Your meds, C_M_. Take your meds.

@C_M_ said:
GaoLu,
I am willing to look beyond your faults and try to discern your needs. Consider with me the situation. The USA is spending about 1.5 million dollars a day imprisoning children. Where is this money coming from? Because of meanness and not well thought out plans, the US will rack up a total of a half-billion dollars, if not already. Why is so much money being wasted? Let the parents and able-bodied young adults work. The children have to go back to their parents-- a new court order issued, recently. The trauma that being done to the children, America will pay.

GaoLu, is it too much for you to show some heart for the children? They are outside the womb and alive. The mothers want to raise their children. They are not looking for a handout, welfare, or a free ride; just work. Your cries about abortions in comparison for the living breathing (on its own) children outside the womb, rings hollow, Mr. GaoLu. Do you not have a conscience? How could you agree, supposedly enclosed in your Christian, mind, with Stephen Miller and Mr. Trump? How could two (three) walk together, lets they agree (Amos 3:3)? Why try to work with migrant-workers when you can't issue a condemnation of the actions of your administration against those seeking asylum and betterment for their families? This will make your humanitarian work, wherever, appears to be hypocritical, at best. Let your better-self speak for God and for the children.

Any old "jack-ass" can be nasty, mean or say something insulting, but it takes love, heart and Christian spirit to speak and stand with the children. What are you going to do? I challenged you to be Christian and mature in your response. CM

PS. Your surrogate's (Reformed) response won't do. CM

Yes, it is sad that we have to spend so much money because people can't respect our laws. Personally I say we send them all back. Tell them to take a hike.

Here is the irony. I have two friends directly affected by all this.

One came years ago from Mexico as an illegal alien to work harvest fields. He later married an American girl (a good friend of mine) and became a Christian. He turned himself in hoping for leniency and got none. He agrees that what has happened is not what he wishes would have happened, but acknowledges it is fair and right. He has become a missionary in Mexico. Pretty easy to see God's hand in all that.

The other friend is an American who married a Mexican girl. They tried to pull some strings to get her in America and got caught. They admit now what they did was not right and openly tell others that there is a right way to do things. Meanwhile, all them stay in Mexico, working and waiting for a better day.

Maybe someone would care to comment on how they think these 2 families feel about illegal immigrants.

@C_M_ said:

@GaoLu said:
Here is the irony. I have two friends directly affected by all this...Maybe someone would care to comment on how they think these 2 families feel about illegal immigrants.

Nice distraction and deviation, GaoLu. You're oleaginously slick, but not enough to slide.
The facts and the challenge remains:

@C_M_ said:
GaoLu,
... The USA is spending about 1.5 million dollars a day imprisoning children...Why is so much money being wasted? Let the parents and able-bodied young adults work. The children have to go back to their parents...The trauma that being done to the children, America will pay.

GaoLu, is it too much for you to show some heart for the children? They are outside the womb and alive. The mothers want to raise their children. They are not looking for a handout, welfare, or a free ride; just work... Mr. GaoLu. Do you not have a conscience? How could you agree, supposedly enclosed in your Christian, mind, with Stephen Miller and Mr. Trump?... Why try to work with migrant-workers when you can't issue a condemnation of the actions of your administration against those seeking asylum and betterment for their families? ... your humanitarian work, wherever, appears to be hypocritical, at best...

Any old "jack-ass" can be nasty, mean or say something insulting, but it takes love, heart and Christian spirit to speak and stand with the children. What are you going to do? I challenged you to be Christian and mature in your response. CM

You seem to love Mr. Trump more than you love the children. They committed no crimes. The two families you cited, were adults who made a choice. Deny the adults at the border entry, but don't take their children from them. Why can't you see the wrongness in this?

Going to have to call bull crap here. They DID COMMIT A CRIME.

Jesus had compassion on the multitude on the hillside gathered all day without food in search of teaching and healing. GaoLu, you can't weasel your way out of this. You have to condemn the separation of the children from their parents, even if you can't or think you can't do anything.

Jesus also said follow the law. This is not an equal comparison.

How could you stand before a congregation or sit with a small group and justify what your President is doing to families? How could you pray with such a hard heart toward mothers without their small children? You can't admit I am right about the cruelty of this practice in these forums (Current News Events or biblically).

It is THEIR FAULT. They shouldn't break the law. The fact that you can't or won't admit that is amazing. Where is your outrage against the law breakers?

How could you as a Christian, teacher, counselor, or whatever title you claim to be, let stand, these cold words from your sometimes surrogate:

> @reformed said: "... it is sad that we have to spend so much money because people can't respect our laws. Personally I say we send them all back. Tell them to take a hike.

How can you as a Christian support law breaking?

The day will come when the parents, but above all, the children, now in cages and imprisoned, away from their parents, will read your words as adults. It would be like a dagger into their hearts, to know that a man who professed to know Christ can pen such words.

They are not in cages. Let's not go crazy here. Why do you lie? You should repent of your lies.

@GaoLu said:

@C_M_ said:

That was a really weird post. Makes me wonder more than ever just how many "Sybil" identities one man can bother to use and why. I don't think your marbles are intact.

I know they aren't. He's a few fries short of a Happy Meal.

If you have any authentic compassion for families and children you would not support abortion or child trafficking masquerading as illegal immigration. C_M_ you do not come across at all authentic.

@C_M_ said:

@reformed said:

Going to have to call bull crap here. They DID COMMIT A CRIME.

Reformed, is this the word-choice you used around your family and fellow Christians, wherever you live? Is it possible for you to put forth a greater effort to use a higher grade? The "street" or "earthly language" is not necessary to express a disagreement in these forums. Be considerate of others and silent readers.

I love how you ignored the fact that I called out your lie. THEY DID COMMIT A CRIME. Be honest and quit with the distractions.

Jesus had compassion on the multitude on the hillside gathered all day without food in search of teaching and healing. GaoLu, you can't weasel your way out of this. You have to condemn the separation of the children from their parents, even if you can't or think you can't do anything.

Jesus also said follow the law. This is not an equal comparison.

It is THEIR FAULT. They shouldn't break the law. The fact that you can't or won't admit that is amazing. Where is your outrage against the law breakers?

You know this is not so. What crimes can toddlers and a year old child can commit? Is not there an age of accountability-- knowing right from wrong? You can't be that out of touch or cold-hearted. Can you?

If a toddler kills someone, did they break the law? Yes. Age doesn't define whether or not a law was broken. It may define punishment but not whether the law was broken. And, it is the parents I am primarily discussing. You keep distracting rather than speaking out against the criminals. Shame on you.

> @reformed said: "... it is sad that we have to spend so much money because people can't respect our laws. Personally I say we send them all back. Tell them to take a hike.

How can you as a Christian support law breaking?

Again, it seems, you are obsessed with your own deception. What you failed to grasp is my call for compassion to be shown to the families. CM

Why are you not outraged that they are ACTIVELY engaging in criminal activity?

@C_M_ said:

@reformed said:

It is THEIR FAULT. They shouldn't break the law. The fact that you can't or won't admit that is amazing. Where is your outrage against the law breakers?

See my post/thread: "Another Cardinal (Theodore McCarrick) Getting to the bottom: Self-Investigation or Special Counsel?" Don't say what you don't know. Can you join me in expressing your outrage? Do you have the independence and courage? I consistently across the forums stands for truth, fairness, and compassion. More than I can say for you. I am not too close or attached to any institution that I can't see the truth and call it as it is. CM

The truth is those people are breaking the law. Yes or no?

How can you as a Christian support law breaking?

I don't. These are your words and you need to stop it. I call for compassion to be shown to those at the borders. A toddler can't and will not commit crimes. You need to avoid the unrealistic hypothetical examples about babies and crimes. Keep it real. CM

I'm not talking about them, I'm talking about their parents. And yes, you have made it clear you support breaking the law or you would call for them all to be sent back.

@C_M_ said:

@Bill_Coley said:

@reformed said:

I know they [CM's "marbles"] aren't [intact]. He's a few fries short of a Happy Meal.

Does that make it a "super-Happy Meal"?

Bill,
If anything, what GaoLu and his side-kick, Reformed are attempting to do in this thread is to create a "super"-distraction. They are trying to take attention away from the 500-600 children that the Trump Administration can't or refused to reunite with their parents. Continuous refusal to reunite the children, they will be placed in permanent foster care. For the US State to do public child-abduction, is on a lower level than that of the deeds of Chairman Mao Zedong, Chinese communist leader, the founding father of the People's Republic of China.

I am not deceived or buying into either of the two-member, tagged-team, wanna-be-psychotherapists (GaoLu/Reformed). I don't encourage playing their game. Neither of them has a degree, license, or training in the general area, not to say in a specifics area of psychology. This I know for a fact! They throw around psychological terms where they picked up from books, on the job in-services, or from a few hours/certificate workshops. They picked up a few words from someone in the profession or from their own one-on-one session with their therapists. If by chance, any one of them, can produce of a degree, of any kind, in the area of mental hygiene; I can assure you, it's from a "diploma mill" (outright bogus) or from an unaccredited school. Having a counselor doesn't make one a counselor. At best, they are patients or clients. It's not wrong or bad, they're just not who they make themselves, out-to-be. At best, they are poor actors shown to be mean-spirited pretenders. Qualified people don't behave the way these two have conducted themselves, recently, in these forums. If by the slightest chance, I am wrong, about their education, they are ill-trained, unethical, and unprofessional, at best.

You know this for a fact? How do you know this for a fact? Because the fact is I DO have training in this area. From an accredited school too. But I don't talk in these forums in an official capacity. These are opinions.

You and I must have struck a nerve, in our posts, where they can't or unable to appropriately cope. Or maybe, they are just at a desperate point, where they have an insatiable appetite to be superior, crying out for help or need to be needed. People who don't understand something or someone has a tendency to "fight or flight".

Oh we can cope. We have pointed out that you lie in your posts, deceive, twist, change, and report anything but factual truth. I understand exactly what is going on.

I know they are free to say what they want, as CD affords all users, but it's unfortunate, it seems they have become a slave to that freedom. They are like some gun owners, having a killer weapon in hand while suffering from anger-management issues. It would be nice if they would check themselves and monitor their tone better for the potential newcomers and the silent readers of CD. They are probably good men in other areas of their lives, but poor representatives of one who understands the science of the human mind. What happened to civility and maturity? CM

Now you throw gun owners under the bus. Good grief. You are bleeding out liberalism. And we are talking about the science of the human mind? Says who?

@C_M_ said:

@reformed said:

You know this for a fact? How do you know this for a fact? Because the fact is I DO have training in this area. From an accredited school too. But I don't talk in these forums in an official capacity. These are opinions.

Ha! Unverified, yet. "You can't have your cake and eat it too." "That dog just won't hunt".

Oh we can cope. We have pointed out that you lie in your posts, deceive, twist, change, and report anything but factual truth. I understand exactly what is going on.

As a "responsible person", you have to stop this. If you are going to insist on saying the above, you will have to itemize, a list of two columns, these things showing facts vs errors. What right you have to try to smear my name in these forums?

Now you throw gun owners under the bus. Good grief. You are bleeding out liberalism. And we are talking about the science of the human mind? Says who?

Again, I don't speak "liberalism". I don't or need you to ascribe a label to me. CM is the name what I gave you and to the forums, please use it. "Liberal" or "liberalism" is NOT on my birth certificate.

Reformed, be the responsible user and man in these forums you profess to be. Since you claim to know better, do better in your exchanges. If only one, you be that one. Don't continue what David Taylor said his reasons for leaving or continue what you found. You commit yourself to do and to be better, upon your entry at CD, keep your word. "Yield not to temptation..." CM

Let's just start with the fact that you say the governmetn is kidnapping. That is a bold faced lie, twist deceit.

Is C_M_ the forum Mother or Bully or both?

Mother Bull asked you a question, @reformed!

Sorry, I couldn't help that

I wish you were sincere. Your posts including this one don't come across that way. Mainly because you are prone to ridiculously liberal unorthodox views and perpetually making belittling comments or assumptions--that appears like trolling. Admittedly, I am likely a bit jaded by experience. There was a time when CD had a range of players with a range of ideas. Capable people discussed meaningful questions. It never got off the ground strongly because trolls ruined that. People with heretical views plastered junk all over anything sensible that was written. Sensible people quietly left. Efforts at positive discourse were met with disinterest or sabotaged. Logos chose, wisely, to abandon the forum. Jan chose to keep it alive but rarely interacts.

Honestly, I don't see you as contributing positively most of the time. Occasionally you do. I suspect you are quite capable and choose not to do so.

There are other forums where there is reasonably good interaction, but trolls are rejected. Sounds tough, but so it just about has to be. I enjoy those. I remain slightly hopeful that one-day things could improve here.

In the past, there have been players that apparently used multiple identities--even trolling themselves. This may still be the case. I don't know. I keep hanging out hoping it may change. I don't mind pointing out periodically the fakeness of certain writers. Everything in me says ignore the place and move on, but I keep hoping.