Vote Counter Fraud?

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  • WolfgangWolfgang Posts: 3,029

    “I do believe that there is voter fraud taking place in these places otherwise they would allow the observers to go in. When you have claims of you know 10000 people who don’t live in the State of Nevada, err, having voted in Nevada, you have the video showing where people … they either duplicating a spoiled ballot right there or they’re in the process of just marking a ballot that came in blank for a voter, that’s a process that needs to be observed by election observers. State law allows those observers to be in there and if they are not than the law is not being followed making this an illegitimate election”. ( James E. Trainor, Federal Election Commission (FEC) of the USA)

    Source: https://sciencefiles.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Federal-election-commission.mp4?_=3

  • WolfgangWolfgang Posts: 3,029

    Seems like more "dark nebulous secrets are coming to light?

  • WolfgangWolfgang Posts: 3,029

    Some more information from some people whom one would not count as and dispose as "conspiracy THEORISTS", or?

  • WolfgangWolfgang Posts: 3,029
    edited November 2020

    Some excerpts from the article ... a few points to simply think about and make up your own mind:

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    If following all of this is too demanding for your time and energy, fall back on common sense: 

    Consider that Joe Biden’s Twitter account has 20 million followers. Trump’s Twitter account has 88.8 million followers.

    Consider that Joe Biden’s Facebook account has 7.78 million followers. Trump’s Facebook account has 34.72 million followers.

    How likely is it that a person with four to five times the following of his rival lost the election?

    Consider that Joe Biden, declared by the biased presstitutes to be president by landslide, gave a Thanksgiving Day message and only 1,000 people watched his live statement. Where is the enthusiasm?

    Consider that Trump’s campaign appearances were heavily attended and that Biden’s were avoided. Somehow a candidate who could not draw supporters to his campaign appearances won the presidency.

    Consider that despite Biden’s total failure to animate voters during the presidential campaign, he received 15 million more votes than Barack Obama did in his 2012 re-election. 

    Consider that Biden won despite underperforming Hillary Clinton’s 2016 vote in every urban US county, but outperformed Clinton in Democrat-controlled Detroit, Milwaukee, Atlanta, and Philadelphia, the precise cities where the most obvious and most blatant electoral fraud was committed.

    Consider that Biden won despite receiving a record low share of the Democrat primary vote compared to Trump’s share of the Republican primary vote.

    Consider that Biden won despite Trump bettering his 2016 vote by ten million votes and Trump’s record support from minority voters.

    Consider that Biden won despite losing the bellwether counties that have always predicted the election outcome and the bellwether states of Ohio and Florida.

    Consider that Biden won in Georgia, a completely red state with a red governor and legislature both House and Senate. Somehow a red state voted for a blue president.

    Consider that Biden won despite the Democrats losing representation in the House.

    Consider that in Pennsylvania 47 memory cards containing more than 50,000 votes are missing.

    Consider that in Pennsylvania 1.8 million ballots were mailed out to voters, but 2.5 million mail-in ballots were counted. 

    Consider that the presstitutes have zero interest in this massive list of improbables.

    Consider that the pressititues, the Democrats, the social media and tech executives, and universities have far more loyalty to getting Trump out of office regardless of the means than they have to democratic outcomes and fair elections. The massive fraud of the 2020 election was only possible because the liberal part of America has divorced American values and has no respect for them. The American liberal is no longer liberal. He has morphed into a fascist who suppresses speech and denies legitimacy to other opinions. Indeed, liberals are so hostile to electoral integrity that they want those who bring evidence of electoral fraud to be imprisoned— https://nonperele.com/nolte-rachel-maddow-says-people-who-contest-elections-should-go-to-jail/ 

    It is educated Americans brainwashed by Critical Race Theory and Identity Politics who are liberals, not the working class who are the real Americans. Red state people are Americans. Blue state people are not. Blue state people demonize real Americans and have branded them racists and misogynists. Real Americans—the majority of the population—are “the Trump deplorables.”  

    The Real Americans have just had their democracy stolen from them by people who have no integrity and no honor.  

    If the stolen election stands, America falls.

    ...

  • reformedreformed Posts: 3,014

    I normally don't like PCR, but he is spot on here. This doesn't pass the common sense or logic test. There is no way this election is on the level.

  • Bill_ColeyBill_Coley Posts: 2,205

    Since Wolfgang's latest quotation of other sources has generated a comment from @reformed, the other election truther in these forums, I'll have a go at the cited Roberts' assertions. Chances are neither of you gentlemen will choose to respond directly to my critique:


    Consider that Joe Biden’s Twitter account has 20 million followers. Trump’s Twitter account has 88.8 million followers.... Consider that Joe Biden’s Facebook account has 7.78 million followers. Trump’s Facebook account has 34.72 million followers.... How likely is it that a person with four to five times the following of his rival lost the election?

    So Twitter and Facebook followers predict vote margins. Did NOT know that.

    The artist Justin Bieber has 113.1 million Twitter followers, which is more than President Trump's 88.8 million. Thank God Bieber didn't run right?! (And don't get me started about Katy Perry's 108.9 million followers. She's like the musical Kamala Harris.)

    Former President Barack Obama has 125.9 million Twitter followers, which is even more than Bieber's and Perry's totals. Thank God presidents can't run for a third term!


    Consider that Joe Biden, declared by the biased presstitutes to be president by landslide, gave a Thanksgiving Day message and only 1,000 people watched his live statement. Where is the enthusiasm?

    Donald Trump characterized his 2016 win as a "MASSIVE electoral college landslide victory." Mr. Trump's winning margin was 306-232, the SAME margin by which Mr. Biden won the 2020 election. I personally don't think 306-232 is a landslide, but Mr. Trump thought it was. Was HE wrong, Mr. Roberts?

    Roberts' claim that the Biden Thanksgiving speech was viewed by only 1,000 people is false. The NBC feed of the speech had 450,000 views. The Biden campaign website's feed logged more than 100,000 views. There were other viewing platforms as well.

    And Thanksgiving video views predict voter turnout? Did not know THAT either.


    Consider that Trump’s campaign appearances were heavily attended and that Biden’s were avoided. Somehow a candidate who could not draw supporters to his campaign appearances won the presidency.

    Mr. Roberts apparently does not remember that the Biden-Harris campaign committed itself to following public health expert guidelines in its campaign events, guidelines which called for small, socially distanced, masked, and outside gatherings, if people were to gather at all, and remote events if possible. The Trump-Pence campaign eschewed those guidelines, and welcomed thousands of unmasked people to stand shoulder-to-shoulder at its rallies. If Mr. Roberts needs assistance recalling the effects of the Trump-Pence campaign rally strategy, he can contact Herman Cain... who died from COVID after attending Mr. Trump's indoor rally in Tulsa, or any of the more 30,000 people whose COVID cases (including more than 700 deaths) Stanford University researchers have traced back to Trump rallies.


    Consider that despite Biden’s total failure to animate voters during the presidential campaign, he received 15 million more votes than Barack Obama did in his 2012 re-election. 

    Barack Obama won 51.1% of the 126 million votes cast in the 2012 election.

    According to the Associated Press, so far, Joe Biden has won 51.1% of the 157 million votes cast in the 2020 election.

    So Biden has won SAME percentage of the vote as Obama won in 2012, but Biden won that same percentage of 31 million more voters. Mr. Roberts just needs to do the math.


    Consider that Biden won despite underperforming Hillary Clinton’s 2016 vote in every urban US county, but outperformed Clinton in Democrat-controlled Detroit, Milwaukee, Atlanta, and Philadelphia, the precise cities where the most obvious and most blatant electoral fraud was committed.

    This story is also false. The good folks at Townhall.com published a story making this claim, but then had to acknowledge that its story had "jumped the gun." Townhall has since corrected its errors.

    There is NO evidence of widespread, consequential voter fraud ANYWHERE in the country. Court ruling after court ruling - many VERY explicitly - has said so.


    Consider that Biden won despite receiving a record low share of the Democrat primary vote compared to Trump’s share of the Republican primary vote.

    Mr. Roberts doesn't seem to remember that Mr. Biden ran against several other credible primary opponents, while Mr. Trump ran without serious opposition. It is therefore not at all surprising that Mr. Biden won a smaller percentage of the Democratic primary vote than Mr. Trump won of the Republican primary vote.

    And comparative primary vote percentages predict vote margins? Did not know THAT either. (It turns out there's a LOT I did not know about vote margin predictors!)


    Consider that Biden won despite Trump bettering his 2016 vote by ten million votes and Trump’s record support from minority voters.

    Mr. Trump won 46.1% of the 139 million votes cast in 2016. In 2020 so far, he's won 47.1% of 157 million votes. So a higher percentage of a great number of total votes. Again Mr. Roberts need only do the math.


    Consider that Biden won despite losing the bellwether counties that have always predicted the election outcome and the bellwether states of Ohio and Florida.

    Bellweather counties can be wrong.


    Consider that Biden won in Georgia, a completely red state with a red governor and legislature both House and Senate. Somehow a red state voted for a blue president.

    Mr Roberts apparently hasn't kept informed as to the changes in Georgia's political demographics. John Osoff came close to winning the governor's office two years ago. He'll win or come even closer this year in his senate race. Georgia is now a purple state, on its way to blue.


    Consider that Biden won despite the Democrats losing representation in the House.

    It's legal in most, I dare say ALL, states to vote split tickets. Voters may legally vote for candidates of different political parties. Mr. Trump lost for lots of reasons, but at the root of his troubles was that he was unpopular with the electorate at large, his favorability rating in the country hovering in the low- to mid-40s throughout the vast majority of his term.


    Consider that in Pennsylvania 47 memory cards containing more than 50,000 votes are missing.

    As best as I can discern, this is the claim of one Pennsylvania resident. There is no objective proof of his allegations, or that if they are true, the missing cards changed the result of Pennsylvania's election.


    Consider that in Pennsylvania 1.8 million ballots were mailed out to voters, but 2.5 million mail-in ballots were counted. 

    Mr. Roberts didn't track these numbers carefully enough. In Pennsylvania this year, 1.8 million mail-in ballots were requested for the primary election, while 2.5 (actually 2.6) million mail-in ballots were returned for the general election. As the Washington Post reports, this claim "conflates" primary and general election numbers, which of course, can lead to falsehoods such as this one.


    Consider that the presstitutes have zero interest in this massive list of improbables.

    Given the results of the fact check I just conducted on them, I'd call this a "massive list of false and misleading claims." Had either of you taken ten minutes to fact check these claims, gentlemen, you would have discovered for yourselves their negligible relationship with the truth. But truth be told, I'm not surprised that neither of you did so.


    [THE REST OF THE QUOTATION FROM MR. ROBERTS' ESSAY DOES NOT DESERVE THE DIGNITY OF ANYONE'S CRITIQUE. IT'S PARTISAN POLITICAL GARBAGE.... SURPRISE, SURPRISE.]

  • WolfgangWolfgang Posts: 3,029

    A small side comment ...

    @Bill_Coley mentioned

    the Biden-Harris campaign committed itself to following public health expert guidelines in its campaign events, guidelines which called for small, socially distanced, masked, and outside gatherings, if people were to gather at all, and remote events if possible. The Trump-Pence campaign eschewed those guidelines, and welcomed thousands of unmasked people to stand shoulder-to-shoulder at its rallies.

    And what actually did those two approaches prove regarding the "public health expert guidelines"??? IF such guidelines were anything but a public stupidity show, one would have had hundreds or thousands of Covid-19 sick people and many "corona dead" folks after Trump campaigns ... but is that what happened? NO!!!

    Folks, those campaign meetings with unmasked and close together crowds PROVED and provided first hand evidence that the Corona restrictions aree utter non-sense and nothing more than the measures taken by thos

  • WolfgangWolfgang Posts: 3,029
    edited December 2020

    How the Election Was Stolen in Michigan

    Paul Craig Roberts

    This is an extremely important explanation of the Computer Algorithm used in Michigan to commit election fraud, which is organized fraud committed by election officials, not fraud committed by voters. Experts give a clear explanation in the video below, but it is often helpful to have an overview before the lesson begins. I will have a shot at providing one: Experts show that the higher the percentage of Republicans in a voting precinct, the lower the percent of the vote that went to Trump. The lower the percentage of Republicans in a precinct, the higher the percent of the vote to Trump. Trump starts off doing well in non-Republican precincts, but as the precincts become more Republican, he does less and less well. Trump’s vote goes from doing 7% to 12% better than the Republican vote in heavy Democrat precincts to 25% worse than the Republican vote in heavy Republican precincts. The only explanation for the decline in Trump’s vote as the precincts become more heavily Republican is vote-weighting in which votes are allocated not by how they are cast but by computer algorithm.

    Despite the false statements by Dominion and the presstitutes, the voting machines have a feature described in the Dominion manual itself that permits the vote to be weighted in order to favor one candidate over the other. For example, 0.7% of a vote can be allocated to one candidate and 0.3% of the vote to another regardless of how it was cast. There is conclusive proof that this was done in the November 3, 2020, election.

    Notice that it is a person of Indian descent and a black American who are defending our democracy from the white liberal-left. The enemy of Americans are not blacks or Russians or Chinese or Iranians. Our enemies are the White Liberals and the leftwing Identity Politics facists. These self-hating whites hate white people who they demonize as racists. These self-hating whites are dupes of the Establishment who use them to destroy democracy and accountable government, which the Establishment regards as being in the way of the Establishment’s agendas. The white liberal-left are enabling the elite’s destruction of American democracy.  

    Watch this video presentation and you will completely understand how the election was stolen. You will be able to explain the election theft clearly to others. Some people, of course, want the election to be stolen, because they are willing to sacrifice democracy to getting rid of Trump. Ideologues are not touched by fact or evidence. Ideologues are irrational emotional people secure in their hatreds. It is these people who are our enemies.  

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztu5Y5obWPk

  • Bill_ColeyBill_Coley Posts: 2,205

    @Wolfgang posted:

    And AGAIN I ask you: Did you read the Stanford paper to which I linked in an earlier post in this thread? If you didn't, on what basis did you make judgments about the researchers' methodology and conclusions?


    How the Election Was Stolen in Michigan

    You post falsehood after falsehood after falsehood after falsehood after falsehood, Wolfgang. Then when I demonstrate the falsehood of your posts - as I did in THIS POST, and countless others over the years - you refuse to engage, refuse even to mention the evidence I presented. Instead, in something of a game of forensic whack-a-mole, you simply post the next falsehood.

    I made a mistake believing that we could have constructive engagement about the objective facts of the 2020 election; we cannot do so because you are committed, apparently beyond rehabilitation, to falsehoods. I regret my entry into this discussion with you, and I hereby return to hibernation on social and political matters.

    One final reminder: The falsehoods you post are and will remain false, whether anyone points them out, or you acknowledge them as such.

  • WolfgangWolfgang Posts: 3,029

    Video shows poll workers pulling out suitcases of ballots | Georgia election hearing | NTD

    98,070 views •Dec 3, 2020

  • WolfgangWolfgang Posts: 3,029
    edited December 2020

    Hmn .... I suppose witness testimony is no longer of real value in the case of more and more obvious vote counting fraud in favor of Biden/Harris???

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  • WolfgangWolfgang Posts: 3,029

    Georgia vote counting figures ....

    Interesting and highly unusual ( improbable !! ) is the spike of Biden votes ...at exactly the time frame when the 4 suspect helpers were alone at the counting station ....

  • reformedreformed Posts: 3,014

    Everyone knows the score here. Democrats are cheaters.

  • WolfgangWolfgang Posts: 3,029
    edited December 2020

    Interesting facts concerning election voting results in counties where "Dominion" voting machines => Biden 78% ?? 😉 😨 😉



  • WolfgangWolfgang Posts: 3,029

    Christmas magic ... a little earlier this year and only for certain candidates 😉🤩

  • WolfgangWolfgang Posts: 3,029

    There seems to be more coming forth, even after the USSC comments on the lawsuit of Texas and other States involving the matter of vote fraud. Anyone have some more direct input on developments in the USA? Mainstream media over here have gone rather silent recently ... and some are even voicing ever so softly what has been mentioned until now concerning "the Biden camp" only by sources loudly defamed as "conspiracy theorists" .... this silence is almost deafening.

  • WolfgangWolfgang Posts: 3,029

    The swamp appears to be expanding .... how can this be? Is this gentleman, senator Rand Paul, from Kentucky "just babbling non-sense? I would think he would know what he is talking about.

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