The trinity and it’s false theology.

Curious how you would describe Tri-Unity (trinity) doctrine ? This thread started with assumed Tri-Unity (trinity) doctrinal understanding.

Curious about your human trinity doctrine source(s) ?

FWIW: many humans have written variety of Tri-Unity (trinity) doctrines over the centuries. Honestly not know if/how my human understanding of Scripture aligns with historical multitude of human writers so do not use the label "trinitarian" to describe myself. Deuteronomy 6:4 has singular and plural words (along with three names) so my God description is One plural unique God. I identify as being a follower of "The Way" from John 14:6 => Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Who is "The First and The Last" ? How truthful are the words spoken by Jesus in Revelation 22:12-16 ?

Isaiah 44:6-7 LEB => Thus says יהוה Yahweh, the king of Israel, and its redeemer, יהוה Yahweh of hosts: “I am the first, and I am the last, and there is no god besides me. And who is like me? Let him proclaim it! And let him declare it and set it in order for me since I established an eternal people and things that are to come, and let them tell them the things that are coming.

Revelation 22:12-16 LEB => “Behold, I am coming quickly, and my reward is with me, to repay each one according to what his deeds are! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” Blessed are the ones who wash their robes, so that their authority will be over the tree of life and they may enter into the city through the gates. Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the sexually immoral people and the murderers and the idolaters and everyone who loves and who practices falsehood. “I, Jesus, sent my angel to testify to you about these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.”

Did the Apostle Paul describe Jesus incorrectly in Philippians 2:5-11, especially existing in the form of אלהים God ?

Philippians 2:5-11 LEB (with Hebrew words for Jewish usual translation of יהוה as Lord & אלהים as God in LXX) => Think this in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, existing in the form of אלהים God, did not consider being equal with אלהים God something to be grasped, but emptied himself by taking the form of a slave, by becoming in the likeness of people. And being found in appearance like a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, that is, death on a cross. Therefore also אלהים God exalted him and graciously granted him the name above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven and of those on earth and of those under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is יהוה Lord, to the glory of אלהים God the Father.

Describing pre-existing spiritual form of Jesus is challenging: Jesus experienced אלהים God's Glory (John 17:5) and אלהים God's Love (John 17:24) before אלהים God created physical realm out of nothing. Humanly not know how to describe One plural אלהים God spiritual essence that existed before physical creation, which includes three names in Deuteronomy 6:4 יהוה אלהינו יהוה (We or our is God 1st person plural pronoun suffix)

יהוה Jesus humbly being in the form of a slave is the context for farewell discourse in upper room at the last supper (Pesach) in John 14:1-31 LEB (with Hebrew word for Jewish usual translation of יהוה as Lord & אלהים as God in LXX)  => “Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in אלהים God; believe also in me. In my Father’s house there are many dwelling places; but if not, I would have told you, because I am going away to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to myself, so that where I am, you may be also. And you know the way where I am going.” Thomas said to him, “יהוה Lord, we do not know where you are going. How are we able to know the way?” Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you know him and have seen him.” Philip said to him, “יהוה Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” Jesus said to him, “Am I with you so long a time and you have not known me, Philip? The one who has seen me has seen the Father! How can you say, ‘Show us the Father?’ Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak from myself, but the Father residing in me does his works. Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; but if not, believe because of the works themselves. Truly, truly I say to you, the one who believes in me, the works that I am doing he will do also, and he will do greater works than these because I am going to the Father. And whatever you ask in my name, I will do this, in order that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it. “If you love me, you will keep my commandments. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, in order that he may be with you forever—the Spirit of truth, whom the world is not able to receive, because it does not see him or know him. You know him, because he resides with you and will be in you. “I will not leave you as orphans; I am coming to you. Yet a little time and the world will see me no longer, but you will see me; because I live, you also will live. On that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. The one who has my commandments and keeps them—that one is the one who loves me. And the one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and will reveal myself to him.” Judas (not Iscariot) said to him, “יהוה Lord, why is it that you are going to reveal yourself to us and not to the world?” Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves me he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and will take up residence with him. The one who does not love me does not keep my words, and the word that you hear is not mine, but the Father’s who sent me. These things I have spoken to you while residing with you. But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name—that one will teach you all things, and will remind you of everything that I said to you. “Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you—not as the world gives, I give to you. Do not let your hearts be troubled, and do not let them be afraid. You have heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away, and I am coming to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced that I am going to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am. And now I have told you before it happens, so that when it happens, you may believe. I will no longer speak much with you, for the ruler of the world is coming, and he has no power over me. But so that the world may know that I love the Father, and just as the Father has commanded me, thus I am doing. Get up, let us go from here!

Was Jesus incorrect to command disciples to be ye believing in me (Jesus) the same as be ye believing in God ?

πιστεύετε εἰς τὸν θεόν, καὶ εἰς ἐμὲ πιστεύετε (John 14:1 SBLGNT words spoken by Jesus to disciples)

πιστεύετε - to believe - verb, present, active, indicative, 2nd person, plural "Be ye believing" (present = continuous action in present time)

εἰς - in - preposition

τὸν - the - article, accusative, singular, masculine (accusative case shows object of preposition εἰς)

θεόν, - God - noun, accusative, singular, masculine (grammatical case, number, gender agrees with article)

καὶ - also - adverb/particle, emphatic

εἰς - in - preposition

ἐμὲ - me - pronoun, personal, 1st person, accusative, singular (accusative case shows object of preposition εἰς)

πιστεύετε - to believe: verb, present, active, indicative, 2nd person, plural "Be ye believing" (present = continuous action in present time)

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@Wolfgang does not believe three voices of אלהים God in Scripture are ONE plural unique אלהים God. @Wolfgang cannot describe concept of Tri-unity correctly (due to belief of Tri-Unity being impossible).

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Appreciate your confirmation that you believe Tri-Unity (trinity) is impossible so you see tritheism (THREE gods) per your faith belief frame of reference.

John 10:30 "The Father and I are One" was understood by Jewish religious leaders as Jesus saying "The Father and I are One יהוה Lord" (UNITY) as shown in John 10:33 => The Jews answered him, “We are not going to stone you concerning a good deed, but concerning blasphemy, and because you, although you are a man, make yourself to be אלהים God!”

Bible Search for <Lemma = lbs/he/אֶחָד> in Lexham Hebrew Bible finds 739 verses (range of meaning appears in translation: One, first, certain, ...), which includes Deuteronomy 6:4 and Genesis 2:24 LEB => Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and shall cling to his wife, and they shall be as one flesh.

Dictionary entry on macOS Big Sur 11.6.1

Searching All Bibles (1,023) in my Logos Library for trinity finds one result:

Acts 2:22-24 The New Testament: An Expanded Translation by Kenneth S. Wuest => Men, Israelites. Hear these words at once. Jesus, the Nazarene, a man who has been demonstrated to you by God to be that which He claims to be, this demonstration taking the form of miracles that show the power of God, and miracles that are a startling, imposing, amazement-awakening portent, and miracles that have for their purpose the attestation of the divine mission of the one who performs them, which miracles God performed through His intermediate agency in your midst even as you yourselves know positively; this One, having been delivered up by the counsel of God which [in the council held by the Trinity] had decided upon His destiny, even by the foreordination of God which is that act fixing His destiny, by wicked hands you crucified and killed, whom God raised up, having loosed the pangs of death because it was not possible for Him to be mastered by it.

Bible Seach for Unity in LEB finds:

Psalm 133:1 LEB => Look, how good and how pleasant it is when brothers dwell together in unity.

Zechariah 11:7 LEB => And I shepherded the flock doomed to slaughter, even the afflicted of the flock. I took two staffs, one I called Kindness, and the other I called Unity, and I shepherded the flock.

Zechariah 11:14 LEB => Then I broke my second staff Unity to break the family ties between Judah and Israel.

Ephesians 4:3 LEB => being eager to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace;

Ephesians 4:13 LEB => until we all reach the unity of the faith and the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to a measure of the maturity of the fullness of Christ,

Ephesians 4:1-32 LEB (with Hebrew words for Jewish usual translation of יהוה as Lord & אלהים as God in LXX)  => Therefore I, the prisoner in the יהוה Lord, exhort you to live in a manner worthy of the calling with which you were called: with all humility and gentleness, with patience, putting up with one another in love, being eager to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace; one body and one Spirit (just as also you were called with one hope of your calling), one יהוה Lord, one faith, one baptism, one אלהים God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in all. Now to each one of us was given this grace, according to the measure of Christ’s gift. Therefore it says, “Ascending on high he led captivity captive; he gave gifts to men.” Now “he ascended,” what is it, except that he also descended to the lower regions of the earth? The one who descended himself is also the one who ascended above all the heavens, in order that he might fill all things. And he himself gave some as apostles and some as prophets and some as evangelists and some as pastors and teachers for the equipping of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for building up the body of Christ, until we all reach the unity of the faith and the knowledge of the Son of אלהים God, to a mature man, to a measure of the maturity of the fullness of Christ, so that we may no longer be infants, tossed about by waves and carried about by every wind of teaching, by the trickery of people, by craftiness with reference to the scheming of deceit. But speaking the truth in love, we are to grow into him with reference to all things, who is the head, Christ, from whom the whole body, joined together and held together by every supporting ligament, according to the working by measure of each single part, the growth of the body makes for the building up of itself in love. This therefore I say and testify in the יהוה Lord, that you no longer walk as the Gentiles walk: in the futility of their mind, being darkened in understanding, alienated from the life of אלהים God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardness of their heart, who, becoming callous, gave themselves over to licentiousness, for the pursuit of all uncleanness in greediness. But you did not learn Christ in this way, if indeed you have heard about him, and you were taught by him (just as truth is in Jesus), that you take off, according to your former way of life, the old man, who is being destroyed according to deceitful desires, be renewed in the spirit of your mind, and put on the new man (in accordance with אלהים God), who is created in righteousness and holiness from the truth. Therefore, putting aside the lie, speak truth each one of you with his neighbor, because we are members of one another. Be angry and do not sin; do not let the sun set on your anger, nor give place to the devil. The one who steals must steal no longer, but instead must labor, working with his own hands what is good, so that he may have something to share with the one who has need. No rotten word must proceed from your mouth, but only something good for the building up of the need, in order that it may give grace to those who hear, and do not grieve the Holy Spirit of אלהים God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. All bitterness, and rage, and wrath, and clamor, and abusive speech, must be removed from you, together with all wickedness. Become kind toward one another, compassionate, forgiving one another, just as also אלהים God in Christ has forgiven you.

If believe Christ is NOT unified in One God (Jesus cannot be God), how can אלהים God in Christ forgive sin against אלהים God ?

If believe Christ (Messiah) is unified in One plural אלהים God, then immensely Thankful for אלהים God in Christ can forgive sin against אלהים God.

Zechariah 11:4-17 LEB => Thus says יהוה Yahweh my אלהים God: “Shepherd the flock doomed to slaughter. The ones buying them kill them and go unpunished, and the ones selling them say, ‘Blessed be יהוה Yahweh, for I have become rich.’ Their own shepherds have no compassion for them. For I will no longer have compassion on the inhabitants of the land,” declares יהוה Yahweh. “Look, I am going to cause humankind to fall, each into the hand of his neighbor, and into the hand of his king; and they will devastate the land, and I will not deliver anyone from their hand.” And I shepherded the flock doomed to slaughter, even the afflicted of the flock. I took two staffs, one I called Kindness, and the other I called Unity, and I shepherded the flock. And I got rid of three shepherds in one month, for I grew impatient with them, and they also became tired of me. So I said, “I will not shepherd you! The one dying will die, and the one to be destroyed will be destroyed. And the ones remaining, let them devour the flesh of each other.” And I took my staff Kindness and broke it, to break my covenant that I had made with all the peoples. And it was broken on that day. Then the afflicted of the flock, the ones who were watching me, knew that it was the word of יהוה Yahweh. And I said to them, “If it seems right to you, give me my wages, but if not, keep them.” And they weighed out my wages, thirty silver shekels. And יהוה Yahweh said to me, “Throw it to the potter,” this noble price at which I was valued by them!” So I took the thirty silver shekels and I threw them to the potter in the house of יהוה Yahweh. Then I broke my second staff Unity to break the family ties between Judah and Israel. And יהוה Yahweh said to me, “Take again the implements of a foolish shepherd. For look, I am raising up a shepherd in the land who will not attend to the ones that are perishing; he will not seek the young man, he will not heal the ones that are crushed and he will not sustain the healthy ones; he will devour the flesh of the fattened ones and tear apart even their hoofs. “Woe, my worthless shepherd who deserts the flock! May a sword fall on his arm and on his right eye! May his arm wither completely and his right eye be utterly blinded!”

Matthew 27:3-10 LEB => Then when Judas, the one who had betrayed him, saw that he had been condemned, he regretted what he had done and returned the thirty silver coins to the chief priests and elders, saying, “I have sinned by betraying innocent blood!” But they said, “What is that to us? You see to it!” And throwing the silver coins into the temple he departed. And he went away and hanged himself. But the chief priests took the silver coins and said, “It is not permitted to put them into the temple treasury, because it is blood money.” And after taking counsel, they purchased with them the Potter’s Field, for a burial place for strangers. (For this reason that field has been called the Field of Blood until today.) Then what was spoken by the prophet Jeremiah was fulfilled, who said, “And they took the thirty silver coins, the price of the one who had been priced, on whom a price had been set by the sons of Israel, and they gave them for the potter’s field, just as the יהוה Lord directed me.”

Textual Commentary about Matthew 27:9

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An embrace of the Golden Rule is called for here because I can't imagine you'd welcome those whose Christology differs from yours calling your points of view on the deity of Christ "lies" simply because your views differ from theirs. Theological points of view that differ from ours are no more "lies" than are our theological points of view that differ from anyone else's.

Disagree with others' theologies as often and passionately as you see fit, but please save the "your beliefs are lies" slams for other forums.

Ezekiel 18:1-32 LEB => And the word of יהוה Yahweh came to me, saying, “What do you mean by quoting this proverb about the land of Israel, saying, ‘The fathers, they ate unripe fruit, and the teeth of the child became blunt.’ As I live, declares the Lord יהוה Yahweh, it will surely not any longer be appropriate for you to quote this proverb in Israel! Look! All lives are mine. The lives of father and son alike are mine. The person sinning will die. And if a man is righteous and does justice and righteousness, and on the mountains he does not eat and he does not lift up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, and the wife of his neighbor he does not defile and he does not approach a woman of menstruation, and he oppresses no one and he returns a pledge for his loan and he commits no robbery and he gives his bread to the hungry and he covers a naked person with a garment, and he does not charge interest and he takes no usury, and he holds back his hand from injustice and he executes a judgment of fairness between persons, and in my statutes he goes about and my regulations he keeps, performing faithfully —then he is righteous, and certainly he will live,” declares the Lord יהוה Yahweh. “And now he has a son, a violent one, who sheds blood and does any of these things (though he did not do all of these things), for the son also eats on the mountains and he defiles the wife of his neighbor. He oppresses the needy and the poor, and he commits robbery, and he does not return a pledge for a loan, and he lifts his eyes to the idols so he does a detestable thing. He charges interest and takes usury. Then, shall he live? He shall not live, for he did all of these detestable things. Surely he will die! His blood will be on him. “And look! He has a son, and he sees all of the sin of his father that he did, and he sees it, but he does not do it. On the mountains he does not eat, and he does not lift up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, and the wife of his neighbor he does not defile. And he oppresses no one; he requires no pledge for a loan, and he does not commit robbery; he gives his bread to the hungry, and he covers the naked person with a garment. He brings back his hand from iniquity; he does not take interest and usury; he does my regulations; he goes in my statutes. He will not die because of the guilt of his father; he will surely live! Because his father oppressed severely; he stole from his brother; that which is not good he did in the midst of his people, and look! He will die through his guilt. “Yet you say, ‘Why does the son not bear the guilt of the father?’ And since the son does justice and righteousness and he keeps all of my statutes and does them, he shall surely live! The person, the one sinning, will die. A son shall not bear the guilt of the father, and a father shall not bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be on him; the wickedness of the wicked shall be on him. But if the wicked returns from all of his sins that he has done and he keeps all of my statutes and he does justice and righteousness, he shall surely live; he shall not die! All of his transgressions that he committed will not be remembered against him. Through his righteousness that he has done he shall live. Have I delight by any means in the death of the wicked, declares the Lord יהוה Yahweh, and not at his turning from his way, so that he lives? And when the righteous turns from his righteousness, so that he does injustice, and does all of the detestable things that the wicked do, then will he live because of all of his righteousness that he did? Those things will not be remembered because of his infidelity that he displayed, and because of his sin that he committed. Through them he shall die. “Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not fair!’ Listen, now, house of Israel, is my way not fair? Is it not your ways that are not fair? When the righteous turns from his righteousness, and he does injustice, then he will die because of them; because of his injustice that he did he will die! And when the wicked turns from his wickedness that he did and he does justice and righteousness, he will preserve his life. And if he sees and he returns from all of his transgressions that he did, surely he will live; he will not die! And yet they, the house of Israel, say, ‘The way of the Lord is not fair!’ Are not my ways fair, house of Israel? Are not your ways unfair? “Therefore I will judge you, house of Israel, each one according to his ways,” declares the Lord יהוה Yahweh. “Repent and turn around from all of your transgression, and it will not be as a stumbling block of iniquity to you. Throw away from yourselves all of your transgressions that you committed, and make for yourselves a new heart and new spirit, and so why will you die, house of Israel? For I have no pleasure in the death of the dying,” declares the Lord יהוה Yahweh. “And so repent and live!”

Matthew 7:21-23 LEB (with Hebrew word for Jewish usual translation of יהוה as Lord in LXX) => “Not everyone who says to me, ‘יהוה Lord, יהוה Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘יהוה Lord, יהוה Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many miracles in your name?’ And then I will say to them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Depart from me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Revelation 22:12-16 LEB => “Behold, I am coming quickly, and my reward is with me, to repay each one according to what his deeds are! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” Blessed are the ones who wash their robes, so that their authority will be over the tree of life and they may enter into the city through the gates. Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the sexually immoral people and the murderers and the idolaters and everyone who loves and who practices falsehood. “I, Jesus, sent my angel to testify to you about these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.”

Isaiah 44:6-7 LEB => Thus says יהוה Yahweh, the king of Israel, and its redeemer, יהוה Yahweh of hosts: “I am the first, and I am the last, and there is no god besides me. And who is like me? Let him proclaim it! And let him declare it and set it in order for me since I established an eternal people and things that are to come, and let them tell them the things that are coming.

Repeating questions: Who is "The First and The Last" ? How truthful are the words spoken by Jesus in Revelation 22:12-16 ?

Isaiah 44:6 has two subjects for singular verb "says" that is consistent with Acts 7:55-56 Jesus is redeemer, יהוה Yahweh of hosts

Luke 16:19-31 LEB => “Now a certain man was rich, and dressed in purple cloth and fine linen, feasting sumptuously every day. And a certain poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, lay at his gate, and was longing to be filled with what fell from the table of the rich man. But even the dogs came and licked his sores. Now it happened that the poor man died, and he was carried away by the angels to Abraham’s side. And the rich man also died and was buried. And in Hades he lifted up his eyes as he was in torment and saw Abraham from a distance, and Lazarus at his side. And he called out and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he could dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am suffering pain in this flame!’ But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that you received your good things during your life, and Lazarus likewise bad things. But now he is comforted here, but you are suffering pain. And in addition to all these things, a great chasm has been established between us and you, so that those who want to cross over from here to you are not able to do so, nor can they cross over from there to us.’ So he said, ‘Then I ask you, father, that you send him to my father’s house, for I have five brothers, so that he could warn them, in order that they also should not come to this place of torment!’ But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; they must listen to them.’ And he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent!’ But he said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone rises from the dead.’ ”

Chapters 14 & 15 of Climbing into Eternity: My Descent in Hell and Flight to Heaven by Michele Pulford describe hell existence earlier this century, which is consistent with Luke 16:19-31 teaching: torment, flames, pain, no water, ... (plus provides gut wrenching details along with God's mercy after Michele intentionally overdosed on 100+ pills to cause her human body death after 13 years of evil life style). Yet, Michele's story provides hope for someone choosing suicide as Lord God truly judges heart choices by each human individual. Every creature being tormented in hell (away from God's Love ❤️) choose sin instead of hearing & obeying Deuteronomy 6:4-5 LEB => “Hear, Israel, יהוה Yahweh our אלהים God, יהוה Yahweh is unique. And you shall love יהוה Yahweh your אלהים God with all of your heart and with all of your soul and with all of your might.

Logos Bible Software search capabilities in a digital library are useful for expanding knowledge so can find many points of view plus check quotes: e.g. Jewish Zohar "three names" in Deuteronomy 6:4 plus my human thoughts about God => יהוה Father אלהים Breath The Holy (We) יהוה Son. My favorite feature is visual filter highlighting so can "see" range of verbal expression in original languages and Bibles with Reverse Interlinear alignments => https://wiki.logos.com/Extended_Tips_for_Highlighting_and_Visual_Filters#Examples_of_visual_filters

🙏 My prayers to One plural unique God include Psalm 119:18 LEB => Uncover my eyes, that I may look at wonderful things from your law.

Thankful to be learning more about One plural unique God, who is absolutely amazing 🙏❤️(and slowly helping me become Holy as God is Holy)

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@BroRando,

We all know that the word "Trinity" does not appear in the Bible. It doesn't mean that the doctrine of the Trinity is not taught in the Scripture. The same is true of JW's favorite term, "theocracy, "doesn't appear in the Bible. The absence of the word for "Trinity" or the word for "God's rule" (theocracy) implies that the realities expressed by these two words are absent from the Scripture.

Contrary to what your JW's website says, it failed to mention the Trinitarian pattern. They don't support your Unitarian views. Many of these passages are in the New Testament. The direct and obvious ones are in Matt. 28: 19 and 1 Cor. 13: 14.  However, you should consider the following:

• I Cor. 6: 11, 12: 4-5
• 1 Cor. 1: 21-22
• Gal. 3: 11-14
• I Thess. 5: 18-19
• I Pet. 1: 2 

I acknowledged the manuscript evidence of 1 John 5: 7-8 (KJV), is insufficient. To prove the Trinity, no one should use the text above. However, there is plenty of proof for the doctrine of the Trinity elsewhere in the New Testament.

JWs  [a modern form of the ancient heresy of Arianism] should consider clear statements on the true deity of Jesus Christ. Unless they changed it recently, The New World Translation (NWT), firstly said so by Thomas. He addressed Jesus Christ after his resurrection with a confession of his deity when he said, "My Master" (NWT footnote gives, "Or, 'Lord") "and God" (John 20: 28).

1. If Jesus were not truly divine as God is divine, Thomas made a mistake.
2. Why does Jesus make no effort to correct him?
3. Jesus accepted the ascription of deity and commended all who share Thomas's faith.
4. See John 20:29 -- "Jesus said to him: 'Because you have seen me have you believed? Happy are those who do not see and yet believe.'" 

It is not honest to divide Thomas's exclamation, as some JWs do. They tried by stating, Thomas addressed and  Such tactic overlooks the plain introductory words, "Thomas said to Him that is to Jesus:

The second person who understood Jesus as Lord is Stephen, the first martyr. When he was being stoned, "he made an appeal " and said, 'Lord Jesus, receive my spirit " (Acts 7:59).

• The "he made an appeal" in the NWT as footnote gives as alternatives of "appeal," "invocation," or "prayer."
• Here Stephen invoked the Lord Jesus.
• It is obviously both foolish and sinful to pray to anyone except God.

If the Jehovah's Witnesses are correct, namely, that Jesus is only a spirit creature, then Stephen was an idolater in praying to one who was not God.

The third person to acknowledge Jesus as Lord is Paul in Galatians:

• NWT: "Paul, an apostle, neither from men nor through a man, but Jesus Christ and God the Father. . . ."
• Paul made clear; his apostleship was derived from an unusual source. Neither from men nor through a man as a channel. Instead of receiving his appointment as an Apostle from or through any human being, he declares that it was "through Jesus Christ and God the Father."
• In addition, Pail used two prepositions when speaking of "men" and "a man," but here, he uses only one preposition, "through  Jesus Christ and God the Father." 
• Lightfoot said of this verse, "The channel of his [Paul's] authority coincides with its source."

Paul showed he was impressed. E.g., three circumstances:

1. Paul's purpose in this verse doesn't refer explicitly to the nature of Christ. Nevertheless, He views Christ as fully divine that it comes naturally to him to refer, even in passing, to Jesus Christ and God in the same breath, using the same preposition for both persons of the Trinity.
2. Let's not forget Paul's strict Jewish monotheistic background. Through rabbinical training, one was surprised to find Paul using language to regard Jesus Christ in this holy light.
3. Not only did Paul hold this incredible view of Jesus, but he assumed that everyone agreed with him.

In Galatians, the Judaizers, so far as we can see, did not quarrel with Paul's lofty view of Christ. Thomas, Stephen, Paul, and others regard Jesus as God, but according to John 10: 30, Jesus himself claimed:

"I and the Father are one." 

All translations, including your NWT, render this verse. The marginal note of NWT translation, suggesting that "are one" means "are at unity," is an alternative interpretation lacking in justification that the translators did not dare to introduce it into the text itself.

Here Jesus is represented as claiming much more than having one purpose or outlook with the Father. Jesus claimed to be one with the Father in essence. The Jews understand him to mean this, for they took up stones to stone him for blasphemy (John 10.31-33).

Don't you agree with me with your translation? CM

SOURCE:

• J. B. Lightfoot, St. Paul's Epistle to the Galatians, 6th ed. (London, 1880). p. 72.

Those who reject the notion of trinity may do so because they are thinking the term means, from a human perspective, that God is three different human-like persons. Obviously that is impossible and trinitarians do not think that.

Those who endorse trinity presumably think of God, from God's perspective, as a description of three God-persons in one being.

If you insist on thinking of Trinity as making God out to be three humans, then some of your contrary arguments would be right.

Suggestion: listen to what trinitarians are saying and try to understand.

No special status needed or ability needed. Understanding isn't so difficult. Obviously, there is much about God we don't understand, but trinity is fairly straight-forward. Unless you reject it. Then it becomes the stone over which you stumble, or outright reject--Jesus Christ. This forum is testimony to that.

@BroRando said:

If that's the case, He shouldn't be worshipped and empowered to forgive sins. "The LORD possessed me at the beginning of His way, before His works of old" (Proverbs 8:22, NKJV). The use of "Wisdom in Proverbs 8 is related to the Lord as the Creator.

• See the Creation account in Genesis 1 and 2.
• Its literary structure, organized around the three essential elements of heaven, water, and earth.

The primary qualification of Wisdom: 

• If God Himself used Wisdom to create the oldest tool, older than the universe itself and fundamental to its existence, we should all the more use Wisdom in everything we do in life.

There is a strong emphasis on the divine origin of Wisdom. Three keywords in the poem:

1. The Lord, Yahweh
2. "Begotten" wisdom
   1. The Hebrew word qanah, translated as "possessed" by the NKJV, has the connotation of "begetting" rather than "creating" (see Deut. 32:6, Gen. 4:1). 
3. The third word is a technical word that is associated with the Genesis Creation, reshit ("beginning"), which is found in the first verse of Genesis: "In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth.
   1. The word "beginning" in Proverbs 8:22 is used somewhat differently from the way it is used in Genesis 1:
      1. In Genesis 1:1, the word is related to the Creation itself.
   2. In Proverbs 8:22, "beginning" is related to God Himself, to His way (derek), which means His nature. Thus, Wisdom is part of the very nature of God Himself.
4. In Genesis 1, we see that each step of the Creation concludes with the same refrain: 
   1. "God saw that it was good" (see Gen. 1:4, 10, 12, 18, 21, 25, 31). 
   2. The last step (Gen. 1.31) goes even further: "It was very good."

Please note Wisdom:

• Wisdom is situated in time even before the Creation of the universe.
• He existed at the time when only God was present, "from everlasting."
• Thus, Wisdom does not originate in us but, instead, is revealed to us; it is something that we learn, something taught to us; it is not what we generate out of ourselves.

Jesus is "the true Light which gives light to every man" (John 1:9, NKJV).

In patristic Christology, Prov 8:22–31, this most famous OT passages reference Christ. Dowling summarizes it by saying:

1. Justin Martyr (d. 166) gave Prov 8:22 a Christological interpretation, showing that Christ (or the Holy Spirit) was always with the Father and emphasizing the distinction between the Logos and the Father and the priority of the Logos over Creation.
2. Athenagoras, in his Supplication for the Christians (ca. 177), and Tertullian (ca. 160–220), followed Justin in identifying Logos (= Wisdom) with the eternal Son of God. They used Prov 8 as part of their two-stage history of the Logos to depict the Logos passing from an "immanent" state in the mind of God to an "expressed" state sent forth for Creation.
3. Origen of Alexandria clearly understands Wisdom to refer not simply to an impersonal attribute but Jesus. Wisdom is the beginning of God's ways in the sense that "she contained within herself either the beginnings or forms or species of all creation."

Read widely, think deeply, seek Wisdom, and be enlightened. CM

SOURCES:

• Maurice Dowling, “Proverbs 8:22–31 in the Christology of the Early Fathers,” Irish Biblical Studies 24 (June, 2002): 99–117.
• Justin, Dialogue with Trypho (Dialogus cum Tryphone) 61.3–5, in The Ante- Nicean Fathers, ed. Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson (Repr. Peabody: Hendrick- son, 1994), 1:227–228).
• Athenagoras, Legatio pro Christianis 10.3 (ANF 2:133).
• Tertullian, Against Praxeas (Adversus Praxean) 6–7 (ANF 3:9.601–602).

Well, if you talk as if you have God's perspective whereas I and other humans only have human perspective, then you must be of a different level (God-level) of skill or insight which us other limited humans just do not have.

Btw, I was a rather passionate preacher and defender of the trinity doctrine during my earlier years ... and at least engaged in biblical study and exchange with non trinitarians ... I know by personal experience the errors and deceptions in which trinitarians are caught .... 😉

Eusebius also has the wording "make disciples of all nations in my name" in quite a number of his earlier writings from before the council of Nicea (325 AD) ....no command to baptize mentioned there, and no mention of a trinitarian "Father, Son and Holy Spirit" idea either.

The matter would be comical if it were not so seriously consequential.

We have a few blind men groping their way scholarly along an elephant, declaring a lot of descriptive nonsense; while seeing people make delightful sense out of the owners' manual. But a foolish blind man cannot comprehend being able to see and will continue his defense of the elephant in the dark.

No watch determined blind Wolfgang pop back with, "Same to you only more of it" as expected (or the equivalent) as expected. But that is better than poor blind and deaf Rondo who can't even hear. Then you have Legalistic Bill and Cream Puff Waffle CM. Makes me wonder what you all think of me.

In forums that expect participants to "criticize ideas, not people," judgments about "blind Wolfgang," "poor blind and deaf Rondo," "legalistic Bill," and "Cream Puff Rondo" aren't appropriate, which in my view means that what any of us thinks of you isn't germane. You've decided to post here, which means you deserve our respect as a child of God and a fellow follower of Jesus. No more needs to or should be said.

Now as to your and our respective views, those are another matter, of course; such are the life's blood of our interactions.