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Odd, I didn't know he made a formal proposal until yesterday.... hmm... More dishonesty from you on the gun debate @C_M_ ?
That being said, t…
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Wow you really like to make up your own facts.
- You do not know that no NT believer used physical violence to defend themselves or their families.
- Peter was not being kidnapped or murdered. He was defending Jesus …
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I don't need to, that is beside the point. The fact that you are so fixed on that shows that you are defeated and have no other argument and cannot actually engage the fact that the OT allows for self defense. I accept your surrender.…
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I have scriptural support for self defense and that is all that is necessary. You, however, do not have scriptural support for your position. You just have lack of verses in the New Testament even though they are already in the Old Tes…
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No, nor can I provide an example of a Christian defending themselves in the NT and BEING REBUKED for it with out extraordinary circumstances.
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Also has nothing to do with self defense
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irrelevant
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Once again not self defense. Do you know the difference between revenge and self defense? They are not synonyms.
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Go back to the eye for an eye passage, it was not talking about self defense either.
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That is not talking about self defense Dave.
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Who said anything about winging it? I follow the Bible, the Bible permits violence in matters of self defense. Never does it forbid it. Not once.
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It doesn't need to be there Dave.
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I have already addressed this. You take things out of context and assume that because the NT doesn't deal directly with an issue that was dealt with already in the OT it means it is forbidden.
Perhaps you don't know that we do …
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Unlike you I take the whole Bible, not just the NT. Exodus 22 permits self-defense.
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Once again your classic move of taking things out of context. And with Peter, you totally ignored my rebuttal to your position. To put it simply, you misinterpreted that passage.
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- I agreed we are to love our enemies. This does not mean let our enemies run over us.
- Jesus did say to turn the other cheek. But he was not talking about self-defense. He was talking about vengence. There is a major differ…
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Love your enemies, yes. Where does it say do not resist violence? Where does it say to always put away your sword? In fact, Jesus said to purchase a sword.
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But it is not forbidden either. There's the problem Dave. You ignore the whole of Scripture and take a section of Scripture, and because that section of Scripture doesn't deal with a topic that was dealt with in the part you ignore you…
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Wow you really miss the forest for the trees. Where in the world did you learn that the Sermon on the Mount is our only guide to living? Where did you learn to ingore vasts amounts of Scripture?
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You have to look at in context and in the whole of Scripture Dave, including the OT. And you, and I mean you personally now, need to understand the people you are trying to apply it to.
You do not understand the NRA or people w…
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So in other words, the OT doesn't apply to Christians? That is what I hear you saying...
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Perhaps you should lookup the definition of zealot....
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Why do you automatically dismiss the Old Testament?
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Actually I would consider you a zealot. That being said, yes, James is, but you still take it out of context and misapply it to our current conversation.
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Once again a passage taken out of its context. Is that all you know how to do?
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Thank you for your opinion. For the thousandth time, we disagree. And, I believe, Scripture disagrees with you.
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I'm not. Only in your opinion am I doing such, but you take Scripture out of context and twist it into things it doesn't mean.
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This verse is irrelevant to this conversation.
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No it doesn't actually. That is the major point you miss. Criminals will get guns no matter what and kill no matter what. And whether you think so or not, the Bible actually states there are justifiable reasons for killing. I know tha…
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I would think saving lives leads to abundant life, that is what the 2nd Amendment allows for.
