Days of Creation: Seven Days or Seven Thousand Years?

C McC Mc Posts: 3,891

First of all, can one prove that God is Creator?

  1. How long did it took God to create the World? Was it 24-hour periods or one thousand years for each day?
  2. What is the Hebrew word for "day" and its original meaning?
  3. Was the creation done by some "evolutionary process" or as revealed in Scripture? That is:
    1. Creation Narrative (Gen. 1:1 to 2:4a)
    2. Creation of Adam and Eve (Gen. 2:4b-25)

This study of theology (God as Creator and Savior) calls for sober minds and accurate reading of the Word (Bible). Share with me. CM

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  • @C Mc First of all, can one prove that God is Creator?

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    @C Mc 2. What is the Hebrew word for "" and its original meaning?

    יוֹם yom (day) has different contextual meanings when used twice in Genesis 1:5 (LEB) And God called the light יוֹם Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first יוֹם day.


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  • WolfgangWolfgang Posts: 3,165

    Was it a thousand years or a 24-hour period? CM

    from where do 1000 years appear in the picture ?? perhaps from ideas which take statements out of context? or is it just a number picked haphazardly ?

  • C McC Mc Posts: 3,891


    A religious group (not naming at this point) said each day of creation is a thousand years. Just noting what was created on each day would prove senseless. CM

  • Bill_ColeyBill_Coley Posts: 2,263

    @C Mc posted:

    A religious group (not naming at this point) said each day of creation is a thousand years. Just noting what was created on each day would prove senseless. CM

    I assume, but can't claim to know, that those who propose 1,000 year creation "days" often rely verses such as Psalm 90.4 and 2 Peter 3.8.

    In my view, the Genesis 1 creation story is a faith account, not a science narrative, that declares God's creative genius via ancient images and ways of thinking (c.f. the Enuma Elisha Babylonian epic). Hence, the specific time frame by which the writer intends for days to be defined in the Genesis 1 story is something of a moot point. What matters most in the story is WHO created, not how creation unfolded.

  • C McC Mc Posts: 3,891

    Bill,

    Can science prove or must prove creation? Are you trying say that the creation account is a myth, equivalent to "the Enuma Elisha Babylonian epic"? A day could, possibly, be a thousand years?

    Are you, also saying, you can prove God? Who is the Creator in name and in character? Let the Bible speak. CM

  • Bill_ColeyBill_Coley Posts: 2,263

    @C Mc posted:

    Can science prove or must prove creation?

    In its purest forms, science doesn't "prove" things; it proposes testable explanations for how the world/universe - a.ka. creation - works. Thanks to the efforts of our science-minded over the centuries and millennia, today we have strong and widely accepted understanding of the origins of the universe, and how galaxies, stars, and planets - including the earth - formed. Still, that understanding of our origins is subject to amendment, even replacement. Such are the vagaries of scientific discovery.


    Are you trying say that the creation account is a myth, equivalent to "the Enuma Elisha Babylonian epic"? A day could, possibly, be a thousand years?

    At a technical level, yes, the Genesis creation account is a "myth," BUT NOT a "myth" in the sense of a made-up entertainment. As an excellent Wikipedia article puts it:

    A creation myth (or cosmogonic myth) is a symbolic narrative of how the world began and how people first came to inhabit it. While in popular usage the term myth often refers to false or fanciful stories, members of cultures often ascribe varying degrees of truth to their creation myths. In the society in which it is told, a creation myth is usually regarded as conveying profound truths – metaphorically, symbolically, historically, or literally. They are commonly, although not always, considered cosmogonical myths – that is, they describe the ordering of the cosmos from a state of chaos or amorphousness. [FOR A DISCUSSION SPECIFIC TO THE MYTHOLOGICAL ASPECT OF THE GENESIS ACCOUNT, SEE HERE.]


    Are you, also saying, you can prove God? Who is the Creator in name and in character? Let the Bible speak.

    I don't know what you mean by proving God. Please explain. I'm also uncertain as to the meaning of your second question. Are you asking who the Genesis account identifies as creator? If that's your question, then the answer is of course God.

    My point about the creation stories in Genesis (there are two of them) is that the writers aren't scientists, and present a faith-based, not a scientific, description of creation whose core truth is that however creation came into being, God is responsible.

  • WolfgangWolfgang Posts: 3,165

    Thanks to the efforts of our science-minded over the centuries and millennia, today we have strong and widely accepted understanding of the origins of the universe, and how galaxies, stars, and planets - including the earth - formed.

    "widely accepted understanding" ?? Since "science doesn't prove...", I would conclude that we may have "widely accepted assumptions/hypothesis" which is perhaps widely claimed to be "[true] understanding" (=>"proof") ....

    I would claim that science is most likely about as far away from truth on subjects of universe, galaxies, stars and planets as scientists before have been with their hypothesis and assumptions .....

    Perhaps folks in the early days of humanity with the world views they had were as close or closer to truth revealed by the Creator than the scientists in modern days with their ideas based on differing assumptions ?

  • reformedreformed Posts: 3,120

    No science cannot prove origins, nor can it study the actual origin because it cannot be reproduced and observed.

  • Challenge for science is explaining flagellum of a single cell bacteria, which is irreducibly complex (does not work without all 40+ protein parts being correctly in place).

    Science can repeatedly examine flagellum, which includes construction sequence. Without God being an intelligent designer, science cannot explain how flagellum could happen. Without flagellum, bacteria lacks movement ability for food gathering, ...

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