How can God who is Eternal be a feminine genitive as trinitarians claim?

Brother Rando

How can God who is Eternal be a triad of feminine genitives as trinitarians claim? Why is the Greek word for trinity not found in scripture?

Questions trinitarians cannot answer. How come Jesus Christ is NEVER mentioned in the trinity doctrine? There is only one answer. The trinity is the Anti-Christ opposed to CHRIST. That's why they try to turn Jesus into a multitude of gods. There is only one thing worse than pagan and that is being Anti-Christian, an opposser of Christ, an apostate. John called them antiichrists in plural because there are many of them in the last moment in the Devil's time of his End.

1 John 2:18

Young children, it is the last hour, and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared, from which fact we know that it is the last hour.

1 John 2:22

Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.

2 John 1:7

For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those not acknowledging Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.

1 John 4:3

But every inspired statement that does not acknowledge Jesus does not originate with God. Furthermore, this is the antichrist’s inspired statement that you have heard was coming, and now it is already in the world.

BEWARE of this DEMONIC teaching by Lucifer - a feminine genitive

KerimF

I heard a lot the word 'Trinity', but I still have no clear idea what this word is supposed to mean exactly in one's life. It seems the word 'Trinity' (as many other words) has different meanings, I mean it could also be interpreted differently by people in general.

I wonder which one of these interpretations is referred to on this thread. Thank you.

Brother Rando

https://www.christiandiscourse.net/discussion/comment/23282#Comment_23282

You're not alone, trinitarians have no clear idea of the trinity either. They have many different opinions about it but refuse to post the trinity doctrine they supposing believe in, since the doctrine is completely absent from the Bible. Even trinitarians whom claim to be trinitarians all their life have no answer and certainly would not post their trinity doctrine because their opinions do not match the doctrines. For every trinitarian is a different opinion.

The trinity doctrine is easy to find on Google.

The Catholic trinity proclaims three separate persons make up God. As you see you can read: The Father is God - The Son is God - The Holy Spirit is God. Yet the doctrine then reverses itself and explains that The Father is Not the Son, The Son is Not the Father and the Holy Spirit is neither The Father nor the Son.

Since One God is not the other God. it is made up of three gods because each Person is separate. The Bible gives a clear warning that "You must not have any other gods besides me." (Exodus 20:3)

At this point the trinitarian begins to turn red and shouts out blasphemies and at the top of their voice claims 'Jesus is God'!

• The Bible makes no such claim
• The trinity makes no such claim
• None of the various trinities (and they are many) never state Jesus or Jesus Christ in their doctrine.

Trinitarians go to the 9th degree in twisting and claiming what it NEVER states. Case in point. Here is a trinitarian claiming that Jesus is God and notice he omits Christ, doesn't quote any scripture, nor post any trinity doctrine to prove his point, because it simply does not exist.

• @C Mc - "Jesus is God." It's in plain sight from Genesis to Revelation. Jesus is Co-equal, Co-creator, and Co-eternal with the Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit.  Study the thread and see how this trinitarian is exposed by a Christian.
• This trinitarian actually claims "Jesus is Co-equal, Co-creator, and Co-eternal with the Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit." Four makes a Quadinty.

Another trinitarian who has a totally different view.

• @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus states:
• God is made up of three created angels
• God is made up of three created voices
• God is made up of three created colors

You will see a common theme with trinitarians and their doctrines all have OMITTED CHRIST. And No matter what form of three they preach, even though it is wrong, a false trinitarian always tries to cover another false trinitarian at all costs. Even if it cost them their lives.

Ask a trinitarian who became man? They will answer "God became man'. But the Bible gives us a warning stating, "For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those not acknowledging Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist." (2 John 1:7)

Jesus Christ stated, "God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.” (John 4:24)

• See that? God is a Spirit - he never stated God is made up of three things or multi-natured. Matter of fact, the Bible states God is not a man nor a son of man.

Plus, Jesus Christ also stated, "Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him." (John 4:23)

All the Best in your studies.

BroRando

KerimF

@Brother Rando Thank you for your detailed reply.

I wonder how the best image of True God (our Creator) could be described.

Kerim

Brother Rando

https://www.christiandiscourse.net/discussion/comment/23284#Comment_23284

Hello @KerimF

Hope things are well with you and that your family is safe.

Jehovah was passing before him and declaring: “Jehovah, Jehovah, a God merciful and compassionate, slow to anger and abundant in loyal love and truth, showing loyal love to thousands, pardoning error and transgression and sin, but he will by no means leave the guilty unpunished, bringing punishment for the error of fathers upon sons and upon grandsons, upon the third generation and upon the fourth generation.” (Exodus 34:6-7)

• You well know that Jehovah your God is the true God, the faithful God, keeping his covenant and loyal love to a thousand generations of those who love him and keep his commandments. (Deuteronomy 7:9)
• But those who hate him he will repay to their face with destruction. He will not be slow to deal with those who hate him; he will repay them to their face. (Deuteronomy 7:10)

Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for according to his great mercy he gave us a new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, (1 Peter 1:3)

Jesus spoke these things, and raising his eyes to heaven, he said: “Father...  This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ." (John 17 1,3)

• Therefore, in response Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, the Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever things that One does, these things the Son does also in like manner. (John 5:19)
• But for the world to know that I love the Father, I am doing just as the Father has commanded me to do. Get up, let us go from here. (John 14:31)
• You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am. (John 14:28)

Hope these things help you in your Bible Studies.

KerimF

Hello @Brother Rando

From what you kindly presented; it seems that the image of God could be defined as follows:

[1] God is One-of-His-Kind Being (Supernatural, Superpower, Super King... etc.).

[2] God imposes rules and humans have no choice but to obey them to be on the safe side.

[3] God loves those who obey Him and hates those who disobey Him. In other words, a human has the power to let God be in good mood by obeying Him and let Him be in bad mood by disobeying Him (as if God gave deliberately His created humans the power to control His mood!).

[4] God may punish severely those who are guilty of committing certain error deliberately (though it is not clear from your post if His punishment is temporary or eternal).

This reminds me, to a great extent, the image of God that my Muslim friends are supposed to believe. They just call God ‘Allah’ whose rules are mentioned on their Quran (not on the OT or Torah). And their paradise is much like a beautiful land on earth with all known pleasures, but it is located somewhere in space (not on earth). They also have Hell, an eternal torturing place (also located somewhere in space). And since I used to tell them that their ruling Allah doesn’t exist in my reality (my life), they feel sad about me because their Allah will have to punish me in his Hell while they will end up be in Allah’s paradise (without me).

I guess I owe you now my best image of my Creator.

Please note that I don’t expect you to believe anything I will say, I just write what I have in mind:

A basic axiom, I can’t see my deep nature different from my Creator.

I personally hurt my soul if I impose any rule to be obeyed by some others even if I have the right and the means to do it. Therefore, I fool myself if I see my Creator is in need to impose more rules on his tiny creatures, humans, after He preprogrammed them (as all other living things) to execute a rather complex set of instructions (rules, called instincts). In other words, to be honest towards myself (my deep inner nature) any image of God that says: ‘God has imposed rules to be obeyed’, cannot exist in my life.

It happens that Jesus, on the Gospel, didn’t use one of the three words ‘obey’, ‘worship’ and ‘glorify’ instead of ‘love’ in His first and greatest advice. For instance, the word commandment in Arabic means an advice that a loving father gives to his beloved sons. After all, ‘true love’ cannot be commanded (as in the army), otherwise it could be anything but ‘true love’.

So, Jesus didn’t come to bring me rules to obey or rituals to observe. He just advices me to have an unlimited trust (with all my heart, soul and entire mind) in the One Will/Power, that created me, in whatever may happen to me and around me, during my temporary life. This may sound really hard to do (if not impossible) to most humans, but this is how I live. So, I didn’t have a reason to hate enemies (personal or else) or think to hurt them in any way. I even thank Heaven to send them to me so that I can live God’s Unlimited Love on earth as it is in Heaven. And I also didn’t have a reason to resist any sort of evil around me. Speaking logic, I shouldn’t be able to live that way for too long, but I am 75 despite all really hard situations I had to face while I have the Spirit of Love in my soul.

Before I go on to present how I see God’s image, I like to give two earthly examples:

Two persons decided to be partners (A and B) in creating and running a company (C). To achieve this project, they agreed on a well-defined contract and signed it (S). Now, if a client contacts ‘A’, he knows in advance that he is also contacting ‘B’, also his request (or else) has to be bounded by their contract (S). Then, if A or B will respond him, the reply will be sent to him from their company (C). Also, if any discussion is raised concerning the terms of the contract (S), it will be made in the name of the company (C).

The same scenario could be seen in a real friendship between two persons. Although they are still two different persons, but because of the real friendship/trust which they have accepted in them, they have ‘One Will’ towards any outsider who sees them, therefore, as if they were one person, no more two.

In brief, to me in the least, the word ‘God’ refers to the One Will/Power of my Heavenly Father (not incarnated) and Jesus (incarnated) who are unified, since before Creation, by the Divine Spirit of Love, the Holy Spirit.

For instance, when I was around 20, I was banned from the Sunday’s Catechism the moment I explained to my students the crucial importance of the Holy Spirit in God’s image, and why Jesus is very clear about the Holy Spirit in {Matthew 12:31-32}.

Truth be said, I was also banned from all international Christian forums for being an independent disciple of Jesus (not belonging to any formal Christian Church or Denomination). This didn’t surprise me. Jesus didn’t forget to tell me {Matthew 7:6} and advise me how to react {Matthew 10:14}.

Also, when I was 30, I tried to be a Jesuit priest. I was told that a priest, when necessary, has to preach the teachings of the Church, not what Jesus says clearly on the Gospel. I didn’t blame them because a Church will not survive for long if it preaches what Jesus says on the Gospel exactly. (We may discuss this point later; in case I will not be banned :) ).

Kerim

Brother Rando

Thank you for responding. Hope all is well and that your family is safe.

@KerimF - In brief, to me in the least, the word ‘God’ refers to the One Will/Power of my Heavenly Father (not incarnated) and Jesus (incarnated) who are unified, since before Creation, by the Divine Spirit of Love, the Holy Spirit.

I can see by your response that I have a better idea of where your faith may be coming from. However, this expression of faith is not found in the Bible. Since incarnation or the trinity is not found in the Bible, would you be so kind in posting the doctrines of where your beliefs come from?

I would agree that Our Heavenly Father is (not incarnated) since the God and Father is eternal and always existed.

• However, If Jesus is (incarnated) then at one time he came to be into existence and we could easily find a scripture in the Bible on this topic.

However you did not show any examples of such a teaching. Its absent from the Bible. Here are a few things you have stated.

• the Son of God
• the Son of David

If Jesus is God (incarnated) it would say so and you could back it up with Scripture.

If Jesus is David (incarnated) then we could also say that David is God (incarnated) but there is No Such Scripture.

For instance, I do recall some high rolling evangelists with slick hair and gold teeth claim at one time that Adam was God (incarnated) . He must have been the preacher you were watching?

• son of Eʹnosh, son of Seth, son of Adam, son of God. (Luke 3:38)

Didn't Adam and Jesus both die? Yet Jesus is called the last Adam.

• So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living person.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

So based on your teachings, wouldn't Jesus be Adam (incarnated) ?

KerimF

@Brother Rando I can see by your response that I have a better idea of where your faith may be coming from. However, this expression of faith is not found in the Bible. Since incarnation or the trinity is not found in the Bible,

@KerimF You are totally right. What I have in my set of knowledge is not found explicitly in the Bible or any other book. Even in my scientific studies I used not to add an idea in my set of knowledge just because it is written in a well-known scientific book. Before I accept an idea, it has to pass my logical reasoning first besides being useful to me (in one way or another). But this is just me :(

After I got from Jesus (via the today's Gospel) all knowledge I need about life (material and spiritual), I actually believe/know Him based on reason, no more by having faith.

I understand that, in general, theists are supposed to have a deep faith in what is written in certain books, said Holy. For example, Muslims are supposed to respect with fear the words in their Holy Quran (exactly as they were written) though most of them are obsolete in the modern Arabic language. They do it much like Pagans who also respect with fear the various signs on their ancient Holy Statues.

Sorry, I can't fool myself saying for example I have a blind faith in Jesus who says: "I am the Light" while there is one true light, 'the Light of knowledge' which every loving parents try and work hard to help their children to get. So, when Jesus gave me that 'Light', everything around me became crystal clear to me, and I didn't need to have a blind faith about anything.

@Brother Rando would you be so kind in posting the doctrines of where your beliefs come from?

@KerimF My parents were Catholic. My school was a Catholic French one. So, I had the opportunity to hear of the Catholic doctrine and teachings. When I was around 15, I started to realize that their teachings, supposed to reflect Jesus' ones, are not for me, because I saw them illogical, in many respects, to my nature in the least.

When I was 17, I decided to read the Gospel very attentively to prove, also to myself only, that Jesus' teachings, as the Church ones, are illogical. To my big surprise, I discovered that they were different, if not opposing sometimes. This was the start of my relationship with Jesus, my Divine Perfect Teacher, who saved me from the greatest weakness that a human may have, 'ignorance'. In fact, every human baby is born with this weakness (much like a powerful fresh computer which doesn't have advanced data in it yet). For instance, this greatest weakness was presented to the 'kids of humanity' (our ancient ancestors) by the expression "Original Sin" (likely related to Adam & Eve story).

@KerimF Thanks to your replies, I also learn from you, despite our difference. After all, humans are supposed to be different to complement each other, not to be exact replica of each other.