans to give names to spirits in God's Realm.

    @Brother Rando - Thank you for your response. I believe everyone should know God as God because there is no other. To know God exists from a distance does not beget salvation. Their death is like the death of animals.

    • for there is an outcome for humans and an outcome for animals; they all have the same outcome. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit. So man has no superiority over animals, for everything is futile. Ecclesiastes 3:19

    It doesn't have to end this way for you. There was a time when Jehovah did not allow humans to know his Name. "And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God Almighty, but with regard to my name Jehovah I did not make myself known to  them. (Exodus 6:3)

    However, there came a time when Jehovah wanted humans to know His Name and to hallow His Name. He want His Name to be Sanctified and treated with Respect. Matter of fact, anyone saying His Name in Vain or disrespecting His Name or hold His Name as little worth or not worthy at all would not be allowed to keep on living. Your definitely in this latter category along with those who disrespect him and profane His Holy and Sacred Name.

    • Jesus will do His Father's (Will) and there is not going to be any bargaining.

    Ezekiel 39:7

    I will make my holy name known among my people Israel, and I will not allow My Holy Name to be profaned any longer; and the nations will have to know that I am Jehovah, the Holy One in Israel.

    John 17:26

    I have made your name known to them and will make it known, so that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them.”

    Ezekiel 20:9

    But I acted for the sake of My Name so that it would not be profaned before the nations among whom they were living. For I made myself known to them before these nations when I brought them out of the land of Egypt.

    Jeremiah 16:21

    “So I will make them know, At this time I will make them know my power and my might, And they will have to know that my name is Jehovah.”

    Either way, You will know God's Holy Name JEHOVAH. Either way, in everlasting life or everlasting death.

    Deuteronomy 30:19

    I take the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you today that I have put life and death before you, the blessing and the curse; and you must choose life so that you may live, you and your descendants,

    Jeremiah 21:8

    “And to this people you should say, ‘This is what Jehovah says: “Here I am putting before you the way of life and the way of death.

    Thankful for Google transliterates יהוה in English as Jehovah. Visit JW.org about whom Jesus Christ calls the Only True God in (John 17:3)

  • KerimF
    KerimF Posts: 56

    @Brother Rando - However, there came a time when Jehovah wanted humans to know His Name and to hallow His Name. He want His Name to be Sanctified and treated with Respect. Matter of fact, anyone saying His Name in Vain or disrespecting His Name or hold His Name as little worth or not worthy at all would not be allowed to keep on living. Your definitely in this latter category along with those who disrespect him and profane His Holy and Sacred Name.

    @KerimF I am afraid that, in reality, this also applies to Pagans, Jews, Muslims and formal Christians towards their God's names respectively, instead of Jehovah.

    So, for Muslims, the name is ‘Allah’. For the formal Christians, the name is ‘Jesus’. For JWs, the name is ‘Jehovah’. I am not sure about the right name to be used by Jews and by each today’s known Pagans.

    Sorry, this sounds to me as magic. “Praise the name of your God, you will be saved”. But the most important thing, for this magic to work, is to know/use the right name.

    On the Gospel, Jesus didn’t bring magic, but the knowledge on how to be saved by accepting the Holy Spirit in one’s soul to show him how to live the unconditional Love/Care towards all others, good and evil, on earth as in Heaven. This is why Jesus added very clearly:

    “Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.”


    For instance, an animal is not supposed to accept the Holy Spirit of Love in it. It is supposed to execute its preprogrammed instincts only. But a human is given also the freedom to act like animals do, by not opposing his preprogrammed instincts in all situations he may face in his life. And one of his instincts, preprogrammed by his Creator, is to gather with many other humans to praise the name of an earthly king/leader and/or of a God.

    A human only is given the freedom to oppose or not his robotic nature. But, by opposing it, such a human becomes no more of this world.

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