Supersessionism: The truth of Romans 11

C McC Mc Posts: 3,660

What is supersessionism? However it is defined, does it means all Jews are condemned or loss? CM

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  • WolfgangWolfgang Posts: 2,896

    I have no Idea what "supersessoinism" is ... never heard or read this term before.

    Rom 11 does not mean that ALL (without exception) "Jews" are condemned nor does it mean that ALL (without exception) "Jews" will be saved and non condemned.

    Biblical evidence in NT scriptures plainly states that there were "Jews" (some places described as "the circumcision") saved and now part of the called out of God. Same evidence shows that there were "Jews"" (those of "the circumcision") who were condemned.

    Rom 11 indicates that ALL of the Jews will be saved IN THE SAME MANNER as salvation is open to the Gentiles ...that is, by believing in Jesus as the God sent promised Messiah !!! Those Jews who rejected Jesus as the Messiah are condemned and lost ... their racial background or national descendancy from the twelve tribes is NOT what saves them from condemnation, nor does it make them to be part of the called out of God.

  • @C Mc What is supersessionism?

    @Wolfgang I have no Idea what "supersessoinism" is ... never heard or read this term before.

    Logos Basic Search of all resources for {Headword Supersessionism} found 10 definitions in my Logos library, which included:

    Supersessionism

    The derogatory term, used especially by Jewish scholars and others involved in Jewish studies, to describe the Biblical belief that NT Christianity is the fulfilment and completed significance of OT teachings. Statements such as Christ’s in John 14:6 or Peter’s in Acts 4:12 would be labelled supersessionist. The term is a handy tool to stir up Jewish opposition to the gospel by teaching that Christianity supersedes Judaism. This carries the connotation of Christian triumphalism and of the removal of the religion of the OT. In fact, the NT speaks of the clearly temporary economy of the OT finding its full and final meaning and expression in Christ and His gospel. This, for example, is the great theme of the book of Hebrews.

     Alan Cairns, Dictionary of Theological Terms (Belfast; Greenville, SC: Ambassador Emerald International, 2002), 441–442.

    SUPERSESSIONISM. See Judaism.

     William A. Dyrness and Veli-Matti Kärkkäinen, eds., “Supersessionism,” Global Dictionary of Theology: A Resource for the Worldwide Church (Downers Grove, IL: IVP Academic: An Imprint of InterVarsity Press, 2008), 863.

    JUDAISM

    Of all the world’s religions, Judaism stands in a unique relationship to Christianity. Because it began as a protest within Judaism, Christianity must explain and understand itself in relationship to what became its alter, while the reverse is not the case. Judaism has no need to consider, interpret or take account of Christianity, or any other extant religion, in order to understand itself properly. Judaism is theologically self-contained, while Christianity is dependent upon Judaism for its identity because it claims to worship the God of Israel. Similarly, *Islam must interpret itself in relation to both Judaism and Christianity, because it too claims to worship Israel’s God, creator of heaven and earth. Basically, Judaism and Christianity disagree on the doctrine of *God. In this argument, Muslims side with Jews but believe that they have corrupted divine revelation. Here our focus will be on the Jewish-Christian argument.

    An analogous disagreement obtains between *Buddhism and *Hinduism. Buddhism is reacting against Hindu philosophical claims and textual authority, as Mahayana Buddhism reacted against earlier Hinayana Buddhism about the path to salvation and the nature of ultimate reality. Analogously, Protestantism reacted against Catholicism’s claims about the authority of the church. In each case, the later development must rationalize its legitimacy theologically or philosophically over against the earlier, while the earlier tradition has no theological or philosophical need to account for interpretations of its claims that fall beyond its pale. When the successor interpretation gains headway it becomes imprudent to argue back. Understanding what came later is rather a courtesy than a necessity. At the same time, in the case of Judaism and Christianity, because the attitudes and behavior of Christians toward Jews—many of which grew out of theological interpretation of Scripture in light of events in first-century Palestine—became violent and contemptuous, the subsequent history that these two traditions share affected the way Jews understand others and their traditions. Sustained and severe Christian criticism of Judaism did not generally arouse self-doubt among Jews as Christians hoped, but distrust of and antipathy toward Christians and Christianity. Sustained Christian diatribe, civil disabilities and violence were often designed to convert Jews, but often failed. Conversion to Christianity was seen as a sign of moral weakness and betrayal by the Jewish community.

    This creates an asymmetry when talking about Judaism and Christianity. For this reason, this article will proceed in two sections. The first will present Judaism on its own terms and the second will view it in Christian perspective.

    1. Judaism on Jewish Terms

    2. Judaism on Christian Terms

    3. Conclusion

    ...

     Ellen T. Charry, “Judaism,” ed. William A. Dyrness and Veli-Matti Kärkkäinen, Global Dictionary of Theology: A Resource for the Worldwide Church (Downers Grove, IL: IVP Academic: An Imprint of InterVarsity Press, 2008), 434.


    @C Mc However it is defined, does it means all Jews are condemned or loss?

    Romans 11 is consistent with Ezekiel 18 (individually judged) and Matthew 7:21-23 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘ יהוה , יהוה ’ will enter into the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘ יהוה יהוה , did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many miracles in your name?’ And then I will say to them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Depart from me, you who practice lawlessness!’ Matthew 7:21-23 (LEB with יהוה simple substitution for Lord) that is also consistent with: Think this in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, existing in the form of יהוה , did not consider being equal with יהוה something to be grasped, but emptied himself by taking the form of a slave, by becoming in the likeness of people. And being found in appearance like a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, that is, death on a cross. Therefore also יהוה exalted him and graciously granted him the name above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven and of those on earth and of those under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is יהוה , to the glory of יהוה the Father. Philippians 2:5-11 (LEB with Lord God's Holy Hebrew name יהוה simple substitution for Lord & God)

    Jesus existing in the form of יהוה is consistent with Jesus experiencing יהוה Glory & Love at יהוה The Father's side before Righteous יהוה created the physical realm out of nothing: John 17:5 & John 17:24


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