What does the bible teach about Christians and war?
In the gospels, when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem, the Christians moved away from the region. This would be comparable to the Christians who went to Canada when the American Revolution broke out. In both cases, they did not take up arms to defend or establish their homeland.
But when Christians ignore this principle, and become unequally yoked together with the heathen, taking up arms with them, they end up killing each other as we see in WWI and WWII. Not to mention the fuel they add to both sides of the conflict and the increased casualties resulting from it.
In Acts, Christians always fled the presence of violence. And never defended themselves using more than words.
Paul tells us the love of money is the root of all evil. And this would include war. It is always about money and territory. All of the things Christians are to shun. This was true in Israel's wars of the Old Testament. And it is true today.
So what is the Christian response to war? We have plenty to draw from in answering this, but one thing is certain, we are to love enemies and not kill them. Or lay up treasure on earth and protect it. Or kill on behalf of others who do.
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Of course you give an extremist viewpoint. Military service is shown in Scripture and not condemned. Obviously it is abundant in the OT and in the NT it is never once condemned even though there was opportunity to do so if it were not for a believer to partake in.
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And war is not always about money and territory. I would recommend you read up on some wars and figure out what they are really about. A lot of wars are, yes, but not all.
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Let's differentiate between military service under a non Christian nation and under a Christian nation.
Soldiers in the Roman army, after converting to Christianity, usually chose to lay down their weapons and even be martyred rather than to engage in unjust warfare.
By the time the Roman Empire was Christian, St. Augustine was the first one to discuss fighting in a "just war":
"Fighting could fall within the will of God, but only as a necessary evil, an act that required penance."
How far we've managed to drift away from this view. I don't think that military service is still considered as a "necessary evil" among Christians.
For sure, oppressive regimes must be fought and prevented from taking over the world (such as WWII).But what about Vietnam for example? How many war crimes were committed in the name of freedom?
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Why did Jesus not tell the Roman soldier to layn down arms?
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We neither know that he did tell it nor that he didn't tell it to him.
Jesus was very clear in other passages.
"For all who take up the sword will die by the sword." (Matthew 26:52)
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@Jan said:
We neither know that he did tell it nor that he didn't tell it to him.Jesus was very clear in other passages.
"For all who take up the sword will die by the sword." (Matthew 26:52)
Taken out of context. That is talking about revenge.
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@reformed said:
Why did Jesus not tell the Roman soldier to layn down arms?We were not under the New Covenant yet?
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@reformed said:
And war is not always about money and territory. I would recommend you read up on some wars and figure out what they are really about. A lot of wars are, yes, but not all.Paul says the love of money is the root of ALL evil. This includes war. Name one not about money or territory?
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@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
And war is not always about money and territory. I would recommend you read up on some wars and figure out what they are really about. A lot of wars are, yes, but not all.Paul says the love of money is the root of ALL evil. This includes war. Name one not about money or territory?
Actually, Paul does not say that at all. How could he? It would be false.
10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.
That is different than all evil.
That being said. The war on terror is not about money or territory. That's just one example.
I'm sure @Wolfgang will come up with his crazy conspiracy theories on this, and @C_M_ will talk about the injustice of America. But the war on terror is not about money or territory. It is about rooting out terrorism.
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@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
And war is not always about money and territory. I would recommend you read up on some wars and figure out what they are really about. A lot of wars are, yes, but not all.Paul says the love of money is the root of ALL evil. This includes war. Name one not about money or territory?
Actually, Paul does not say that at all. How could he? It would be false.
10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.
That is different than all evil.
That being said. The war on terror is not about money or territory. That's just one example.
I'm sure @Wolfgang will come up with his crazy conspiracy theories on this, and @C_M_ will talk about the injustice of America. But the war on terror is not about money or territory. It is about rooting out terrorism.
“For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.” (1 Timothy 6:10)
The war on terror is about Israel's money and territory.
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@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
And war is not always about money and territory. I would recommend you read up on some wars and figure out what they are really about. A lot of wars are, yes, but not all.Paul says the love of money is the root of ALL evil. This includes war. Name one not about money or territory?
Actually, Paul does not say that at all. How could he? It would be false.
10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.
That is different than all evil.
That being said. The war on terror is not about money or territory. That's just one example.
I'm sure @Wolfgang will come up with his crazy conspiracy theories on this, and @C_M_ will talk about the injustice of America. But the war on terror is not about money or territory. It is about rooting out terrorism.
“For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.” (1 Timothy 6:10)
The war on terror is about Israel's money and territory.
I see you are stuck to the KJV rendering. Of course, we can know that your interpretation/translation cannot be correct. Satan was the initial evil and it was not about money at all. Therefore, the love of money CANNOT be the root of all evil.
That being said, in the context of the whole passage it is talking about a specific instance and the kinds of evil that can come about from it. It in no way suggests that all evil is due to the love of money.
And about the war on terror, it had and continue to has, nothing to do with Israel. Do you even know how the war on terror began? Perhaps you need a history lesson. Israel did not come into the equation.
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@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
And war is not always about money and territory. I would recommend you read up on some wars and figure out what they are really about. A lot of wars are, yes, but not all.Paul says the love of money is the root of ALL evil. This includes war. Name one not about money or territory?
Actually, Paul does not say that at all. How could he? It would be false.
10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.
That is different than all evil.
That being said. The war on terror is not about money or territory. That's just one example.
I'm sure @Wolfgang will come up with his crazy conspiracy theories on this, and @C_M_ will talk about the injustice of America. But the war on terror is not about money or territory. It is about rooting out terrorism.
“For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.” (1 Timothy 6:10)
The war on terror is about Israel's money and territory.
I see you are stuck to the KJV rendering. Of course, we can know that your interpretation/translation cannot be correct. Satan was the initial evil and it was not about money at all. Therefore, the love of money CANNOT be the root of all evil.
That being said, in the context of the whole passage it is talking about a specific instance and the kinds of evil that can come about from it. It in no way suggests that all evil is due to the love of money.
And about the war on terror, it had and continue to has, nothing to do with Israel. Do you even know how the war on terror began? Perhaps you need a history lesson. Israel did not come into the equation.
All kinds of evil = includes war. While terrorism is older than the Israeli occupation of Palestine, much of today's Middle East Terrorism links directly to it.
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@reformed said:
"For all who take up the sword will die by the sword." (Matthew 26:52)
Taken out of context. That is talking about revenge.
Where does the context talk about revenge? whose revenge to whose earlier deed?
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@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
Paul says the love of money is the root of ALL evil. This includes war. Name one not about money or territory?Actually, Paul does not say that at all. How could he? It would be false.
10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.That is different than all evil.
How is "all kinds of evil" different from "all evil" ?? Would "all kinds of evil" not include "all evil" by definition?
That being said. The war on terror is not about money or territory. That's just one example.
Well, there is plenty of indication that "the war on terror" is most certainly about money ... lots of money.
On the other hand, "the war on terror" is actually not even a real war, or did the US Senate/Congress declare war in 2001 or anytime since??
When looking at the results of this "war on terror" over the last 17 years, it is obvious that this "war" is actually disguised terrorism by which far more people have been terrorized, driven from their homelands and killed than any other terror has done ...I'm sure @Wolfgang will come up with his crazy conspiracy theories on this,
No conspiracy theories needed .... just open your eyeballs, use your God given ability of logic and reason and make up your mind instead of allowing it to be brainwashed by "official propaganda" / "fake news".
But the war on terror is not about money or territory. It is about rooting out terrorism.
There are indeed some fighting a war against terrorism and terrorists ... however, it is not the USA who is doing so. Comparing what the USA and its "moderate terrorists" are doing in Syria (and have been doing ever since they introduced this "proxy war" into Syria with what Syria and its allied forces are doing ... it should be obvious who is rooting out terrorism and who is supporting terrorism in their attempt to regime change and be the world hegemon.
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@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
And war is not always about money and territory. I would recommend you read up on some wars and figure out what they are really about. A lot of wars are, yes, but not all.Paul says the love of money is the root of ALL evil. This includes war. Name one not about money or territory?
Actually, Paul does not say that at all. How could he? It would be false.
10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.
That is different than all evil.
That being said. The war on terror is not about money or territory. That's just one example.
I'm sure @Wolfgang will come up with his crazy conspiracy theories on this, and @C_M_ will talk about the injustice of America. But the war on terror is not about money or territory. It is about rooting out terrorism.
“For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.” (1 Timothy 6:10)
The war on terror is about Israel's money and territory.
I see you are stuck to the KJV rendering. Of course, we can know that your interpretation/translation cannot be correct. Satan was the initial evil and it was not about money at all. Therefore, the love of money CANNOT be the root of all evil.
That being said, in the context of the whole passage it is talking about a specific instance and the kinds of evil that can come about from it. It in no way suggests that all evil is due to the love of money.
And about the war on terror, it had and continue to has, nothing to do with Israel. Do you even know how the war on terror began? Perhaps you need a history lesson. Israel did not come into the equation.
All kinds of evil = includes war. While terrorism is older than the Israeli occupation of Palestine, much of today's Middle East Terrorism links directly to it.
That has nothing to do with the US war on Terror.
Peter, to the arresting of Jesus.
@Wolfgang said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
Paul says the love of money is the root of ALL evil. This includes war. Name one not about money or territory?Actually, Paul does not say that at all. How could he? It would be false.
10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.That is different than all evil.
How is "all kinds of evil" different from "all evil" ?? Would "all kinds of evil" not include "all evil" by definition?
That being said. The war on terror is not about money or territory. That's just one example.
Well, there is plenty of indication that "the war on terror" is most certainly about money ... lots of money.
On the other hand, "the war on terror" is actually not even a real war, or did the US Senate/Congress declare war in 2001 or anytime since??
When looking at the results of this "war on terror" over the last 17 years, it is obvious that this "war" is actually disguised terrorism by which far more people have been terrorized, driven from their homelands and killed than any other terror has done ...I'm sure @Wolfgang will come up with his crazy conspiracy theories on this,
No conspiracy theories needed .... just open your eyeballs, use your God given ability of logic and reason and make up your mind instead of allowing it to be brainwashed by "official propaganda" / "fake news".
But the war on terror is not about money or territory. It is about rooting out terrorism.
There are indeed some fighting a war against terrorism and terrorists ... however, it is not the USA who is doing so. Comparing what the USA and its "moderate terrorists" are doing in Syria (and have been doing ever since they introduced this "proxy war" into Syria with what Syria and its allied forces are doing ... it should be obvious who is rooting out terrorism and who is supporting terrorism in their attempt to regime change and be the world hegemon.
All kinds of evil equals all the evil ever? Can't be. Satan was evil before money was even created.
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@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
And war is not always about money and territory. I would recommend you read up on some wars and figure out what they are really about. A lot of wars are, yes, but not all.Paul says the love of money is the root of ALL evil. This includes war. Name one not about money or territory?
Actually, Paul does not say that at all. How could he? It would be false.
10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.
That is different than all evil.
That being said. The war on terror is not about money or territory. That's just one example.
I'm sure @Wolfgang will come up with his crazy conspiracy theories on this, and @C_M_ will talk about the injustice of America. But the war on terror is not about money or territory. It is about rooting out terrorism.
“For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.” (1 Timothy 6:10)
The war on terror is about Israel's money and territory.
I see you are stuck to the KJV rendering. Of course, we can know that your interpretation/translation cannot be correct. Satan was the initial evil and it was not about money at all. Therefore, the love of money CANNOT be the root of all evil.
That being said, in the context of the whole passage it is talking about a specific instance and the kinds of evil that can come about from it. It in no way suggests that all evil is due to the love of money.
And about the war on terror, it had and continue to has, nothing to do with Israel. Do you even know how the war on terror began? Perhaps you need a history lesson. Israel did not come into the equation.
All kinds of evil = includes war. While terrorism is older than the Israeli occupation of Palestine, much of today's Middle East Terrorism links directly to it.
That has nothing to do with the US war on Terror.
Peter, to the arresting of Jesus.
@Wolfgang said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
Paul says the love of money is the root of ALL evil. This includes war. Name one not about money or territory?Actually, Paul does not say that at all. How could he? It would be false.
10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.That is different than all evil.
How is "all kinds of evil" different from "all evil" ?? Would "all kinds of evil" not include "all evil" by definition?
That being said. The war on terror is not about money or territory. That's just one example.
Well, there is plenty of indication that "the war on terror" is most certainly about money ... lots of money.
On the other hand, "the war on terror" is actually not even a real war, or did the US Senate/Congress declare war in 2001 or anytime since??
When looking at the results of this "war on terror" over the last 17 years, it is obvious that this "war" is actually disguised terrorism by which far more people have been terrorized, driven from their homelands and killed than any other terror has done ...I'm sure @Wolfgang will come up with his crazy conspiracy theories on this,
No conspiracy theories needed .... just open your eyeballs, use your God given ability of logic and reason and make up your mind instead of allowing it to be brainwashed by "official propaganda" / "fake news".
But the war on terror is not about money or territory. It is about rooting out terrorism.
There are indeed some fighting a war against terrorism and terrorists ... however, it is not the USA who is doing so. Comparing what the USA and its "moderate terrorists" are doing in Syria (and have been doing ever since they introduced this "proxy war" into Syria with what Syria and its allied forces are doing ... it should be obvious who is rooting out terrorism and who is supporting terrorism in their attempt to regime change and be the world hegemon.
All kinds of evil equals all the evil ever? Can't be. Satan was evil before money was even created.
It still comes down to war is based on money, the root of all (many kinds of) evil. Zionism is the present catalyst bringing terror to America's shores. And those who support it, support terror.
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@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
And war is not always about money and territory. I would recommend you read up on some wars and figure out what they are really about. A lot of wars are, yes, but not all.Paul says the love of money is the root of ALL evil. This includes war. Name one not about money or territory?
Actually, Paul does not say that at all. How could he? It would be false.
10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.
That is different than all evil.
That being said. The war on terror is not about money or territory. That's just one example.
I'm sure @Wolfgang will come up with his crazy conspiracy theories on this, and @C_M_ will talk about the injustice of America. But the war on terror is not about money or territory. It is about rooting out terrorism.
“For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.” (1 Timothy 6:10)
The war on terror is about Israel's money and territory.
I see you are stuck to the KJV rendering. Of course, we can know that your interpretation/translation cannot be correct. Satan was the initial evil and it was not about money at all. Therefore, the love of money CANNOT be the root of all evil.
That being said, in the context of the whole passage it is talking about a specific instance and the kinds of evil that can come about from it. It in no way suggests that all evil is due to the love of money.
And about the war on terror, it had and continue to has, nothing to do with Israel. Do you even know how the war on terror began? Perhaps you need a history lesson. Israel did not come into the equation.
All kinds of evil = includes war. While terrorism is older than the Israeli occupation of Palestine, much of today's Middle East Terrorism links directly to it.
That has nothing to do with the US war on Terror.
Peter, to the arresting of Jesus.
@Wolfgang said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
Paul says the love of money is the root of ALL evil. This includes war. Name one not about money or territory?Actually, Paul does not say that at all. How could he? It would be false.
10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.That is different than all evil.
How is "all kinds of evil" different from "all evil" ?? Would "all kinds of evil" not include "all evil" by definition?
That being said. The war on terror is not about money or territory. That's just one example.
Well, there is plenty of indication that "the war on terror" is most certainly about money ... lots of money.
On the other hand, "the war on terror" is actually not even a real war, or did the US Senate/Congress declare war in 2001 or anytime since??
When looking at the results of this "war on terror" over the last 17 years, it is obvious that this "war" is actually disguised terrorism by which far more people have been terrorized, driven from their homelands and killed than any other terror has done ...I'm sure @Wolfgang will come up with his crazy conspiracy theories on this,
No conspiracy theories needed .... just open your eyeballs, use your God given ability of logic and reason and make up your mind instead of allowing it to be brainwashed by "official propaganda" / "fake news".
But the war on terror is not about money or territory. It is about rooting out terrorism.
There are indeed some fighting a war against terrorism and terrorists ... however, it is not the USA who is doing so. Comparing what the USA and its "moderate terrorists" are doing in Syria (and have been doing ever since they introduced this "proxy war" into Syria with what Syria and its allied forces are doing ... it should be obvious who is rooting out terrorism and who is supporting terrorism in their attempt to regime change and be the world hegemon.
All kinds of evil equals all the evil ever? Can't be. Satan was evil before money was even created.
It still comes down to war is based on money, the root of all (many kinds of) evil. Zionism is the present catalyst bringing terror to America's shores. And those who support it, support terror.
I just gave you an example of a war that is NOT about money.
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@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
And war is not always about money and territory. I would recommend you read up on some wars and figure out what they are really about. A lot of wars are, yes, but not all.Paul says the love of money is the root of ALL evil. This includes war. Name one not about money or territory?
Actually, Paul does not say that at all. How could he? It would be false.
10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.
That is different than all evil.
That being said. The war on terror is not about money or territory. That's just one example.
I'm sure @Wolfgang will come up with his crazy conspiracy theories on this, and @C_M_ will talk about the injustice of America. But the war on terror is not about money or territory. It is about rooting out terrorism.
“For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.” (1 Timothy 6:10)
The war on terror is about Israel's money and territory.
I see you are stuck to the KJV rendering. Of course, we can know that your interpretation/translation cannot be correct. Satan was the initial evil and it was not about money at all. Therefore, the love of money CANNOT be the root of all evil.
That being said, in the context of the whole passage it is talking about a specific instance and the kinds of evil that can come about from it. It in no way suggests that all evil is due to the love of money.
And about the war on terror, it had and continue to has, nothing to do with Israel. Do you even know how the war on terror began? Perhaps you need a history lesson. Israel did not come into the equation.
All kinds of evil = includes war. While terrorism is older than the Israeli occupation of Palestine, much of today's Middle East Terrorism links directly to it.
That has nothing to do with the US war on Terror.
Peter, to the arresting of Jesus.
@Wolfgang said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
Paul says the love of money is the root of ALL evil. This includes war. Name one not about money or territory?Actually, Paul does not say that at all. How could he? It would be false.
10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.That is different than all evil.
How is "all kinds of evil" different from "all evil" ?? Would "all kinds of evil" not include "all evil" by definition?
That being said. The war on terror is not about money or territory. That's just one example.
Well, there is plenty of indication that "the war on terror" is most certainly about money ... lots of money.
On the other hand, "the war on terror" is actually not even a real war, or did the US Senate/Congress declare war in 2001 or anytime since??
When looking at the results of this "war on terror" over the last 17 years, it is obvious that this "war" is actually disguised terrorism by which far more people have been terrorized, driven from their homelands and killed than any other terror has done ...I'm sure @Wolfgang will come up with his crazy conspiracy theories on this,
No conspiracy theories needed .... just open your eyeballs, use your God given ability of logic and reason and make up your mind instead of allowing it to be brainwashed by "official propaganda" / "fake news".
But the war on terror is not about money or territory. It is about rooting out terrorism.
There are indeed some fighting a war against terrorism and terrorists ... however, it is not the USA who is doing so. Comparing what the USA and its "moderate terrorists" are doing in Syria (and have been doing ever since they introduced this "proxy war" into Syria with what Syria and its allied forces are doing ... it should be obvious who is rooting out terrorism and who is supporting terrorism in their attempt to regime change and be the world hegemon.
All kinds of evil equals all the evil ever? Can't be. Satan was evil before money was even created.
It still comes down to war is based on money, the root of all (many kinds of) evil. Zionism is the present catalyst bringing terror to America's shores. And those who support it, support terror.
I just gave you an example of a war that is NOT about money.
If the love of money is the root of all evil, and war is evil, how can war not be about money or territory?
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@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
And war is not always about money and territory. I would recommend you read up on some wars and figure out what they are really about. A lot of wars are, yes, but not all.Paul says the love of money is the root of ALL evil. This includes war. Name one not about money or territory?
Actually, Paul does not say that at all. How could he? It would be false.
10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.
That is different than all evil.
That being said. The war on terror is not about money or territory. That's just one example.
I'm sure @Wolfgang will come up with his crazy conspiracy theories on this, and @C_M_ will talk about the injustice of America. But the war on terror is not about money or territory. It is about rooting out terrorism.
“For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.” (1 Timothy 6:10)
The war on terror is about Israel's money and territory.
I see you are stuck to the KJV rendering. Of course, we can know that your interpretation/translation cannot be correct. Satan was the initial evil and it was not about money at all. Therefore, the love of money CANNOT be the root of all evil.
That being said, in the context of the whole passage it is talking about a specific instance and the kinds of evil that can come about from it. It in no way suggests that all evil is due to the love of money.
And about the war on terror, it had and continue to has, nothing to do with Israel. Do you even know how the war on terror began? Perhaps you need a history lesson. Israel did not come into the equation.
All kinds of evil = includes war. While terrorism is older than the Israeli occupation of Palestine, much of today's Middle East Terrorism links directly to it.
That has nothing to do with the US war on Terror.
Peter, to the arresting of Jesus.
@Wolfgang said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
Paul says the love of money is the root of ALL evil. This includes war. Name one not about money or territory?Actually, Paul does not say that at all. How could he? It would be false.
10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.That is different than all evil.
How is "all kinds of evil" different from "all evil" ?? Would "all kinds of evil" not include "all evil" by definition?
That being said. The war on terror is not about money or territory. That's just one example.
Well, there is plenty of indication that "the war on terror" is most certainly about money ... lots of money.
On the other hand, "the war on terror" is actually not even a real war, or did the US Senate/Congress declare war in 2001 or anytime since??
When looking at the results of this "war on terror" over the last 17 years, it is obvious that this "war" is actually disguised terrorism by which far more people have been terrorized, driven from their homelands and killed than any other terror has done ...I'm sure @Wolfgang will come up with his crazy conspiracy theories on this,
No conspiracy theories needed .... just open your eyeballs, use your God given ability of logic and reason and make up your mind instead of allowing it to be brainwashed by "official propaganda" / "fake news".
But the war on terror is not about money or territory. It is about rooting out terrorism.
There are indeed some fighting a war against terrorism and terrorists ... however, it is not the USA who is doing so. Comparing what the USA and its "moderate terrorists" are doing in Syria (and have been doing ever since they introduced this "proxy war" into Syria with what Syria and its allied forces are doing ... it should be obvious who is rooting out terrorism and who is supporting terrorism in their attempt to regime change and be the world hegemon.
All kinds of evil equals all the evil ever? Can't be. Satan was evil before money was even created.
It still comes down to war is based on money, the root of all (many kinds of) evil. Zionism is the present catalyst bringing terror to America's shores. And those who support it, support terror.
I just gave you an example of a war that is NOT about money.
If the love of money is the root of all evil, and war is evil, how can war not be about money or territory?
The love of money isn't the root of all evil. Was money the root of Satan's evil or Adam's original sin?
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@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
And war is not always about money and territory. I would recommend you read up on some wars and figure out what they are really about. A lot of wars are, yes, but not all.Paul says the love of money is the root of ALL evil. This includes war. Name one not about money or territory?
Actually, Paul does not say that at all. How could he? It would be false.
10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.
That is different than all evil.
That being said. The war on terror is not about money or territory. That's just one example.
I'm sure @Wolfgang will come up with his crazy conspiracy theories on this, and @C_M_ will talk about the injustice of America. But the war on terror is not about money or territory. It is about rooting out terrorism.
“For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.” (1 Timothy 6:10)
The war on terror is about Israel's money and territory.
I see you are stuck to the KJV rendering. Of course, we can know that your interpretation/translation cannot be correct. Satan was the initial evil and it was not about money at all. Therefore, the love of money CANNOT be the root of all evil.
That being said, in the context of the whole passage it is talking about a specific instance and the kinds of evil that can come about from it. It in no way suggests that all evil is due to the love of money.
And about the war on terror, it had and continue to has, nothing to do with Israel. Do you even know how the war on terror began? Perhaps you need a history lesson. Israel did not come into the equation.
All kinds of evil = includes war. While terrorism is older than the Israeli occupation of Palestine, much of today's Middle East Terrorism links directly to it.
That has nothing to do with the US war on Terror.
Peter, to the arresting of Jesus.
@Wolfgang said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
Paul says the love of money is the root of ALL evil. This includes war. Name one not about money or territory?Actually, Paul does not say that at all. How could he? It would be false.
10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.That is different than all evil.
How is "all kinds of evil" different from "all evil" ?? Would "all kinds of evil" not include "all evil" by definition?
That being said. The war on terror is not about money or territory. That's just one example.
Well, there is plenty of indication that "the war on terror" is most certainly about money ... lots of money.
On the other hand, "the war on terror" is actually not even a real war, or did the US Senate/Congress declare war in 2001 or anytime since??
When looking at the results of this "war on terror" over the last 17 years, it is obvious that this "war" is actually disguised terrorism by which far more people have been terrorized, driven from their homelands and killed than any other terror has done ...I'm sure @Wolfgang will come up with his crazy conspiracy theories on this,
No conspiracy theories needed .... just open your eyeballs, use your God given ability of logic and reason and make up your mind instead of allowing it to be brainwashed by "official propaganda" / "fake news".
But the war on terror is not about money or territory. It is about rooting out terrorism.
There are indeed some fighting a war against terrorism and terrorists ... however, it is not the USA who is doing so. Comparing what the USA and its "moderate terrorists" are doing in Syria (and have been doing ever since they introduced this "proxy war" into Syria with what Syria and its allied forces are doing ... it should be obvious who is rooting out terrorism and who is supporting terrorism in their attempt to regime change and be the world hegemon.
All kinds of evil equals all the evil ever? Can't be. Satan was evil before money was even created.
It still comes down to war is based on money, the root of all (many kinds of) evil. Zionism is the present catalyst bringing terror to America's shores. And those who support it, support terror.
I just gave you an example of a war that is NOT about money.
If the love of money is the root of all evil, and war is evil, how can war not be about money or territory?
The love of money isn't the root of all evil. Was money the root of Satan's evil or Adam's original sin?
Money is the epitome of hatred. It works only if wealth remains unequal. So it is a tool most sought after by wicked people.
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There are some Scriptures worth considering on the matter:
- Jesus said, "But I say unto you, that ye resist not evil..." Mt 5:39
- My kingdom is not of this world; if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight Jn 18:36
- The early Christians were commended because they took joyfully “the spoiling of their goods” Heb 10:34
- Members of Christ’s kingdom are instructed to bless their persecutors, and to pray for evildoers, and to love their enemies, to feed and offer a drink to enemies. Rom 12:14-21
- How would we choose which "enemy" Jesus does not mean here? Lk 6:27-29
- God may allow/use, even orchestrate ungodly powers for his sovereign purpose, but Christians are clearly called to be part of a different kingdom. Jn 15:19-21
Note: Context matters. However, we might not want always to limit the entire context of an intended message to the narrow context of the example offered to provide the message.
There may be difficult situations. How far should a Christian go in preventing his family or neighbor from being harmed? May God give us wisdom--and I trust he will. I remember the time when I was a school teacher and we took a group of kids to the zoo. We invited a rather large young man from the community with mental health issues to go along. At the zoo, he tried to crawl in a wolf pen. I subdued him, which involved a bit of minor pain on his part. Was that the right thing to do? I think so. May God give us wisdom in such cases.
For the record, I am absolutely not a pacifist. I choose non-violence because that is what I see Jesus teaching in the Bible. If God should give me a clear message, perhaps supported by trusted older godly counselors, that He was directing me (as he directed some OT Bible Characters) to take up arms and go to war, I would be first in line to do so. I would also earnestly seek specifically for His will on how He wanted that done, as even in the OT it seems God's intent was often to fight the battles for the people. My understanding is that for now, at least, He has specifically ordered me not to do so; He has given me crisp orders on what to do instead.
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@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
And war is not always about money and territory. I would recommend you read up on some wars and figure out what they are really about. A lot of wars are, yes, but not all.Paul says the love of money is the root of ALL evil. This includes war. Name one not about money or territory?
Actually, Paul does not say that at all. How could he? It would be false.
10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.
That is different than all evil.
That being said. The war on terror is not about money or territory. That's just one example.
I'm sure @Wolfgang will come up with his crazy conspiracy theories on this, and @C_M_ will talk about the injustice of America. But the war on terror is not about money or territory. It is about rooting out terrorism.
“For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.” (1 Timothy 6:10)
The war on terror is about Israel's money and territory.
I see you are stuck to the KJV rendering. Of course, we can know that your interpretation/translation cannot be correct. Satan was the initial evil and it was not about money at all. Therefore, the love of money CANNOT be the root of all evil.
That being said, in the context of the whole passage it is talking about a specific instance and the kinds of evil that can come about from it. It in no way suggests that all evil is due to the love of money.
And about the war on terror, it had and continue to has, nothing to do with Israel. Do you even know how the war on terror began? Perhaps you need a history lesson. Israel did not come into the equation.
All kinds of evil = includes war. While terrorism is older than the Israeli occupation of Palestine, much of today's Middle East Terrorism links directly to it.
That has nothing to do with the US war on Terror.
Peter, to the arresting of Jesus.
@Wolfgang said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
Paul says the love of money is the root of ALL evil. This includes war. Name one not about money or territory?Actually, Paul does not say that at all. How could he? It would be false.
10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.That is different than all evil.
How is "all kinds of evil" different from "all evil" ?? Would "all kinds of evil" not include "all evil" by definition?
That being said. The war on terror is not about money or territory. That's just one example.
Well, there is plenty of indication that "the war on terror" is most certainly about money ... lots of money.
On the other hand, "the war on terror" is actually not even a real war, or did the US Senate/Congress declare war in 2001 or anytime since??
When looking at the results of this "war on terror" over the last 17 years, it is obvious that this "war" is actually disguised terrorism by which far more people have been terrorized, driven from their homelands and killed than any other terror has done ...I'm sure @Wolfgang will come up with his crazy conspiracy theories on this,
No conspiracy theories needed .... just open your eyeballs, use your God given ability of logic and reason and make up your mind instead of allowing it to be brainwashed by "official propaganda" / "fake news".
But the war on terror is not about money or territory. It is about rooting out terrorism.
There are indeed some fighting a war against terrorism and terrorists ... however, it is not the USA who is doing so. Comparing what the USA and its "moderate terrorists" are doing in Syria (and have been doing ever since they introduced this "proxy war" into Syria with what Syria and its allied forces are doing ... it should be obvious who is rooting out terrorism and who is supporting terrorism in their attempt to regime change and be the world hegemon.
All kinds of evil equals all the evil ever? Can't be. Satan was evil before money was even created.
It still comes down to war is based on money, the root of all (many kinds of) evil. Zionism is the present catalyst bringing terror to America's shores. And those who support it, support terror.
I just gave you an example of a war that is NOT about money.
If the love of money is the root of all evil, and war is evil, how can war not be about money or territory?
The love of money isn't the root of all evil. Was money the root of Satan's evil or Adam's original sin?
Money is the epitome of hatred. It works only if wealth remains unequal. So it is a tool most sought after by wicked people.
What does that have to do with my point?
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@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
And war is not always about money and territory. I would recommend you read up on some wars and figure out what they are really about. A lot of wars are, yes, but not all.Paul says the love of money is the root of ALL evil. This includes war. Name one not about money or territory?
Actually, Paul does not say that at all. How could he? It would be false.
10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.
That is different than all evil.
That being said. The war on terror is not about money or territory. That's just one example.
I'm sure @Wolfgang will come up with his crazy conspiracy theories on this, and @C_M_ will talk about the injustice of America. But the war on terror is not about money or territory. It is about rooting out terrorism.
“For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.” (1 Timothy 6:10)
The war on terror is about Israel's money and territory.
I see you are stuck to the KJV rendering. Of course, we can know that your interpretation/translation cannot be correct. Satan was the initial evil and it was not about money at all. Therefore, the love of money CANNOT be the root of all evil.
That being said, in the context of the whole passage it is talking about a specific instance and the kinds of evil that can come about from it. It in no way suggests that all evil is due to the love of money.
And about the war on terror, it had and continue to has, nothing to do with Israel. Do you even know how the war on terror began? Perhaps you need a history lesson. Israel did not come into the equation.
All kinds of evil = includes war. While terrorism is older than the Israeli occupation of Palestine, much of today's Middle East Terrorism links directly to it.
That has nothing to do with the US war on Terror.
Peter, to the arresting of Jesus.
@Wolfgang said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
Paul says the love of money is the root of ALL evil. This includes war. Name one not about money or territory?Actually, Paul does not say that at all. How could he? It would be false.
10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.That is different than all evil.
How is "all kinds of evil" different from "all evil" ?? Would "all kinds of evil" not include "all evil" by definition?
That being said. The war on terror is not about money or territory. That's just one example.
Well, there is plenty of indication that "the war on terror" is most certainly about money ... lots of money.
On the other hand, "the war on terror" is actually not even a real war, or did the US Senate/Congress declare war in 2001 or anytime since??
When looking at the results of this "war on terror" over the last 17 years, it is obvious that this "war" is actually disguised terrorism by which far more people have been terrorized, driven from their homelands and killed than any other terror has done ...I'm sure @Wolfgang will come up with his crazy conspiracy theories on this,
No conspiracy theories needed .... just open your eyeballs, use your God given ability of logic and reason and make up your mind instead of allowing it to be brainwashed by "official propaganda" / "fake news".
But the war on terror is not about money or territory. It is about rooting out terrorism.
There are indeed some fighting a war against terrorism and terrorists ... however, it is not the USA who is doing so. Comparing what the USA and its "moderate terrorists" are doing in Syria (and have been doing ever since they introduced this "proxy war" into Syria with what Syria and its allied forces are doing ... it should be obvious who is rooting out terrorism and who is supporting terrorism in their attempt to regime change and be the world hegemon.
All kinds of evil equals all the evil ever? Can't be. Satan was evil before money was even created.
It still comes down to war is based on money, the root of all (many kinds of) evil. Zionism is the present catalyst bringing terror to America's shores. And those who support it, support terror.
I just gave you an example of a war that is NOT about money.
If the love of money is the root of all evil, and war is evil, how can war not be about money or territory?
The love of money isn't the root of all evil. Was money the root of Satan's evil or Adam's original sin?
Money is the epitome of hatred. It works only if wealth remains unequal. So it is a tool most sought after by wicked people.
What does that have to do with my point?
Money (in various forms) is solidly linked to being the cause of all war.
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@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
And war is not always about money and territory. I would recommend you read up on some wars and figure out what they are really about. A lot of wars are, yes, but not all.Paul says the love of money is the root of ALL evil. This includes war. Name one not about money or territory?
Actually, Paul does not say that at all. How could he? It would be false.
10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.
That is different than all evil.
That being said. The war on terror is not about money or territory. That's just one example.
I'm sure @Wolfgang will come up with his crazy conspiracy theories on this, and @C_M_ will talk about the injustice of America. But the war on terror is not about money or territory. It is about rooting out terrorism.
“For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.” (1 Timothy 6:10)
The war on terror is about Israel's money and territory.
I see you are stuck to the KJV rendering. Of course, we can know that your interpretation/translation cannot be correct. Satan was the initial evil and it was not about money at all. Therefore, the love of money CANNOT be the root of all evil.
That being said, in the context of the whole passage it is talking about a specific instance and the kinds of evil that can come about from it. It in no way suggests that all evil is due to the love of money.
And about the war on terror, it had and continue to has, nothing to do with Israel. Do you even know how the war on terror began? Perhaps you need a history lesson. Israel did not come into the equation.
All kinds of evil = includes war. While terrorism is older than the Israeli occupation of Palestine, much of today's Middle East Terrorism links directly to it.
That has nothing to do with the US war on Terror.
Peter, to the arresting of Jesus.
@Wolfgang said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
Paul says the love of money is the root of ALL evil. This includes war. Name one not about money or territory?Actually, Paul does not say that at all. How could he? It would be false.
10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.That is different than all evil.
How is "all kinds of evil" different from "all evil" ?? Would "all kinds of evil" not include "all evil" by definition?
That being said. The war on terror is not about money or territory. That's just one example.
Well, there is plenty of indication that "the war on terror" is most certainly about money ... lots of money.
On the other hand, "the war on terror" is actually not even a real war, or did the US Senate/Congress declare war in 2001 or anytime since??
When looking at the results of this "war on terror" over the last 17 years, it is obvious that this "war" is actually disguised terrorism by which far more people have been terrorized, driven from their homelands and killed than any other terror has done ...I'm sure @Wolfgang will come up with his crazy conspiracy theories on this,
No conspiracy theories needed .... just open your eyeballs, use your God given ability of logic and reason and make up your mind instead of allowing it to be brainwashed by "official propaganda" / "fake news".
But the war on terror is not about money or territory. It is about rooting out terrorism.
There are indeed some fighting a war against terrorism and terrorists ... however, it is not the USA who is doing so. Comparing what the USA and its "moderate terrorists" are doing in Syria (and have been doing ever since they introduced this "proxy war" into Syria with what Syria and its allied forces are doing ... it should be obvious who is rooting out terrorism and who is supporting terrorism in their attempt to regime change and be the world hegemon.
All kinds of evil equals all the evil ever? Can't be. Satan was evil before money was even created.
It still comes down to war is based on money, the root of all (many kinds of) evil. Zionism is the present catalyst bringing terror to America's shores. And those who support it, support terror.
I just gave you an example of a war that is NOT about money.
If the love of money is the root of all evil, and war is evil, how can war not be about money or territory?
The love of money isn't the root of all evil. Was money the root of Satan's evil or Adam's original sin?
Money is the epitome of hatred. It works only if wealth remains unequal. So it is a tool most sought after by wicked people.
What does that have to do with my point?
Money (in various forms) is solidly linked to being the cause of all war.
Which was not my point. My POINT was that money cannot be the root of all evil. Satan is evil and it has nothing to do with money.
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@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
And war is not always about money and territory. I would recommend you read up on some wars and figure out what they are really about. A lot of wars are, yes, but not all.Paul says the love of money is the root of ALL evil. This includes war. Name one not about money or territory?
Actually, Paul does not say that at all. How could he? It would be false.
10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.
That is different than all evil.
That being said. The war on terror is not about money or territory. That's just one example.
I'm sure @Wolfgang will come up with his crazy conspiracy theories on this, and @C_M_ will talk about the injustice of America. But the war on terror is not about money or territory. It is about rooting out terrorism.
“For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.” (1 Timothy 6:10)
The war on terror is about Israel's money and territory.
I see you are stuck to the KJV rendering. Of course, we can know that your interpretation/translation cannot be correct. Satan was the initial evil and it was not about money at all. Therefore, the love of money CANNOT be the root of all evil.
That being said, in the context of the whole passage it is talking about a specific instance and the kinds of evil that can come about from it. It in no way suggests that all evil is due to the love of money.
And about the war on terror, it had and continue to has, nothing to do with Israel. Do you even know how the war on terror began? Perhaps you need a history lesson. Israel did not come into the equation.
All kinds of evil = includes war. While terrorism is older than the Israeli occupation of Palestine, much of today's Middle East Terrorism links directly to it.
That has nothing to do with the US war on Terror.
Peter, to the arresting of Jesus.
@Wolfgang said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
Paul says the love of money is the root of ALL evil. This includes war. Name one not about money or territory?Actually, Paul does not say that at all. How could he? It would be false.
10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.That is different than all evil.
How is "all kinds of evil" different from "all evil" ?? Would "all kinds of evil" not include "all evil" by definition?
That being said. The war on terror is not about money or territory. That's just one example.
Well, there is plenty of indication that "the war on terror" is most certainly about money ... lots of money.
On the other hand, "the war on terror" is actually not even a real war, or did the US Senate/Congress declare war in 2001 or anytime since??
When looking at the results of this "war on terror" over the last 17 years, it is obvious that this "war" is actually disguised terrorism by which far more people have been terrorized, driven from their homelands and killed than any other terror has done ...I'm sure @Wolfgang will come up with his crazy conspiracy theories on this,
No conspiracy theories needed .... just open your eyeballs, use your God given ability of logic and reason and make up your mind instead of allowing it to be brainwashed by "official propaganda" / "fake news".
But the war on terror is not about money or territory. It is about rooting out terrorism.
There are indeed some fighting a war against terrorism and terrorists ... however, it is not the USA who is doing so. Comparing what the USA and its "moderate terrorists" are doing in Syria (and have been doing ever since they introduced this "proxy war" into Syria with what Syria and its allied forces are doing ... it should be obvious who is rooting out terrorism and who is supporting terrorism in their attempt to regime change and be the world hegemon.
All kinds of evil equals all the evil ever? Can't be. Satan was evil before money was even created.
It still comes down to war is based on money, the root of all (many kinds of) evil. Zionism is the present catalyst bringing terror to America's shores. And those who support it, support terror.
I just gave you an example of a war that is NOT about money.
If the love of money is the root of all evil, and war is evil, how can war not be about money or territory?
The love of money isn't the root of all evil. Was money the root of Satan's evil or Adam's original sin?
Money is the epitome of hatred. It works only if wealth remains unequal. So it is a tool most sought after by wicked people.
What does that have to do with my point?
Money (in various forms) is solidly linked to being the cause of all war.
Which was not my point. My POINT was that money cannot be the root of all evil. Satan is evil and it has nothing to do with money.
“For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.” (1 Timothy 6:10)
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@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
And war is not always about money and territory. I would recommend you read up on some wars and figure out what they are really about. A lot of wars are, yes, but not all.Paul says the love of money is the root of ALL evil. This includes war. Name one not about money or territory?
Actually, Paul does not say that at all. How could he? It would be false.
10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.
That is different than all evil.
That being said. The war on terror is not about money or territory. That's just one example.
I'm sure @Wolfgang will come up with his crazy conspiracy theories on this, and @C_M_ will talk about the injustice of America. But the war on terror is not about money or territory. It is about rooting out terrorism.
“For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.” (1 Timothy 6:10)
The war on terror is about Israel's money and territory.
I see you are stuck to the KJV rendering. Of course, we can know that your interpretation/translation cannot be correct. Satan was the initial evil and it was not about money at all. Therefore, the love of money CANNOT be the root of all evil.
That being said, in the context of the whole passage it is talking about a specific instance and the kinds of evil that can come about from it. It in no way suggests that all evil is due to the love of money.
And about the war on terror, it had and continue to has, nothing to do with Israel. Do you even know how the war on terror began? Perhaps you need a history lesson. Israel did not come into the equation.
All kinds of evil = includes war. While terrorism is older than the Israeli occupation of Palestine, much of today's Middle East Terrorism links directly to it.
That has nothing to do with the US war on Terror.
Peter, to the arresting of Jesus.
@Wolfgang said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
Paul says the love of money is the root of ALL evil. This includes war. Name one not about money or territory?Actually, Paul does not say that at all. How could he? It would be false.
10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.That is different than all evil.
How is "all kinds of evil" different from "all evil" ?? Would "all kinds of evil" not include "all evil" by definition?
That being said. The war on terror is not about money or territory. That's just one example.
Well, there is plenty of indication that "the war on terror" is most certainly about money ... lots of money.
On the other hand, "the war on terror" is actually not even a real war, or did the US Senate/Congress declare war in 2001 or anytime since??
When looking at the results of this "war on terror" over the last 17 years, it is obvious that this "war" is actually disguised terrorism by which far more people have been terrorized, driven from their homelands and killed than any other terror has done ...I'm sure @Wolfgang will come up with his crazy conspiracy theories on this,
No conspiracy theories needed .... just open your eyeballs, use your God given ability of logic and reason and make up your mind instead of allowing it to be brainwashed by "official propaganda" / "fake news".
But the war on terror is not about money or territory. It is about rooting out terrorism.
There are indeed some fighting a war against terrorism and terrorists ... however, it is not the USA who is doing so. Comparing what the USA and its "moderate terrorists" are doing in Syria (and have been doing ever since they introduced this "proxy war" into Syria with what Syria and its allied forces are doing ... it should be obvious who is rooting out terrorism and who is supporting terrorism in their attempt to regime change and be the world hegemon.
All kinds of evil equals all the evil ever? Can't be. Satan was evil before money was even created.
It still comes down to war is based on money, the root of all (many kinds of) evil. Zionism is the present catalyst bringing terror to America's shores. And those who support it, support terror.
I just gave you an example of a war that is NOT about money.
If the love of money is the root of all evil, and war is evil, how can war not be about money or territory?
The love of money isn't the root of all evil. Was money the root of Satan's evil or Adam's original sin?
Money is the epitome of hatred. It works only if wealth remains unequal. So it is a tool most sought after by wicked people.
What does that have to do with my point?
Money (in various forms) is solidly linked to being the cause of all war.
Which was not my point. My POINT was that money cannot be the root of all evil. Satan is evil and it has nothing to do with money.
“For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.” (1 Timothy 6:10)
Even still, Satan's original evil and Adam's original sin had nothing to do with the love of money. Therefore it cannot be the root of all evil. All kinds of evil is the better translation.
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@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
And war is not always about money and territory. I would recommend you read up on some wars and figure out what they are really about. A lot of wars are, yes, but not all.Paul says the love of money is the root of ALL evil. This includes war. Name one not about money or territory?
Actually, Paul does not say that at all. How could he? It would be false.
10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.
That is different than all evil.
That being said. The war on terror is not about money or territory. That's just one example.
I'm sure @Wolfgang will come up with his crazy conspiracy theories on this, and @C_M_ will talk about the injustice of America. But the war on terror is not about money or territory. It is about rooting out terrorism.
“For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.” (1 Timothy 6:10)
The war on terror is about Israel's money and territory.
I see you are stuck to the KJV rendering. Of course, we can know that your interpretation/translation cannot be correct. Satan was the initial evil and it was not about money at all. Therefore, the love of money CANNOT be the root of all evil.
That being said, in the context of the whole passage it is talking about a specific instance and the kinds of evil that can come about from it. It in no way suggests that all evil is due to the love of money.
And about the war on terror, it had and continue to has, nothing to do with Israel. Do you even know how the war on terror began? Perhaps you need a history lesson. Israel did not come into the equation.
All kinds of evil = includes war. While terrorism is older than the Israeli occupation of Palestine, much of today's Middle East Terrorism links directly to it.
That has nothing to do with the US war on Terror.
Peter, to the arresting of Jesus.
@Wolfgang said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
Paul says the love of money is the root of ALL evil. This includes war. Name one not about money or territory?Actually, Paul does not say that at all. How could he? It would be false.
10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.That is different than all evil.
How is "all kinds of evil" different from "all evil" ?? Would "all kinds of evil" not include "all evil" by definition?
That being said. The war on terror is not about money or territory. That's just one example.
Well, there is plenty of indication that "the war on terror" is most certainly about money ... lots of money.
On the other hand, "the war on terror" is actually not even a real war, or did the US Senate/Congress declare war in 2001 or anytime since??
When looking at the results of this "war on terror" over the last 17 years, it is obvious that this "war" is actually disguised terrorism by which far more people have been terrorized, driven from their homelands and killed than any other terror has done ...I'm sure @Wolfgang will come up with his crazy conspiracy theories on this,
No conspiracy theories needed .... just open your eyeballs, use your God given ability of logic and reason and make up your mind instead of allowing it to be brainwashed by "official propaganda" / "fake news".
But the war on terror is not about money or territory. It is about rooting out terrorism.
There are indeed some fighting a war against terrorism and terrorists ... however, it is not the USA who is doing so. Comparing what the USA and its "moderate terrorists" are doing in Syria (and have been doing ever since they introduced this "proxy war" into Syria with what Syria and its allied forces are doing ... it should be obvious who is rooting out terrorism and who is supporting terrorism in their attempt to regime change and be the world hegemon.
All kinds of evil equals all the evil ever? Can't be. Satan was evil before money was even created.
It still comes down to war is based on money, the root of all (many kinds of) evil. Zionism is the present catalyst bringing terror to America's shores. And those who support it, support terror.
I just gave you an example of a war that is NOT about money.
If the love of money is the root of all evil, and war is evil, how can war not be about money or territory?
The love of money isn't the root of all evil. Was money the root of Satan's evil or Adam's original sin?
Money is the epitome of hatred. It works only if wealth remains unequal. So it is a tool most sought after by wicked people.
What does that have to do with my point?
Money (in various forms) is solidly linked to being the cause of all war.
Which was not my point. My POINT was that money cannot be the root of all evil. Satan is evil and it has nothing to do with money.
“For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.” (1 Timothy 6:10)
Even still, Satan's original evil and Adam's original sin had nothing to do with the love of money. Therefore it cannot be the root of all evil. All kinds of evil is the better translation.
Scripture plainly contradicts you. It is better to say "I don't understand" then to call God a liar because you obviously do not understand.
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@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
And war is not always about money and territory. I would recommend you read up on some wars and figure out what they are really about. A lot of wars are, yes, but not all.Paul says the love of money is the root of ALL evil. This includes war. Name one not about money or territory?
Actually, Paul does not say that at all. How could he? It would be false.
10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.
That is different than all evil.
That being said. The war on terror is not about money or territory. That's just one example.
I'm sure @Wolfgang will come up with his crazy conspiracy theories on this, and @C_M_ will talk about the injustice of America. But the war on terror is not about money or territory. It is about rooting out terrorism.
“For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.” (1 Timothy 6:10)
The war on terror is about Israel's money and territory.
I see you are stuck to the KJV rendering. Of course, we can know that your interpretation/translation cannot be correct. Satan was the initial evil and it was not about money at all. Therefore, the love of money CANNOT be the root of all evil.
That being said, in the context of the whole passage it is talking about a specific instance and the kinds of evil that can come about from it. It in no way suggests that all evil is due to the love of money.
And about the war on terror, it had and continue to has, nothing to do with Israel. Do you even know how the war on terror began? Perhaps you need a history lesson. Israel did not come into the equation.
All kinds of evil = includes war. While terrorism is older than the Israeli occupation of Palestine, much of today's Middle East Terrorism links directly to it.
That has nothing to do with the US war on Terror.
Peter, to the arresting of Jesus.
@Wolfgang said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
Paul says the love of money is the root of ALL evil. This includes war. Name one not about money or territory?Actually, Paul does not say that at all. How could he? It would be false.
10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.That is different than all evil.
How is "all kinds of evil" different from "all evil" ?? Would "all kinds of evil" not include "all evil" by definition?
That being said. The war on terror is not about money or territory. That's just one example.
Well, there is plenty of indication that "the war on terror" is most certainly about money ... lots of money.
On the other hand, "the war on terror" is actually not even a real war, or did the US Senate/Congress declare war in 2001 or anytime since??
When looking at the results of this "war on terror" over the last 17 years, it is obvious that this "war" is actually disguised terrorism by which far more people have been terrorized, driven from their homelands and killed than any other terror has done ...I'm sure @Wolfgang will come up with his crazy conspiracy theories on this,
No conspiracy theories needed .... just open your eyeballs, use your God given ability of logic and reason and make up your mind instead of allowing it to be brainwashed by "official propaganda" / "fake news".
But the war on terror is not about money or territory. It is about rooting out terrorism.
There are indeed some fighting a war against terrorism and terrorists ... however, it is not the USA who is doing so. Comparing what the USA and its "moderate terrorists" are doing in Syria (and have been doing ever since they introduced this "proxy war" into Syria with what Syria and its allied forces are doing ... it should be obvious who is rooting out terrorism and who is supporting terrorism in their attempt to regime change and be the world hegemon.
All kinds of evil equals all the evil ever? Can't be. Satan was evil before money was even created.
It still comes down to war is based on money, the root of all (many kinds of) evil. Zionism is the present catalyst bringing terror to America's shores. And those who support it, support terror.
I just gave you an example of a war that is NOT about money.
If the love of money is the root of all evil, and war is evil, how can war not be about money or territory?
The love of money isn't the root of all evil. Was money the root of Satan's evil or Adam's original sin?
Money is the epitome of hatred. It works only if wealth remains unequal. So it is a tool most sought after by wicked people.
What does that have to do with my point?
Money (in various forms) is solidly linked to being the cause of all war.
Which was not my point. My POINT was that money cannot be the root of all evil. Satan is evil and it has nothing to do with money.
“For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.” (1 Timothy 6:10)
Even still, Satan's original evil and Adam's original sin had nothing to do with the love of money. Therefore it cannot be the root of all evil. All kinds of evil is the better translation.
Scripture plainly contradicts you. It is better to say "I don't understand" then to call God a liar because you obviously do not understand.
No Scripture does not contradict. You misinterpreted. If it contradicts, you are the one with the interpretation that contradicts. So how is money the root of all evil with regard to Satan and original sin if money did not yet exist?
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@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
And war is not always about money and territory. I would recommend you read up on some wars and figure out what they are really about. A lot of wars are, yes, but not all.Paul says the love of money is the root of ALL evil. This includes war. Name one not about money or territory?
Actually, Paul does not say that at all. How could he? It would be false.
10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.
That is different than all evil.
That being said. The war on terror is not about money or territory. That's just one example.
I'm sure @Wolfgang will come up with his crazy conspiracy theories on this, and @C_M_ will talk about the injustice of America. But the war on terror is not about money or territory. It is about rooting out terrorism.
“For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.” (1 Timothy 6:10)
The war on terror is about Israel's money and territory.
I see you are stuck to the KJV rendering. Of course, we can know that your interpretation/translation cannot be correct. Satan was the initial evil and it was not about money at all. Therefore, the love of money CANNOT be the root of all evil.
That being said, in the context of the whole passage it is talking about a specific instance and the kinds of evil that can come about from it. It in no way suggests that all evil is due to the love of money.
And about the war on terror, it had and continue to has, nothing to do with Israel. Do you even know how the war on terror began? Perhaps you need a history lesson. Israel did not come into the equation.
All kinds of evil = includes war. While terrorism is older than the Israeli occupation of Palestine, much of today's Middle East Terrorism links directly to it.
That has nothing to do with the US war on Terror.
Peter, to the arresting of Jesus.
@Wolfgang said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
Paul says the love of money is the root of ALL evil. This includes war. Name one not about money or territory?Actually, Paul does not say that at all. How could he? It would be false.
10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.That is different than all evil.
How is "all kinds of evil" different from "all evil" ?? Would "all kinds of evil" not include "all evil" by definition?
That being said. The war on terror is not about money or territory. That's just one example.
Well, there is plenty of indication that "the war on terror" is most certainly about money ... lots of money.
On the other hand, "the war on terror" is actually not even a real war, or did the US Senate/Congress declare war in 2001 or anytime since??
When looking at the results of this "war on terror" over the last 17 years, it is obvious that this "war" is actually disguised terrorism by which far more people have been terrorized, driven from their homelands and killed than any other terror has done ...I'm sure @Wolfgang will come up with his crazy conspiracy theories on this,
No conspiracy theories needed .... just open your eyeballs, use your God given ability of logic and reason and make up your mind instead of allowing it to be brainwashed by "official propaganda" / "fake news".
But the war on terror is not about money or territory. It is about rooting out terrorism.
There are indeed some fighting a war against terrorism and terrorists ... however, it is not the USA who is doing so. Comparing what the USA and its "moderate terrorists" are doing in Syria (and have been doing ever since they introduced this "proxy war" into Syria with what Syria and its allied forces are doing ... it should be obvious who is rooting out terrorism and who is supporting terrorism in their attempt to regime change and be the world hegemon.
All kinds of evil equals all the evil ever? Can't be. Satan was evil before money was even created.
It still comes down to war is based on money, the root of all (many kinds of) evil. Zionism is the present catalyst bringing terror to America's shores. And those who support it, support terror.
I just gave you an example of a war that is NOT about money.
If the love of money is the root of all evil, and war is evil, how can war not be about money or territory?
The love of money isn't the root of all evil. Was money the root of Satan's evil or Adam's original sin?
Money is the epitome of hatred. It works only if wealth remains unequal. So it is a tool most sought after by wicked people.
What does that have to do with my point?
Money (in various forms) is solidly linked to being the cause of all war.
Which was not my point. My POINT was that money cannot be the root of all evil. Satan is evil and it has nothing to do with money.
“For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.” (1 Timothy 6:10)
Even still, Satan's original evil and Adam's original sin had nothing to do with the love of money. Therefore it cannot be the root of all evil. All kinds of evil is the better translation.
Scripture plainly contradicts you. It is better to say "I don't understand" then to call God a liar because you obviously do not understand.
No Scripture does not contradict. You misinterpreted. If it contradicts, you are the one with the interpretation that contradicts. So how is money the root of all evil with regard to Satan and original sin if money did not yet exist?
You are flatly denying what Scripture plainly says. “For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.” (1 Timothy 6:10)
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Brethren,
Are you looking at 1 Tim 6:10, [“ For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.”] in its context? Are you trying to make it say more than what is?
God's role with regard to evil is never as its author. He simply permits evil agents to work, then overrules evil for His own wise and holy ends. Ultimately He is able to make all things-including all the fruits of all the evil of all time-work together for a greater good (Romans 8:28).
The supernatural power of evil is seen as behind all illness. Perhaps, the author of the OP wants to deal with theories of theodicy in extracting the word "evil" from the text above. Many believe ultimately, all evil is traceable to Satan, the originator of sin (see sources below).
Theodicy is designed to respond to the problem of evil: namely, how to justify the existence of an omnibenevolent and omnipotent God in the face of evil and suffering in the world. Theodicy is more concerned to explain:
- Moral evil (evil which is intended).
- Natural evil (which seems to happen randomly, such as disease, tornadoes, etc.).
Some explanations of “natural evil” include: work of demonic forces, punishment for sin, good cannot exist with evil, evil makes “higher-order” possible, natural laws that must be in place for intelligent beings to exercise free will. Can the love of money be the cause of evil # 2?
If Theodicy is where you're going remember, humanity has dealt with evil and the temptations that come from its evil source. Good versus evil is played out every day in the world. God’s goodness has made a way of escape for each person to experience forgiveness.
God is not responsible for evil but simply adapts to what has occurred to once again attempt to persuade the person toward his vision of their better actualization.
- “Because God's ideals are good, any deficiency or evil actualized in the world is not his doing. Yet God always aims to improve things by continually comprehending the world in terms of his ideal values. ‘This transmutation of evil into good enters into the actual world by reason of the inclusion of the nature of God, which includes the ideal vision of each actual evil so met with a novel consequent as to issue in the restoration of goodness.’ God does not cause or prevent instances of evil, but he tries to make the best of them by viewing them in his own vision of the greater good. Thus 'evil becomes a stepping stone in the all-embracing ideals of God.’” (See Cooper below).
God is not culpable for the evil in the world, because evil is produced by the liberated choice of individuals who works against the will of God. I hope this helps. CM
SOURCES:
-- http://www3.dbu.edu/mitchell/theodicy.htm
-- William H. Willimon, Sighing for Eden: Sin, Evil, and the Christian Faith (Nashville, TN: Abingdon, 1985), 38-64.
-- Cooper, John W. Panentheism, The Other God of the Philosophers: From Plato to the Present. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Academic, 2006, pg 174.
-- Cobb, John B. Jesus' Abba: The God Who Has Not Failed, 2016, pg 66.
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