President Trump: To Impeach or NOT to Impeach? That's the Question

Brethren, make you case FOR or AGAINST Mr. Trump to be impeached. His behavior can't go unaddressed. To help you make a decision, please read Elizabeth Drews' article: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/25/opinion/trump-impeachment.html

The Dems can't ignore Trump's disregard for his crimes, congress, and the law. For those of you think Trump should not be impeached, on what basis you say such and how would you make your case?

The Mueller Report proved Trump did with the Russians or at least, tried. Could this be a starting point?

Either case, lay out in simple points, contrasting the two positions. CM

Comments

  • WolfgangWolfgang Posts: 1,720

    @C_M_

    thank you for the link to that article ... I suppose it depends on the mindset with which one reads it and on the background of knowing other articles from different perspectives on the same matter. The article described -- most likely without wanting to do so? or but perhaps actually wanting to give that impression? -- the rather desolate state of the Democratic party and its Hilary obsession (btw, she recently advocated such impeachment steps).

    Have you taken a look at all the crimes comitted (but of course not investigated and brought to justice) by previous administrations and their presidents? How many recent USA presidents and vice presidents plus head neocon falcon secretaries promoted and committed war crimes and crimes against humanity (in accordance with USA set standards after WWII)? Someone having a tax crime from years before is "a nothing" compared to the millions of civilians killed in recent and current USA war crimes ....

  • C_M_C_M_ Posts: 3,004

    @Wolfgang said"

    "Have you taken a look at all the crimes comitted (but of course not investigated and brought to justice) by previous administrations and their presidents? How many recent USA presidents and vice presidents plus head neocon falcon secretaries promoted and committed war crimes and crimes against humanity..."

    @CM said:

    Thanks for your response, Wolfgang. Let's deal with what's in front of us. Hillary nor previous presidents are currently in Mueller's Report or facing the possibility of impeachment . Let's deal with what is, and not what you think it should be. The obsession with Hillary is not this OP's focus. I know it may be what you and Mr. Trump can't let go, but Hillary is not facing impeachment, even if you think so. Donald J. Trump is! His dirty sins, crimes, obstruction of Justice, and disregard for the rule of law and Congress must be dealt with for the interests and safety of all.

    Hillary has been investigated and cleared. Trump has been investigated and found "weighted in the balances and found wanting." This is a very weak case (if any at all) for not, impeaching Trump. For a man of your intellect, I really expected you to produce a better case. CM

  • reformedreformed Posts: 2,267

    There is nothing in the Mueller Report that even comes close to an impeachable offense.

  • reformedreformed Posts: 2,267

    His dirty sins, crimes, obstruction of Justice, and disregard for the rule of law and Congress must be dealt with for the interests and safety of all.

    Please, why don't you outline the crimes. Where was the obstruction? Show it. Disregard for the rule of law? Proof? Disregard for Congress? Where? How?

  • Bill_ColeyBill_Coley Posts: 1,411

    @reformed posted:

    There is nothing in the Mueller Report that even comes close to an impeachable offense.

    Please, why don't you outline the crimes. Where was the obstruction? Show it. Disregard for the rule of law? Proof? Disregard for Congress? Where? How?

    Volume II of the Mueller report teems with documented assertions of conduct that easily "come close" to impeachable offenses. A few examples (an "executive summary" of these and analogous assertions of fact are found on pp.3-6 of the Special Counsel's report)

    1) The president asked then-White House Counsel, Don McGahn, to see to the firing of special counsel Robert Mueller.

    2) The president later asked McGahn to lie as to whether the president had asked him to have Mueller fired.

    3) The president dictated to Corey Lewandowski a message for delivery to recused Attorney General Jeff Sessions, a message that directed the AG to announce a change in the focus of the special counsel's probe away from the previous election and toward future elections.


    There are others - such as the firing of the FBI director with "Russia" on his mind - but those three, in the minds of many former federal prosecutors, reflect clear and demonstrable acts of obstruction of justice. Given that impeachment is at its core a political act - an "impeachable offense" being whatever a majority of the members of the House believe it to be - it's not at all hard to believe that Mr Trump could be impeached on these items. Could ANY article of impeachment result in a conviction in the GOP-controlled Senate? No. Not even were the president on tape with the AG drawing up a plan to have the special counsel assassinated. But you asked about impeachable offenses, not convictable ones.

    A simple question: Had a President Hillary Clinton been shown by a special counsel to have taken those three specific actions while she was under criminal investigation, would YOU believe those actions were "impeachable offenses," or in your view would those three actions reflect appropriate presidential conduct on her part?

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