Who is Michael in the Book of Daniel?

C McC Mc Posts: 4,050

The name Michael, what does it means or designates? Is Michael a man, an angel or what? Let's keep in mind the Book of Daniel is a prophetic book (written in the 6th Century B. C.) with correlation to the Book of Revelation (prophetic in nature). What importance does this figure have to do with the Last Book of the Bible (Rev) and today's Christians? CM

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  • reformedreformed Posts: 3,132

    @C_M_ said:
    The name Michael, what does it means or designates? Is Michael a man, an angel or what? Let's keep in mind the Book of Daniel is a prophetic book (written in the 6th Century B. C.) with correlation to the Book of Revelation (prophetic in nature). What importance does this figure have to do with the Last Book of the Bible (Rev) and today's Christians? CM

    He is an Archangel.

  • theMadJWtheMadJW Posts: 168

    What name did Jesus have before being GIVEN the name "Jesus" when he came to earth?

    To understand this issue, one must understand what an angel is in the FIRST place!

    Angel in Hebrew means simply "Messenger"- thus the elders of the congregations addressed in Revelation (Chapter 2) are referred to as- you guessed it- angels!

    Jesus was himself an ANGEL - the greatest messenger (angel) of all time! 

    Mal 3:1- "Behold, I send my messenger to prepare the way before me, and Jehovah whom you seek will suddenly come to his temple; the ANGEL of the covenant in whom you delight, behold, he is coming, says Jehovah of hosts. 2- But who can endure the day of his coming, and who can stand when he appears?"


    Michael is described with the authority that only Christ is shown  to have. The confrontation with Satan over Moses body (Jude 9)  was long before Jesus was given the HIGHEST authority of his  Father (after his death & resurrection)- AND before the Son of God  was GIVEN the name "JESUS"!

    Daniel 12:1- refers to Michael standing up for God's people at  the time of the end during the Great Tribulation, as Christ later REVEALED HE HIMSELF WOULD DO! "Jesus the Son of  God" WAS COMPLETELY UNKNOWN TO GOD'S PEOPLE (Israel) at that time.

    Then comes the further revelations thru the inspired Christian records: 

    Paul at 1 Thess 4:16 tell us Christ acts with the voice (authority) OF THE ARCHANGEL- and he's LEADING an army of angels   (2 Thess1:9)! That authority wasn't given to him by an archangel! That authority was straight from God Himself- the authority/ voice of the Angels' Leader was Christ- he IS the Archangel. Finally, 

    The name! Michael means, in Hebrew, "Who Is Like God?" Even  tho men on Earth have been given that name- ONLY ONE PERSON ANYWHERE is TRULY LIKE God...Guess who?! Bingo! 

     JESUS is the ONLY one!!! You know the scriptures! 

    God inspired John to refer to Jesus by his original name, Michael, in Revelation to verify that Daniel's prophecy of Michael protecting God's people- would still take place!

    Jesus is indisputably the one who leads God's angels at this time (Last Days)- and that is what the title "Archangel" means!

  • WolfgangWolfgang Posts: 3,552

    The name! Michael means, in Hebrew, "Who Is Like God?" Even  tho men on Earth have been given that name- ONLY ONE PERSON ANYWHERE is TRULY LIKE God...Guess who?! Bingo! 

    Indeed, the meaning of the name "Michael" means "Who is like God?" ... the answer to this rhetorical question and what is thus conveyed by that name is "NO ONE is like God!"

    Jesus himself made clear plenty of times that he did not regard himself to be like God, rather always made a clear distinction between himself and God.

     JESUS is the ONLY one!!! You know the scriptures!

    Do YOU really know the Scriptures? Jesus taught that God is GREATER than he was, Jesus taught that God IS SPIRIT which he was not, etc. etc.

  • theMadJWtheMadJW Posts: 168

    Part of the Truth, with the rest ignorance...

  • BroRandoBroRando Posts: 75

    "During that time {Jesus Christ} will stand up, the Great Prince who is standing in behalf of your people. And there will occur a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time. And during that time your people will escape, everyone who is found written down in the book." (Daniel 12:1)

  • theMadJWtheMadJW Posts: 168

    As Christ in the Great Tribulation!

  • C McC Mc Posts: 4,050

    Revelation 12:7, 9 -- “And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought...So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” Revelation 12:7, 9. NKJV.

    Michael
    The Bible mentions Michael (his name means “Who is like God?”) in five passages:
    1. In Dan 10:13, Michael is presented as one of the chief princes.
    2. In Dan 10:21, Michael is the only one who is able to help Gabriel in his battle over the minds of the Persian leaders. He is also portrayed as the Prince of God’s people.
    3. Dan 12:1, depicts Michael as the One who stands for His people, i.e., he is their intercessor, protector, and help in the time of trouble. He is pictured as the great Prince.
    4. According to Jude 1:9, Michael has authority to resurrect Moses and is characterized as an archangel.
    5. In Rev 12:7, Michael is the leader of the heavenly army and defeats Satan and his fallen angels. His victory is described in a colorful manner. When the above texts are connected with 1 Thess 4:16–18 and John 5:26–29, it becomes evident that Michael’s voice is the voice of the archangel, and this is the voice of Jesus at the resurrection day. On the basis of his role, authority, position, and mission one may conclude that Michael is Christ.

    For starters, consider the biblical account. CM

  • theMadJWtheMadJW Posts: 168

    And consider Jesus is an ANGEL (Messenger of God)~

    Mal 3:1- "Behold, I send my messenger to prepare the way before me, and Jehovah whom you seek will suddenly come to his temple; the ANGEL of the covenant in whom you delight, behold, he is coming, says Jehovah of hosts. 2- But who can endure the day of his coming, and who can stand when he appears?"

    1 Thess 4:16-For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. -KJV


  • C McC Mc Posts: 4,050

    @theMadJW

    And consider Jesus is an ANGEL (Messenger of God)~

    Not so fast. Let's continue mining the text.

    In Daniel, two of the angelic beings have names. This is the only book in the Hebrew Bible in which this is so.
    1. Gabriel (גבריאל)
    2. Michael (מיכאל) are both named in the book of Daniel (Dan 8:16, 9:21, 10:13, 10:21, 12:1). Though they are not actually called “angels” in the text. On the identification of a “man” as an angel, you may want to consider the following:

    • Sullivan, Kevin P. Wrestling with Angels: A Study of the Relationship between Angels and Humans in Ancient Jewish Literature and the New Testament., 2004, pp 37-85.
    • Schöpflin, Karin. “YHWH's Agents of Doom. The Punishing Function of Angels in Post- Exilic Writings of the Old Testament.” Pages 125-137 in Angels: The Concept of Celestial Beings-Origins, Development and Reception. Edited by Friedrich V. Reiterer, Tobias Nicklas, and Karin Schöpflin. Deuterocanonical and Cognate Literature Yearbook. Berlin: de Gruyter, 2007, pp 125-126.

    In addition, please note the names Gabriel (גבריאל) and Michael appear again later in the NT (Luke 1:19, 26; Jude 9; Rev 12:7). as well as in extra-biblical literature:

    • In 1 En. alone we find numerous occurences: 1 En. 9:1, 10:9, 10:11, 20:5, 20:7, 24:6, 40:9, 54:6, .71:13 ,71:8-9 ,71:3 ,69:14-15 ,68:2-4 ,67:12 ,60:4-5

    Michael is said to be opposing the Prince of Persia (שׂר מלכות פּרס) in Dan 10:13, which is similar to his role of opposing the devil in the NT (Jude 9, Rev 12:7). Within the Book of Daniel, there is also an indication of a type of hierarchy within the celestial sphere. There is a mention of שׂר־הצבא, “the Prince of the Host” (Dan 8:11), [“prince of princes” in Dan 8:25].

    Michael is described variously as one of the chief princes” (or “the first of the chief princes,” [אחד for the ordinal number “first.”] Dan“ אחד השׂרים הראשׁנים .)12:1 the great prince” (Dan“ ,השׂר הגדול your prince” (Dan 10:21), and“ ,שׂרכם , )10:13 While these descriptions of Michael are new to the Hebrew Bible, the terminology “Prince of the Host” is not. This title is used in Josh 5 by a mysterious being who is called שׂר־צבא יהוה, “Prince of the Host of YHWH” (Josh 5:14), thus implying that these beings in Joshua and Daniel are one and the same (Daniel 8:11 and 10:5).

    More on Michael later. CM

    SOURCES:
    * John J. Collins, “The Mythology of Holy War in Daniel and the Qumran War Scroll: A Point of Transition in Jewish Apocalyptic,” VT 25.3 (1975): 601 n. 20
    *Aleksander R. Michalak, Angels as Warriors in Late Second Temple Jewish Literature, p 43.
    * Benedikt Otzen, “Michael and Gabriel. Angelological Problems in the Book of Daniel,” in The Scriptures and the Scrolls: Studies in Honour of A. S. Van Der Woude on the Occasion of His 65th Birthday, eds. F. García Martínez, A Hilhorst, and C. J. Labuschagne, Supplements to Vetus Testamentum 49 (VTSup) (Leiden: Brill, 1992), 120-121.

  • BroRandoBroRando Posts: 75

    C Mc writes: "Michael is said to be opposing the Prince of Persia (שׂר מלכות פּרס) in Dan 10:13, which is similar to his role of opposing the devil in the NT (Jude 9Rev 12:7). Within the Book of Daniel, there is also an indication of a type of hierarchy within the celestial sphere. There is a mention of שׂר־הצבא, “the Prince of the Host” (Dan 8:11), [“prince of princes” in Dan 8:25].

    Michael is described variously as one of the chief princes” (or “the first of the chief princes,” [אחד for the ordinal number “first.”] Dan“ אחד השׂרים הראשׁנים .)12:1 the great prince” (Dan“ ,השׂר הגדול your prince” (Dan 10:21), and“ ,שׂרכם , )10:13 While these descriptions of Michael are new to the Hebrew Bible, the terminology “Prince of the Host” is not. This title is used in Josh 5 by a mysterious being who is called שׂר־צבא יהוה, “Prince of the Host of YHWH” (Josh 5:14), thus implying that these beings in Joshua and Daniel are one and the same (Daniel 8:11 and 10:5)."

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    "During that time {Jesus Christ} will stand up, the Great Prince who is standing in behalf of your people. And there will occur a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time. And during that time your people will escape, everyone who is found written down in the book. And many of those asleep in the dust of the earth will wake up, some to everlasting life and others to reproach and to everlasting contempt." (Daniel 12:1-2)

  • C McC Mc Posts: 4,050
    edited June 3

    @BroRando,

    I agree, according to chapter 12, Michael stands up at the end of time, and God's people will be delivered as Christ's everlasting kingdom is established. “Michael the archangel”:

    • Portrayed as opposing the devil (Jude 9; Rev 12:7-9).
    • Opposing the “Prince of Persia” (שׂר מלכות פּרס) in Daniel 10:13.
    • The term ὁ ἀρχάγγελος “the archangel,” (Jude 9) is a reference to Michael’s title the first of the chief princes,” אחד השׂרים הראשׁנים Dan 10:13 and recall the terminology שׂר־צבא יהוה, “Prince of the Host of YHWH” (Josh 5:14).
    • 2 Pet. 2:4; Jude 6 -- Angels sinned who follow Satan.
    • Luke 10:18; Rev. 12:4 -- Jesus saw Satan fall from heaven.
    • Rev. 12:4 -- 1/3 of the angels in heaven followed Satan in rebellion.    

    Dan 12:1-7 exercised a strong influence on the eschatology of Jesus. Not only is

    Dan 12:1 -- the source for the unprecedented tribulation of Mark 13:19/Matt 24:21, but 12:2 is the source for Jesus’ description of the resurrection in John 5:28-29;

    Dan 12:3 -- is the source for Matt 13:43, "Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father".

    Dan 12:7, "When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed, " is a source for both Mark 13:4 and Mark 13:30b/Matt 24:34b.

    Dan 12:13, like 12:2 -- indicates that the resurrection will occur "at the end of the days"—i.e., the days of persecution that begin when the daily sacrifice is abolished (12:11).

    Archangel

    This term is made up of two Greek words Archos + Angelos which means Ruler of the Angels. Therefore, Michael is the Ruler of the Angels

    The Hebrew word Michael is composed of three words: 

    MI = "Who"

    CHA = "As"

    EL = "God"

    Literally, it means "Who is like God" or "Who is as God". 

    The very name Michael draws attention to His equality with God

    Since Michael is the Old Testament name for Jesus Christ, that means that Michael is not a created being. He is the eternal Son of God. If God disguised Himself among the angels in the way He disguised Himself among humans, it may explain why Satan thought he could become God. 

    But you, Bethlehem Ephratah, though you are little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of you shall He come out to me, to be ruler in Israel; whose going out have been from of old, from everlasting. (Micah 5: 2

    Jesus Christ = The Prince = Eternal God = Michael = The Archangel (Ruler of the Angels) 

    The key point is that Jesus was active in the Old Testament times with His people as He is in New Testament times. 


    Keep studying! CM

    SOURCE:

    • Michalak, Angels as Warriors in Late Second Temple Jewish Literature, 43.
  • BroRandoBroRando Posts: 75


    C Mc writes: Literally, it means "Who is like God" or "Who is as God". 

    The very name Michael draws attention to His equality with God

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    Well, he was Begotten by Jehovah who Always existed before the Son came to "to be" (eimi) so the Son came into existence.

  • C McC Mc Posts: 4,050

    @BroRando said:

    "he was Begotten by Jehovah who Always existed before the Son came to "to be" (eimi) so the Son came into existence."

    What do you mean by your statement above? Please explain.

    Jesus was "Begotten"? Please explain. What do you mean by "Begotten"?

    • Are saying there was a time when Jesus, the Christ, was NOT?
    • Are you saying Jesus, the Christ, was created?

    Please explain... CM

  • BroRandoBroRando Posts: 75

    Jesus Christ's words were written down for all to see at (John 3:16) If you would like to read about Christ's Pre- human existence. Read Proverbs Chatter 8.

  • BroRandoBroRando Posts: 75

    Awesome..... there are many things I desire to share with you. I'll name just a few since my comments are in agreement with some of your statements about Michael. Many things you say are in the meaning of Beginning. John 1:1 is speaking about the starting point. A time earlier than the earth. Begotten means "brought forth". It's an action not needed for something or someone who already existed.

    Look and See and gain understanding.

    Wisdom at Creation

    22 "Yahweh possessed me, [the] first of his ways, before his acts {of old}23 From eternity, I was set up from [the] first, from the beginning of the earth.  24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth, when there were no springs of {abounding} water.  25 Before mountains had been shaped, before hills, I was brought forth.  26 When HE had not yet made earth and fields, or the first dust of the world,  27 {when he established} the heavens, there I [was], {when he drew} a circle upon the face of the deep,  28 {when he made} skies from above, when he founded fountains of the deep,  29 {when he assigned} his limits to the sea, that waters shall not transgress his {command}, {when he marked} the foundations of the earth,  30 I was {beside} him, a master workman, and I was delighting day by day, rejoicing before him {always},  31 rejoicing in the world of HIS earth, and my delight [was] with the children of humankind. (Proverbs 8:22-30) https://www.biblestudytools.com/leb/proverbs/8.html

    Now because you are willing....

    Strong's Concordance

    arché: beginning, origin

    Original Word: ἀρχή, ῆς, ἡ

    Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine

    Transliteration: arché

    Phonetic Spelling: (ar-khay')

    Definition: beginning, origin

    Usage: (a) rule (kingly or magisterial), (b) plur: in a quasi-personal sense, almost: rulers, magistrates, (c) beginning.

    HELPS Word-studies

    746 arxḗ – properly, from the beginning (temporal sense), i.e. "the initial (starting) point"; (figuratively) what comes first and therefore is chief  (foremost), i.e. has the priority because ahead of the rest ("preeminent").

    The Word of God is the Arché Aggelos from eternity or you can also say from the beginning, the starting point and is preeminent.

  • WolfgangWolfgang Posts: 3,552

    Prov 8 is about God's wisdom, NOT about "a begotten god" floating around somewhere. Simple and plain truth.

  • Bill_ColeyBill_Coley Posts: 2,394

    @BroRando posted:

    Christ is the Wisdom of God (1 Corinthians 1:24)

    In a post created on May 30, I engaged what was then your new contention of a connection between Proverbs 8 and Paul's assertion about Christ in 1 Corinthians 1. At the end of that May 30 post I asked you two questions:

    1. On what basis do you have confidence that by his use of the female term "חָכְמָה," the author of Proverbs 8 intends to refer to a male (or female, for that matter) human being?
    2. On what basis do you have confidence that Paul is referencing wisdom as described in Proverbs 8 when he asserts that Jesus "became wisdom from God" to us (1 Cor 1.30, ESV)?

    You did not respond to my questions, so I re-posed them to you in THIS POST and then THIS POST.

    When you didn't respond to either of those appearances of the questions, @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus reminded you of them in THIS POST and then THIS POST.

    You did not respond.

    I then offered you the sixth presentation of those two questions in THIS POST.

    In response, you asserted that you had already answered my questions, which prompted me to ask for links to the specific posts in which you had done so.

    You did not respond.

    Those two questions made their seventh - and most recent - appearance in THIS POST of mine on June 1.

    In response, and apparently, at least in part because I had informed you that I was not a Trinitarian, in THIS POST you declared your willingness to "circle back" to my questions.

    I'm still waiting... as I am still waiting for your direct response to the questions I first posed to you in THIS POST about your contention, in THIS POST, that Jesus is the angel referenced in Acts 27.23, questions that I have also have posed to you multiple times (at least four).

  • BroRandoBroRando Posts: 75
    edited June 4



    C Mc writes: Literally, it means "Who is like God" or "Who is as God". 

    The very name Michael draws attention to His equality with God

    ===============================================================================================================

    Well, he was Begotten by Jehovah who Always existed before the Son came "to be" (eimi) so the Son came into existence.


    There are two Names that have the (?) in their meanings. It is a statement in the form of a question.

    -- Michael "Who is Like God?

    -- Immanuel "With us is God?"

    So the truth of the matter is Isaiah 9:6 is speaking about Michael, the one who is coming into the world and was given the Name (Jesus). (Philippians 2:6-11)

    John 1;1 is speaking about this person when it states, "In the Beginning was the Word" The Word defends Jehovah's Sovereignty and asks to be glorified and announces in public prayer to the Father that you are the only true God in (John 17:-3)

  • BroRandoBroRando Posts: 75
    1. On what basis do you have confidence that by his use of the female term "חָכְמָה," the author of Proverbs 8 intends to refer to a male (or female, for that matter) human being?

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    It's masculine or feminine. Read (Proverbs 8:30) for the answer...

  • Bill_ColeyBill_Coley Posts: 2,394

    @BroRando posted:

    It's masculine or feminine. Read (Proverbs 8:30) for the answer...

    I didn't ask specifically about your confidence regarding the gender of the noun. I asked specifically about your confidence regarding the species of the being to which the noun refers. On what basis do you have confidence that by his use of the female term "חָכְמָה," the author of Proverbs 8 intends to refer to a human being?

    The male pronoun "him" in Proverbs 8.30 does NOT refer to wisdom, but rather to Jahweh, next to whom wisdom - who is the passage's narrator (e.g. Proverbs 8.12) - claims to have stood, delighted, and rejoiced. In my view, then, Proverbs 8.30 proves nothing about the gender of wisdom.

    Clearly my question still stands, as do the numerous other questions I've posed to you in the last week, all but one of which you seem to have refused even to mention, let alone address.

    If you don't want to answer questions about your views - which, from your refusal to engage them, certainly SEEMS to be the case - simply say so and I'll stop asking.

  • BroRandoBroRando Posts: 75

    It's masculine or feminine. Read (Proverbs 8:30) for the answer...


     I was ⌊beside⌋r him, a master workman,

    and I was delighting day by day,

    rejoicing before him ⌊always⌋,

  • BroRandoBroRando Posts: 75

    Builder of Gad's Temple (Read Proverbs 9:1)

    True wisdom has built her house;

    It has carved* out its seven pillars.

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