Can the trinity be trusted as a Biblical Teaching?

You define trinity in a way that probably no one believes. In that sense, you are right.

If you define trinity the way the bible describes it, then, of course, it makes sense to most people.

The issue isn't so much the word "trinity" as it is the divinity of Christ--that is, Jesus is God.

Being anti-Christ doesn't have a tolerable ring about it, but being anti-Trinity is apparently more palatable to some.

A SINCERE COMMENT: Thank you for the summary of your understanding of how Jesus is God. Though I disagree with your views - principally because I don't think the biblical text writ large supports them - I think your summary is quite well done and reflective of genuine faith. Thank you.

By the end of this calendar year, the Bible study group I lead will complete what will turn out to a 110 session, 2-1/2 year-long exploration of the New Testament witness as to whether Jesus is God. As part of our NT review before we move to the OT, I think I will offer unedited your summary to the group and ask them to employ their discoveries from our journey to-date to assess the summary. If you're interested, I will post or PM to you the results of the group's review and any significant comments or questions group members offered. If you want to add to your summary a list of at least some of the NT texts most prominently upon which you basis your views, I will certainly add those to what I provide to the group.

Again, thanks for your summary.

Sounds much like the traditional definitions of the trinity I once held and have often heard. But, you had mentioned tha Scripture / Bible defines the trinity ... and I see nothing about that in your post.

Sure, the Bible mentions the true God being a Father, it mentions that the true God is spirit ... incidentally it does NOT mention that God is a son. The fact that there are mentions about different functions and qualities of God still do not make God a trinity nor define what trinity is or means. God is the Creator, God is also the Almighty, God is light, God is love ... (but note: God is NOT a human). These are plain simple facts mentioned in Scripture .... would you expand the trinity to more than "tri-..." since these are more than three?

Let's read the Bible and inzend to believe what it does in fact say ... and thus arrive at truth. I am looking forward to a Bible based reply to the Biblical points mentioned in my post,

@Truth .... and your Scripture / Bible support for your trinity concept would be ? Where is Bible support that God is the being of "Son"? We know God is called and spoken of as being "Father"; we also know God is spoken of as being "Holy", "the Holy One" (e.g. Jer 51:5); ....

YOU claim the Bible speaks or declares God as being "Son" ... where does Scripture say so?

Scripture also has no phrase "Jesus is NOT God".

What did Jesus command the man set free from "Legion" of demons to say & do in Luke 8:26-39 & Mark 5:1-20 ?

Luke 8:26-39 LEB (with Hebrew word for Jewish usual translation of אלהים as God in LXX) => And they sailed to the region of the Gerasenes, which is opposite Galilee. And as he got out on the land, a certain man from the town met him who had demons and for a considerable time had not worn clothes and did not live in a house, but among the tombs. And when he saw Jesus, he cried out, fell down before him, and said with a loud voice, “What do I have to do with you, Jesus, Son of the Most High אלהים God? I beg you, do not torment me!” For he had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man. (For it had seized him many times, and he was bound with chains and shackles and was guarded, and breaking the bonds he would be driven by the demon into the deserted places.) So Jesus asked him, “What is your name?” And he said, “Legion,” because many demons had entered into him. And they began imploring him that he would not order them to depart into the abyss. Now there was a large herd of pigs feeding there on the hill, and they implored him that he would permit them to enter into those pigs. And he permitted them. So the demons came out of the man and entered into the pigs, and the herd rushed headlong down the steep slope into the lake and were drowned. And when the herdsmen saw what had happened, they fled and reported it in the town and in the countryside. So they went out to see what had happened, and they came to Jesus and found the man from whom the demons had gone out sitting there clothed and in his right mind, at the feet of Jesus, and they were afraid. And those who had seen it reported to them how the man who had been demon-possessed had been healed. And all the people of the surrounding region of the Gerasenes asked him to depart from them, because they had been seized with great fear. So he got into the boat and returned. And the man from whom the demons had gone out was begging him to stay with him, but he sent him away, saying, “Return to your home and tell all that אלהים God has done for you.” And he went away, proclaiming throughout the whole town all that Jesus had done for him.

Mark 5:1-20 LEB (with Hebrew words for Jewish usual translation of יהוה as Lord & אלהים as God in LXX) => And they came to the other side of the sea, to the region of the Gerasenes. And as he was getting out of the boat, immediately from the tombs a man with an unclean spirit went to meet him, who lived among the tombs. And no one was able to bind him any longer, not even with a chain, because he had often been bound with shackles and chains, and the chains had been torn apart by him, and the shackles had been shattered. And no one was strong enough to subdue him. And during every night and day among the tombs and on the mountains he was crying out and cutting himself with stones. And when he saw Jesus from a distance, he ran and knelt down before him. And crying out with a loud voice he said, “What have I to do with you, Jesus, Son of the Most High אלהים God? I implore you by אלהים God, do not torment me!” (For he was saying to him, “Come out of the man, unclean spirit!”) And he was asking him “What is your name?” And he said to him, “My name is Legion, because we are many.” And he was imploring him many times that he would not send them out of the region. Now a large herd of pigs was there at the hill feeding, and they implored him, saying, “Send us to the pigs so that we may enter into them.” And he permitted them. And the unclean spirits came out and entered into the pigs, and the herd—about two thousand—rushed headlong down the steep slope into the sea and were drowned in the sea. And their herdsmen fled and reported it in the town and in the countryside, and they came to see what it was that had happened. And they came to Jesus and saw the demon-possessed man sitting there clothed and in his right mind—the one who had had the legion—and they were afraid. And those who had seen it described to them what had happened to the demon-possessed man, and about the pigs. And they began to urge him to depart from their region. And as he was getting into the boat, the man who had been demon-possessed began to implore him that he could go with him. And he did not permit him, but said to him, “Go to your home to your people and tell them all that the יהוה Lord has done for you, and that he has had mercy on you.” And he went away and began to proclaim in the Decapolis all that Jesus had done for him, and they were all astonished.

Psalm 100:1-5 LEB => Shout in triumph to יהוה Yahweh, all the earth. Serve יהוה Yahweh with joy; come into his presence with exultation. Know that יהוה Yahweh, he is אלהים God; he made us and we are his. We are his people and the sheep of his pasture. Enter his gates with thanksgiving, his courts with praise. Give thanks to him; bless his name. For יהוה Yahweh is good; his loyal love is forever, and his faithfulness is from generation to generation.

The man set free from "Legion" of demons described Jesus as Lord יהוה Yahweh אלהים God in the Decapolis (ten cities).

Jewish Rabbi Jesus would NOT describe Himself as אלהים God as Jesus is one voice in plural אלהים God. Spiritual quality inside the man Jesus is fully אלהים God (John 1:1) while אלהים God is more than The Word (Jesus) voice. One unique plural אלהים God has two Lord יהוה Yahweh voices: The Will (Father) & The Word (Jesus). Unified completeness of אלהים God includes Breath The Holy.

Jeremiah 23:5-6 LEB => “Look, days are coming,” declares יהוה Yahweh, “when I will raise up for David a righteous branch, and he will reign as king, and he will achieve success, and he will do justice and righteousness in the land. In his days Judah will be saved, and Israel will dwell in safety, and this is his name by which he will be called: ‘יהוה Yahweh is our righteousness.’

Proverbs 30:1-4 LEB => The words of Agur, son of Yakeh, the oracle. Thus says the man to Ithiel, to Ithiel, and Ucal: Certainly I am more stupid than a man, and the understanding of humankind is not for me. And I have not learned wisdom, nor will I know knowledge of the Holy One. Who has ascended to heaven and come down? Who has gathered the wind in the hollow of his hand? Who has wrapped water in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name and what is the name of his child? For surely you know.

Eight verses in Psalms 119:17-24 has the first word beginning with the third letter of the Hebrew alphabet, Gimel ג LEB => ג Deal bountifully with your servant, that I may live and heed your word. ג Uncover my eyes, that I may look at wonderful things from your law. ג I am a sojourner on the earth; do not hide your commands from me. ג My soul is crushed with longing for your ordinances at all times. ג You rebuke the arrogant, the accursed, who stray from your commands. ג Remove from me scorn and contempt, for I have kept your testimonies. ג Even though princes sit and speak against me, your servant meditates on your statutes. ג Your testimonies are my delight, my counselors.

Every human chooses what to love most, which becomes the basis for personal belief & actions => words & deeds. Hence reading the bible using human belief basis "sees" truth that accords with existing belief. Choosing to ❤️ Love Holy God first with all heart, mind, soul, strength allows Psalm 119:18 to be prayed 🙏 "Uncover my eyes, that I may look at wonderful things from your law." 🙏 so Holy God provides daily bread from Word of God with understanding appropriate for that day's journey. Fasting from earthly food can aid spiritual food insight & ingestion.

If believe a human organization is the only correct communication channel between that person and God, then personal belief filter "sees" truth that aligns with organization. Simple test for prophet of Holy God is 100% accuracy. Watch Tower Society fails prophecy testing so that human organization should NOT be trusted. Thankful for @C Mc posting 26 failed predictions with page citations in JW sources on October 30, 2021

Searching for mediator in Bible finds seven verses. Two mediator results are in Galatians 3:1-29 LEB (with Hebrew word for Jewish usual translation of אלהים as God in LXX) => O foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as having been crucified? I want only to learn this from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now trying to be made complete by the flesh? Have you suffered so many things for nothing—if indeed also it was for nothing? Therefore does the one who gives you the Spirit and who works miracles among you do so by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Just as Abraham believed אלהים God, and it was credited to him for righteousness, then understand that the ones who have faith, these are sons of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that אלהים God would justify the Gentiles by faith, proclaimed the good news in advance to Abraham: “In you all the nations will be blessed.” So then, the ones who have faith are blessed together with Abraham who believed. For as many as are of the works of the law are under a curse, for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all the things that are written in the book of the law to do them.” Now it is clear that no one is justified in the sight of אלהים God by the law, because “the one who is righteous will live by faith.” But the law is not from faith, but “the one who does these things will live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, because it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree,” in order that the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, so that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. Brothers, I am speaking according to a human perspective. Nevertheless, when the covenant of a man has been ratified, no one declares it invalid or adds additional provisions to it. Now to Abraham and to his descendant the promises were spoken. It does not say, “and to descendants,” as concerning many, but as concerning one, “and to your descendant,” who is Christ. Now I am saying this: the law, that came after four hundred and thirty years, does not revoke a covenant previously ratified by אלהים God, in order to nullify the promise. For if the inheritance is from the law, it is no longer from the promise, but אלהים God graciously gave it to Abraham through the promise. Why then the law? It was added on account of transgressions, until the descendant should come to whom it had been promised, having been ordered through angels by the hand of a mediator. Now the mediator is not for one, but אלהים God is one. Therefore is the law opposed to the promises of אלהים God? May it never be! For if a law had been given that was able to give life, certainly righteousness would have been from the law. But the scripture imprisoned all under sin, in order that the promise could be given by faith in Jesus Christ to those who believe. But before faith came, we were detained under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith was revealed. So then, the law became our guardian until Christ, in order that we could be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian. For you are all sons of אלהים God through faith in Christ Jesus, for as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are descendants of Abraham, heirs according to the promise.

Watch Tower Society has their own organizational law. No scripture declares human organization being correct communication channel to God.

Humans can choose to shipwreck their faith in יהוה Lord Jesus Christ so they no longer believe Jesus is יהוה Lord אלהים God & Father is יהוה Lord אלהים God (two voices in One plural unique אלהים God). Third voice in אלהים God is Breath The Holy. Unified Tri voices are One Holy God.

Another mediator is in 1 Timothy 1:18-2:8 LEB (with Hebrew word for Jewish usual translation of אלהים as God in LXX) => I am setting before you this instruction, Timothy my child, in accordance with the prophecies spoken long ago about you, in order that by them you may fight the good fight, having faith and a good conscience, which some, because they have rejected these, have suffered shipwreck concerning their faith, among whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan, in order that they may be taught not to blaspheme. Therefore, I urge first of all that petitions, prayers, requests, and thanksgiving be made on behalf of all people, on behalf of kings and all those who are in authority, in order that we may live a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity. This is good and acceptable before אלהים God our Savior, who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. For there is one אלהים God and one mediator between אלהים God and human beings, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself a ransom for all, the testimony at the proper time, for which I was appointed a herald and an apostle—I am speaking the truth, I am not lying—a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth. Therefore I want the men in every place to pray, lifting up holy hands without anger and dispute.

🙏 Praying for God's Holy Healing in all life domains: heart (emotional), mind (mental), soul (social), strength (physical), & worship (spiritual) along with God's mercy to be poured out plus justice done 🙏 while weeping 😭 with those who are weeping 😭& 😍 Rejoicing with those Rejoicing 😍

Thankful God chooses who, what, where, & when, to heal ❤️😍 praying for many, especially Jesus is יהוה Lord אלהים God believers & human enemies, so some receive God's Holy Healing ❤️(for spiritual enemies, can include Breath The Holy opening eyes to truly see so human can choose what to ❤️ Love most). Look for Love, אלהים God's Love ❤️ in 1 John 4:1-21 LEB (with Hebrew word for Jewish usual translation of אלהים as God in LXX) => Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to determine if they are from אלהים God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of אלהים God: every spirit that confesses Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from אלהים God, and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from אלהים God, and this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world. You are from אלהים God, little children, and have conquered them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world and the world listens to them. We are from אלהים God. The one who knows אלהים God listens to us; whoever is not from אלהים God does not listen to us. By this we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of deceit. Dear friends, let us love one another, because love is from אלהים God, and everyone who loves has been fathered by אלהים God and knows אלהים God. The one who does not love does not know אלהים God, because אלהים God is love. By this the love of אלהים God is revealed in us: that אלהים God sent his one and only Son into the world in order that we may live through him. In this is love: not that we have loved אלהים God, but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. Dear friends, if אלהים God loved us in this way, we also ought to love one another. No one has seen אלהים God at any time. If we love one another, אלהים God resides in us and his love is perfected in us. By this we know that we reside in him and he in us: that he has given us of his Spirit. And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world. Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of אלהים God, אלהים God resides in him and he in אלהים God. And we have come to know and have believed the love that אלהים God has in us. אלהים God is love, and the one who resides in love resides in אלהים God, and אלהים God resides in him. By this love is perfected with us, so that we may have confidence in the day of judgment, because just as that one is, so also are we in this world. There is no fear in love, but perfect love drives out fear, because fear includes punishment, and the one who is afraid has not been perfected in love. We love, because he first loved us. If anyone says, “I love אלהים God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar, for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen is not able to love אלהים God whom he has not seen. And this is the commandment we have from him: that the one who loves אלהים God should love his brother also.

Two more mediator results are in Hebrews 8:1-10:39 LEB (with Hebrew words for Jewish usual translation of יהוה as Lord & אלהים as God in LXX) => Now this is the main point in what has been said: we have a high priest such as this, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, a minister of the sanctuary and of the true tabernacle which the יהוה Lord set up, not man. For every high priest is appointed in order to offer both gifts and sacrifices; therefore it was necessary for this one also to have something that he offers. Now if he were on earth, he would not even be a priest, because there are those who offer the gifts according to the law, who serve a sketch and shadow of the heavenly things, just as Moses was warned when he was about to complete the tabernacle, for he says, “See to it that you make everything according to the pattern which was shown to you on the mountain.” But now he has attained a more excellent ministry, by as much as he is also mediator of a better covenant which has been enacted upon better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, occasion would not have been sought for a second. For in finding fault with them he says, “Behold, days are coming, says the יהוה Lord, when I will complete a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, not like the covenant which I made with their fathers on the day I took hold of them by my hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, because they did not continue in my covenant and I disregarded them, says the יהוה Lord. For this is the covenant that I will decree with the house of Israel after those days, says the יהוה Lord: I am putting my laws in their minds and I will write them on their hearts, and I will be their אלהים God and they will be my people. And they will not teach each one his fellow citizen and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know the יהוה Lord,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest. For I will be merciful toward their wrongdoings, and I will not remember their sins any longer.” In calling it new, he has declared the former to be old. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is near to disappearing. Now the first covenant had regulations for worship and the earthly sanctuary. For a tent was prepared, the first one, in which were the lampstand and the table and the presentation of the loaves, which is called the holy place. And after the second curtain was a tent called the holy of holies, containing the golden incense altar and the ark of the covenant covered on all sides with gold, in which were a golden jar containing the manna and the rod of Aaron that budded and the tablets of the covenant. And above it were the cherubim of glory overshadowing the mercy seat, about which it is not now possible to speak in detail. Now these things having been prepared in this way, the priests enter into the first tent continually as they accomplish their service, but only the high priest enters into the second tent once a year, not without blood, which he offers on behalf of himself and the sins of the people committed in ignorance. The Holy Spirit was making this clear, that the way into the holy place was not yet revealed, while the first tent was still in existence, which was a symbol for the present time, in which both the gifts and sacrifices which were offered were not able to perfect the worshiper with respect to the conscience, concerning instead only food and drink and different washings, regulations of outward things imposed until the time of setting things right. But Christ has arrived as a high priest of the good things to come. Through the greater and more perfect tent not made by hands, that is, not of this creation, and not by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood, he entered once for all into the most holy place, obtaining eternal redemption. For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a young cow sprinkled on those who are defiled sanctify them for the ritual purity of the flesh, how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, cleanse our consciences from dead works to serve the living אלהים God? And because of this, he is the mediator of a new covenant, in order that, because a death has taken place for the redemption of transgressions committed during the first covenant, those who are the called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. For where there is a will, it is a necessity for the death of the one who made the will to be established. For a will is in force concerning those who are dead, since it is never in force when the one who made the will is alive. Therefore not even the first covenant was ratified without blood. For when every commandment had been spoken by Moses to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves with water and scarlet wool and hyssop and sprinkled both the scroll itself and all the people, saying, “This is the blood of the covenant that אלהים God has commanded for you.” And likewise he sprinkled both the tabernacle and all the utensils of service with the blood. Indeed, nearly everything is purified with blood according to the law, and apart from the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness. Therefore it was necessary for the sketches of the things in heaven to be purified with these sacrifices, but the heavenly things themselves to be purified with better sacrifices than these. For Christ did not enter into a sanctuary made by hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of אלהים God on our behalf, and not in order that he can offer himself many times, as the high priest enters into the sanctuary year by year with blood not his own, since it would have been necessary for him to suffer many times from the foundation of the world, but now he has appeared once at the end of the ages for the removal of sin by the sacrifice of himself. And just as it is destined for people to die once, and after this, judgment, thus also Christ, having been offered once in order to bear the sins of many, will appear for the second time without reference to sin to those who eagerly await him for salvation. For the law, possessing a shadow of the good things that are about to come, not the form of things itself, is never able year by year by means of the same sacrifices which they offer without interruption to make perfect those who draw near. For otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, because the ones who worship, having been purified once and for all, would no longer have any consciousness of sins? But in them there is a reminder of sins year by year. For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. Therefore, when he came into the world, he said, “Sacrifice and offering you did not want, but a body you prepared for me; you did not delight in whole burnt offerings and offerings for sins. Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come— in the roll of the book it is written about me— to do your will, O אלהים God.’ When he says above, “Sacrifices and offerings and whole burnt offerings and offerings for sin you did not want, nor did you delight in,” which are offered according to the law, then he has said, “Behold, I have come to do your will.” He takes away the first in order to establish the second, by which will we are made holy through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And every priest stands every day serving and offering the same sacrifices many times, which are never able to take away sins. But this one, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, sat down at the right hand of אלהים God, from now on waiting until his enemies are made a footstool for his feet. For by one offering he has perfected for all time those who are made holy. And the Holy Spirit also testifies to us, for after saying, “This is the covenant that I will decree for them after those days, says the יהוה Lord: I am putting my laws on their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.” He also says, “Their sins and their lawless deeds I will never remember again.” Now where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer an offering for sin. Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence for the entrance into the sanctuary by the blood of Jesus, by the new and living way which he inaugurated for us through the curtain, that is, his flesh, and since we have a great priest over the house of אלהים God, let us approach with a true heart in the full assurance of faith, our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast to the confession of our hope without wavering, for the one who promised is faithful. And let us think about how to stir one another up to love and good works, not abandoning our meeting together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging each other, and by so much more as you see the day drawing near. For if we keep on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment and a fury of fire that is about to consume the adversaries. Anyone who rejected the law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much worse punishment do you think the person will be considered worthy of who treats with disdain the Son of אלהים God and who considers ordinary the blood of the covenant by which he was made holy and who insults the Spirit of grace? For we know the one who said, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay,” and again, “The יהוה Lord will judge his people.” It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living אלהים God. But remember the former days in which, after you were enlightened, you endured a great struggle with sufferings, sometimes being publicly exposed both to insults and to afflictions, and sometimes becoming sharers with those who were treated in this way. For you both sympathized with the prisoners and put up with the seizure of your belongings with joy because you knew that you yourselves had a better and permanent possession. Therefore do not throw away your confidence, which has great reward. For you have need of endurance, in order that after you have done the will of אלהים God, you may receive what was promised. For yet “a very, very little while, and the one who is coming will come and will not delay. But my righteous one will live by faith, and if he shrinks back, my soul is not well pleased with him.” But we are not among those who shrink back to destruction, but among those who have faith to the preservation of our souls.

Keep Smiling 😊

Colossians 2:9 says of Christ, “in him all the fullness of deity dwells in bodily form.”

We should not think of God as a “pie” cut into three pieces, each piece representing a Person. This would make each Person less than fully God and thus not God at all. Rather, “the being of each Person is equal to the whole being of God” (Grudem, Systematic Theology, 1994, page 255)

Trinity can be an awkward word because it is extrabiblical and a term used to soundly refute those who deny the deity of Christ. It works, though many other terms could equally be used such as "Shema-monotheism." Same thing. It's just a term to describe a critical biblical concept, perhaps the most important concept in your life.

Is this a contradiction in your understanding: “It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.”

Are there two times going on, or one? Are they distinct from each other? How?

Time exists wholly and completely in each way, and is the same time, even though each time is distinctly different from the other.

The example above is not perfect because it is time not God, but it is analogous and is not modalism. However, modalism seems to be established intrinsically as a bad way to describe God. That may be both true and unfortunate because understanding God as one being in more than one mode may be helpful (for you theologian and philosopher types, you understand that this is not modalism). God does have more than one form of existence. He isn't divided into three pieces but is three distinctions of being in one being. Call that three persons from God's point of view. Some of you may find that difficult when you don't even believe both the physical and spiritual exist. Yet you are two distinctions in one being, a body and a spirit. That is two in one. You are not a father in the way God is and your body and spirit are not God like the body and spirit of Jesus is.

As Norman Geisler says, God is one what but three who's.

@Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus, now, which of your three plural God-voices was speaking as "I" to Moses? Iz seems very clear from the actual text that only one person/voice was communicating to Moses. Or was the God-trio perhaps speaking as a "choir" ?

@Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus,

Thank you for your contributions to this and the other threads around the forums on the Deity of Christ. Don't stop including other voices and references in the conversation, albeit to  @Wolfgang 's dismay. He seems to be allergic to others bringing clarity to the subject matter. Although what you shared is often long, I am curious to know if those in opposition (active posters in CD) understand God's attributes, essence, nature, and power God? Are they comprehending the materials you are sharing? Given that their heads seem to be so deep in the sands of defining God beyond His revelation, one wonders. It appears the Bible and humility play no role in understanding who God is.

The onslaught JW's dump from its website on CD to re-enforce the blasphemous claims against Christ. It's hard for the average seeker of truth to escape from being slimed with this anti-christ soot. Keep up the good work, and keep smiling for Jesus. CM 

Assuming that you're referring to those "in opposition" to @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus' (and perhaps your) Christology, I respond to your questions this way:

• I understand God's attributes, essence, nature, and power to a significant degree - principally but not exclusively through the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus - but not perfectly. That's not surprising, of course, given that the God we're trying to understand says, "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, and your ways are not my ways,"  (Isaiah 55.8)
• I comprehend the materials @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus shares.
• I don't know what you mean by heads "so deep in the sands of defining God beyond His revelation." What are "the sands of defining God beyond His revelation"?
• The Bible and humility play important roles in my understanding of who God is. I am always aware that I "see in a mirror dimly" (1 Cor 13.12).

FWIW, I never feel "slimed" by pasted content in these threads, whether the one executing the pastes is @BroRando, @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus, @Wolfgang, you, or even me.

If we write our own thoughts then we wont use Scripture. If we use Scripture, we are hiding behind it. If we quote a Bible scholar we are hiding behind him. Gotcha, no matter what you do!

What if we let people share what they want without demanding they fit within the box we have made for ourselves?

@Bill_Coley Don't confuse your Google search for actual knowledge.

I read some where recently @Truth said:

@Truth said:

Is this a verification of sincerity? CM

Your silence is deafening.

Your Pope, the Watchtower, has blinded you and prevented you from encountering the real Jehovah. Put away deceitful writings; both truth and vision may begin to seep in.

@Truth ,

You seem to summarize perfectly @Wolfgang 's trend of thoughts on the posting of others. However, I think he is coming around. He sent me materials from a source from one who could explain a matter better than he could. I appreciated it. CM