September 11,2001 - the official story revisited

Hello folks ,

some thoughts concerning the official story of the September 11, 2001 events and what to make of it.


You know perhaps about the simple but well established little "duck test" which states: If a bird walks like a duck, swims like a duck, quacks like a duck, that bird is a duck!!

Applied to the events of September 11, 2001 it means: If the collapse of buildings looks like a controlled demolition, the collapse is a controlled demolition. This of course already means that the official story which the public is supposed to believe, namely that Osama bin Laden is the responsible culprit, can NOT be true.

When we take a look at the actions and what the US department of Justice has NOT done, the matter becomes also very clear. The US department of Justice has NEVER put out a search for Osama bin Laden for the September 11, 2001 attacks, and also has NEVER charged him for those attacks !

When asked by journalists why the FBI was had not issued a search warrant for bin Laden in the case of the September 11, 2001 attacks, the answer was because there was NO evidence for is complicity in this event!

Now, in a state under the rule of law, a person is considered INNOCENT until evidence has been presented and the person has been proven guilty. IF there is no evidence against Osama bin Laden, then obviously he and al-quaeda did not commit this mass murder but someone else did.

Interestingly, bin Laden from the start declared that he had nothing to do with these events and that powers within the USA conducted the attacks.

Later on, the Taliban even offered to hand over bin Laden if the USA would provide evidence for his guilt. The then secretary Colin Powell promised to produce the evidence, but NEVER did.

Instead, the USA and NATO-allies started a war of aggression against Agfhanistan which is still ongoing after 18 years ... and all because of a lie!!


Translated excerpt from a German language blog: Alles Schall und Rauch: Sascha Lobo lebt wirklich in der Verschwörungsgalaxie http://alles-schallundrauch.blogspot.com/2019/09/sascha-lobo-lebt-wirklich-in-der.html#ixzz609djgeEw

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  • Bill_ColeyBill_Coley Posts: 1,690

    @Wolfgang posted:

    Instead, the USA and NATO-allies started a war of aggression against Agfhanistan which is still ongoing after 18 years ... and all because of a lie!!


    The article you translate reads as if it was written long ago, at least before bin Laden's death at the hands of American Special Operations forces in 2011. More important, it asserts facts that I don't believe are true, or at least, that I can't prove true in my research.


    When asked by journalists why the FBI was had not issued a search warrant for bin Laden in the case of the September 11, 2001 attacks, the answer was because there was NO evidence for is complicity in this event!

    I can find no evidence that this is true, or that the FBI ever made such an pronouncement. According to my research, the FBI and other investigative authorities quickly focused on bin Laden. Please provide a link to fact-based support for this assertion.


    Interestingly, bin Laden from the start declared that he had nothing to do with these events and that powers within the USA conducted the attacks.

    Just as a matter of logic, independent of the details of the 9/11 attacks, the fact that a person denies committing a crime does not necessarily mean he or she did not commit that crime.

    More to the point of bin Laden's claims of responsibility for the 9/11 attacks, we know he in fact DID claim responsibility for the attacks in a video first broadcast on October 29, 2004.



    Later on, the Taliban even offered to hand over bin Laden if the USA would provide evidence for his guilt. The then secretary Colin Powell promised to produce the evidence, but NEVER did.

    According to my research, the Taliban's offer to "hand over" bin Laden did not come "later on," but rather very quickly, in mid-October 2001. Further, that offer was NOT to hand bin Laden over to the U.S. but rather to a third country that would never "come under pressure from the United States." Because the Bush administration demanded bin Laden's unconditional handover, it rejected the offer. [And please note that the AP article to which I link here says U.S. bombing attacks in Afghanistan began October 7, 2001, "after weeks of pressing the Taliban to give up bin Laden unconditionally," which means the U.S. did indeed have evidence of his "complicity" in the attacks VERY early on.]



    These are basic facts, Wolfgang, that anyone could verify with a few Google searches. As I noted above, the article reads like something written many years ago, at a time when the Internet might not have been as widely accessible as it is today. Nonetheless, there was no more evidence for these dubious/false assertions of fact then than there is today. I hope there comes a day when you demand fact-based, not speculation-based, support for the claims made by the conspiracy theorists you read.

  • WolfgangWolfgang Posts: 2,026

    The article you translate reads as if it was written long ago, at least before bin Laden's death at the hands of American Special Operations forces in 2011. More important, it asserts facts that I don't believe are true, or at least, that I can't prove true in my research.

    article was written 20 September 2019.

    As for Osama bin Laden's death, he died according to non-USA sources in December 2001 from his severe kidney problems. Also, in September 2001, he was in Pakistan in hospital for dialysis treatment - which obviously the CIA and other secret services knew - and could have easily been arrested there ... but such would of course have "ruined" the already ongoing plans and deployment of USA troops for the already scheduled attack on Afghanistan as opening of "global war on terror" (a linguistic fabrication of certain deep state forces in the USA.

    I can find no evidence that this is true, or that the FBI ever made such an pronouncement. According to my research, the FBI and other investigative authorities quickly focused on bin Laden. Please provide a link to fact-based support for this assertion.

    Of course one can not find a FBI document or search warrant for bin Laden for September 11, 2001 attacks ... because there was never one issued. Bin Laden was wanted and arrest warrant was out by the FBI for supposed involvement in attacks on embassy buildings in East Africa several years prior to 2001.

    More to the point of bin Laden's claims of responsibility for the 9/11 attacks, we know he in fact DID claim responsibility for the attacks in a video first broadcast on October 29, 2004.

    Since bin Laden was already dead for almost 3 years, the various videos which supposedly show him which were publicized by CIA and media are fake and have been proven to be such by various independent non-USA sources. It seems that in 2011, it became no longer possible for the CIA and USA aggencies to keep up the "bin Laden threat" with fake videos, so they fabricated the "special forces killing/murder of bin Laden" ... that story in itself is so full of holes and inconsistencies (= obvious lies) that only the well programmed could or would believe it. What is claimed to have happened in 2011 is "a mediocre Hollywood production"

    Because the Bush administration demanded bin Laden's unconditional handover, it rejected the offer.

    And why would the Cheney-Bush regime demand such? Because they had no other means due to lack of evidence?

    [And please note that the AP article to which I link here says U.S. bombing attacks in Afghanistan began October 7, 2001, "after weeks of pressing the Taliban to give up bin Laden unconditionally," which means the U.S. did indeed have evidence of his "complicity" in the attacks VERY early on.]

    Did you not notice how revealing this article is by mentioning the starting date of the war against Afganistan?? October 7 is only 3,5 weeks after September 11 !! And in 3 weeks plus a few days everything was accomplished from a decision to attack, to beginning planning details for the attack, to deploying the necessary equipment for the attack, etc etc ? Do you remember how many months the Bush sen. regime needed to start a war against Iraq in a similar geographic area of the world? Remember, Afghanistan is not located just north, east, south or west of the USA borders or coasts ...

    It is obvious to anyone still thinking somewhat reasonably and logically in these matters, that the attack on Afghanistan had been in the plans already long before September 11, 2001 ... it then took an "initial event" to sell to the USA public "a reason for war" ... because I am pretty sure that the vast majority of USA citizens has absolutely no interest to sacrifice their young people in these wars of aggression.

  • WolfgangWolfgang Posts: 2,026

    Jeff J. Brown

    11 September 2019

    Crosslinked with:

    https://chinarising.puntopress.com/2019/09/20/9-11-the-deep-state-false-flag-that-keeps-on-condoning-western-terrorism-at-home-and-around-the-world-china-rising-radio-sinoland-190911/

    https://youtu.be/8k6jjP1Ez0E

    https://soundcloud.com/44-days/911-the-deep-state-false-flag-that-keeps-on-condoning-western-terrorism-at-home-and-around-the-world


    Pictured above: In 2010, I saw the 23-second clip of the 52-story World Trade Center 7 collapsing and was gob smacked. As a certified science teacher with a good knowledge of physics, I could tell it was brought down by controlled demolition, with thermite cuts seen and heard on the face of the building, during its six-second freefall – saying to myself, “What the fugg?”. Unlike Harry Potter, you can’t suspend universal laws of physics. It was the beginning of my long and painful journey into the dark, evil heart of Western empire. As much as the bitter truth hurts, I’ve never looked back.

    Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. – Bertrand Russell

    In Book #2 of The China Trilogy, China Rising, I completely destroyed the official story about what happened on September 11, 2001. I am a certified science teacher and understand physics well. In 2010, after seeing the above clip of the 52-story WTC 7 coming down in free fall by controlled demolition, it was like becoming an actor in a Sherlock Holmes murder thriller. When one alibi is destroyed, the whole caper eventually gets exposed to the white light of truth. Unfortunately in this case, the culprits have not been brought to justice – yet.

    After years of research and thousands of hours of investigation, I discovered just how evil and psychopathic Western elites really are, in their lust for power, property, capital and resources. To those ends, they pummel world citizens into fearful sheeple, with an endless cascade of false flag “terrorism” and “mass shootings”. No one wants to admit the bitter truth, but I refuse to live the rest of my life as a brainwashed, heavily-in-debt, super-consuming, useful idiot. We only get one chance on this planet and since 2010, my head has been held high.

    The West’s neocons had been howling for years for a new Pearl Harbor (Project for the New American Century – PNAC) to shock the people into accepting global warfare on resource rich countries across Asia, from North Korea in the East to Libya in the West. Remember full spectrum dominance and George W. Bush’s grotesque “Axis of Evil”? With 9/11, these elite perps got the cowed public’s carte blanche to massacre, starve and sanction countless millions, destroy and occupy countries of their choosing, in order to steal the locals’ resources, plunder public treasuries for trillions of dollars and euros, via inflated “security” and corrupt arms contracts. A quick look at today’s headlines and world map shows just how lethal 9/11 was and is for millions of dark-skinned, mostly Muslim innocents around the world.

    George Orwell wrote that the fascism of empire overseas always comes back to the home countries, to keep the natives just as oppressed as the colonies. It’s the only way the capitalist class can keep on robbing the citizens blind, as they are slowly driven into poverty and despair. Thus, 9/11 gave the elites the perceived mandate to shred civil and legal rights across Eurangloland. Using 9/11 as a wrecking ball, the Patriot Act and successive National Defense Authorization Acts (NDAA) have suborned Western constitutions into hollow charades. Your governments can detain you, search you and your property, seize your property, torture, disappear and kill you, with the stroke of a pen and without a shred of evidence. You are just getting a taste of Western, dystopian, police state destitution and government orchestrated propaganda, fear and loathing. It is going to get much, much worse. Hats off to author Suzanne Collins for her Hunger Games books. Art imitating life. That’s exactly where Euranglolanders are heading. Welcome to Panem, bay-bee.

    Cui bono 9/11? Not you, that’s for sure. If you still cling to the absurd conspiracy theory that a gaggle of amateur Arabs with box cutters shut down the U.S.’s entire North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), you are in the dwindling minority. Latest polls show that a majority of Americans think their government is hiding the truth about 9/11. Well, DUH!

    Alea iacta est. The die is cast and unfortunately, much damage has already been done, both at home and abroad. But with eyes wide open, we can all hope for an eventual Nuremburg-style crimes-against-humanity court to seek necessary justice and cloture, then we can work towards a more noble future for all of humankind.

    Quit being a dupe and a patsy. The truth shall set you free. With dignity and awareness, you can hold your head high.

  • Bill_ColeyBill_Coley Posts: 1,690
    edited September 22

    @Wolfgang posted:

    As for Osama bin Laden's death, he died according to non-USA sources in December 2001 from his severe kidney problems. Also, in September 2001, he was in Pakistan in hospital for dialysis treatment - which obviously the CIA and other secret services knew - and could have easily been arrested there ... 

    Your response to my previous post, Wolfgang, is so filled with falsehoods, conspiracy theories, and other baseless speculation that it renders useless and a waste of time my further participation in this exchange. Fruitful exchanges of ideas require a common ground constructed of agreed-to core facts. Your assertion of and reliance upon blatant falsehoods as fact make such common ground all but impossible.

  • reformedreformed Posts: 2,463

    This is disgusting.

  • WolfgangWolfgang Posts: 2,026
    edited September 22

    Your response to my previous post, Wolfgang, is so filled with falsehoods, conspiracy theories, and other baseless speculation that it renders useless and a waste of time my further participation in this exchange. Fruitful exchanges of ideas require a common ground constructed of agreed-to core facts. Your assertion of and reliance upon blatant falsehoods as fact make such common ground all but impossible.


    Well ... such is life. Even when the facts are in plain sight, they might be disregarded and called "conspiracy theories" while at the same time believing the real conspiracy theory ...

    I suppose that the expert testimony of now thousands of architects and other specialist in the field is worthless in the face of a report that was assembled by political power, and that despite the fact that the political story flat out contradicts known plain facts about gravity and physics in general?

    Same goes for many NYC fire brigade members and commissioners who are to throw out their first hand eye and ear witness in favor of a political non-sense story??

    I am no longer surprised at what false patriotism and believing in political authority can do to sincere and well meaning people ... 😓

    Using 9/11 as a wrecking ball, the Patriot Act and successive National Defense Authorization Acts (NDAA) have suborned Western constitutions into hollow charades. Your governments can detain you, search you and your property, seize your property, torture, disappear and kill you, with the stroke of a pen and without a shred of evidence.

    Do USA folks not realize what has happened to them since and is getting worse?

    By the way, in case some think I was interested in letting the culprits responsible for the murder of thousands of USA citizens and others getting away with this terrible crime .... I am NOT! However, the real culprits have managed to dupe the American people and most of the rest of the Western world under their rule ... I pray and hope, that the USA people will wake up from propaganda imposed slumber and bring the real culprits among them in top echelons to justice (if such is indeed possible)

  • C_M_C_M_ Posts: 3,102

    9/11, I am still wondering, after all these years:

    1. Tell me, how those buildings came down so fast within minutes of each other? 
    2. Where are the fragments of the planes (engines) and "Black-boxes"?
    3. Why and how did the towels turned into power before falling?
    4. Where are the buildings fragments? If in the ocean or river, why add pollution to it?
    5. Would it be unthinkable to say there were body parts and no one gathered them?
    6. What the burn-time or the intensity of jet fuel? 

    a). Does jet fuel turns brick into powder?

    b). What about the area where there were no jet fuel spillage ?

    c).  Can jet fuel melt gold bars? 

    d).  What the needed temperature to melt gold bars?

    e).  Can jet fuel melt, iron, metal, steel, copper, etc.? If so, at what rate and speed?


    ON SECOND THOUGHTS:

    1. What flammable materials were a part of the two buildings?
    2. Were there any thermo-nuclear materials involved (stored, dropped, or planted) in the collapsing of the two buildings?
    3. Was the WTC pre-wired, for a control collapse, long before the planes crash into them?
    4. Why didn't the buildings topper-over instead of collapsing?
    5. How did they know, exactly how many people died in those buildings?
    6. Are names listed are just emergency workers, cops, "first responders", etc.? Could it be that there are number of unknown dead?
    7. Was the collapse of the towels a pre-text to go-to-war?
    8. Who are the owners of the WTC?
    9. Whatever become of the company that insured the WTC?
    10. How much was paid out, if anything?

    Are there reasonable or scientific answers to my questions? I hope, I have not been influenced, too much, by the "conspiracy theories", around this matter. However, I still want to know, even now. CM

  • WolfgangWolfgang Posts: 2,026

    Are there reasonable or scientific answers to my questions? I hope, I have not been influenced, too much, by the "conspiracy theories", around this matter. However, I still want to know, even now. CM


    I would say that your questions are pointing to the very real conspiracy ... since such things definitely do't just all happen due to "chance" or "misfortune"! Of course, the real conspirators and the media in their grip will accuse you of being a "conspiracy theorist" because you dare have questions that rather plainly show that their official story is a "Hollywood script", and a bad one at that full of inconsistencies and holes.

  • C_M_C_M_ Posts: 3,102

    My , my, my!

    If asking legitimate questions of an event that has been widely broadcasted , so many deaths, and the ever accumulating dollar cost, makes me a  "conspiracy theorist"; could it be said that the thousands of the dead is a  "conspiracy theory"? The truth forbids! Truth in all its form, can and should, stand close examinations. CM

  • WolfgangWolfgang Posts: 2,026

    If asking legitimate questions of an event that has been widely broadcasted , so many deaths, and the ever accumulating dollar cost, makes me a "conspiracy theorist"; could it be said that the thousands of the dead is a "conspiracy theory"?


    My observation concerning the matter has been that anyone whose very legitimate questions are in fact questioning the official story is usually quickly put into the "conspiracy theorist" corner by the media and those believing the official story as truth (even in this forum, my questions about the topic have received replies which accused my of being a follower of conspiracy theories and even an anti-American.


    The truth forbids! Truth in all its form, can and should, stand close examinations. CM


    I agree ... but - perhaps unfortunately - few are willing and/or able to take an objective look at a matter in order to search for and arrive at truth, and especially so if they ar emotionally attacked in some way to a certain religious belief, person, country, culture, etc.

  • C_M_C_M_ Posts: 3,102

    Wolfgang,

    You make an interesting point. The official 911-account maybe a pacifier for the people far removed, but it's unacceptable to families whose loved ones were taken in that event. The soul cries out for answers and truth, however, painful. The full truth will come out. e.g. entrance into World War-2, the Vietnam War, Japanese interment camps, Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment, death of JFK, MLK, Trump's taxes, etc.

    Time is a revealer of truth! CM

  • WolfgangWolfgang Posts: 2,026

    You make an interesting point. The official 911-account maybe a pacifier for the people far removed, but it's unacceptable to families whose loved ones were taken in that event. The soul cries out for answers and truth, however, painful.


    The official story is about concealing and hiding the true culprits responsible and quieting people via msm control and brainwashing. It is totally unacceptable to families of victims murdered in the events ... they are told a make belief story in regards to who was responsible and how could this happen ... cold blooded murder of thousands for satisfying the greed and crimes of devilish powers.


    Time is a revealer of truth!


    It seems that time is running out for the deceivers hiding the real facts with the official story ... More and more experts and people concerned are coming out with questions about details of the official story that make no sense ...

    The more one thinks about what the official story stipulates, the more one realizes that this script doesn't even make for a half-way plausible movie ...

  • Bill_ColeyBill_Coley Posts: 1,690

    @Wolfgang posted: (emphasis added)

    My observation concerning the matter has been that anyone whose very legitimate questions are in fact questioning the official story is usually quickly put into the "conspiracy theorist" corner by the media and those believing the official story as truth (even in this forum, my questions about the topic have received replies which accused my of being a follower of conspiracy theories and even an anti-American.


    For the record, Wolfgang, at least for me it's not the the questions you ask that prompt me to characterize you as conspiracy theory aficionado; it's the answers to those questions - both the ones you yourself offer and the ones from others you're willing to accept.

    As for allegations of your being "anti-American," I don't immediately recall such a charge in these forums, but if there have been some, they were likely toothless, ill-advised, and unwarranted distractions from the issues under discussion at the time. I certainly have not expressed and do not share such a sentiment, and don't care whether you're pro-, anti-, or neither-American. I DO care about facts and objective truth, a passion that has undergirded my responses to your posts about the 9/11 attacks, climate change, and other matters of public policy and current events.

  • C_M_C_M_ Posts: 3,102

    Some thoughts on 911, in view of its recent anniversary:

    When one accepts the US Government Official Report of the 911-Commission, are Americans and US tall buildings vulnerable to another attack?

    What's the state of the US Air Defenses today? Are American safer today? What assurances are there that another 911 type event wouldn't happen again? With Washington's infighting, is America being diligent in her watch, at home and aboard? CM

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