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I appreciate your efforts. But sickness is the result of sin. And if Christ atoned for sin, he also provided for physical healing in the atonement by nullifying sickness' cause.
James says to pray for the sick so they can be he…
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I do not recall reading anything but your opinion. How would you teach your position to your church? Maybe just an outline would help.
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Thanks C., I hope you will join in. What we are speaking of is a literal reading of Isaiah 53 VS a metaphorical reading. It's that simple.
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I asked if you would provide a solid rebuttal to the literal interpretation of Isaiah.
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This is what I'm saying, you cannot make Isaiah say what you think he says. If you can destroy the meaning of Isaiah, there is not one scripture that isn't up for grabs.
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Peter and Isaiah use words meaning physical sickness and physical healing. None of them mean spiritual healing, that is already covered.
Does James mean spiritual healing for those already saved when he tells them to pray for h…
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You need to prove that Isaiah didn't mean what he said.
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Isaiah says it does. And personally, I would not want to tamper with it and deny the benefits Jesus suffered so dearly for to any in pain and suffering for whom he died. Just sayin'
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I explained this earlier in God's providence for the Church. Just as he healed wicked Israel for the sake of the few elect, he provides good for the wicked world for the sake of the elect. Some think of this in "Common Grace" views. Bu…
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But, if Jesus ever healed apart from the atonement, he died in vain. He could just forgive the sins causing the sickness without justifying the person.
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“Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.” (1 Peter 2:24)
healed: = ① to restore someone to health…
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I suggest you do an inline search of the words that pertain to physical healing in Isaiah to see how other OT writers used them. They all pertain to physical healing.
Again, thanks for keeping this interesting.<…
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Thanks for helping to open this up. All healing is from God, including the healing of the most wicked. But he uses those he heals naturally to sustain the church. So the Atonement affects them indirectly. But Matthew and Peter say Chri…
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I felt the same as you and would never have embraced the Christian faith had Christ not made himself real to me on a spiritual level.
But feeling as you do, it has piqued my interest for decades in finding out why. I can tell y…
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How does he not???
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I'm glad they are bringing to light that the bomber had an impeccable upbringing. Because people think nurture determines a child's outcome and not nature. But I think every family tree has a few nuts that will drop to the ground if you shake it …
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Thanks GaoLu for contributing. I don't think you understand what I'm saying.
Isaiah includes divine healing in the atonement.
He also includes salvation in the atonement.
We appropriate s…
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What would you like to focus on?
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“Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him u…
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"Our bodies already do that. That has nothing to do with the atonement."
- It has everything to do with the atonement. Unless forgiven and granted repentance, the sickness remains.
"Then it has nothing to do with the atone…
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- In many cases the consequences of sin disappear. Stop smoking and live longer. Repent from gluttony and derive better health. Be happy, it is like medicine to the bones.
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But if sin causes sickness, and God forgives us and the sin no longer causes the sickness, are we not healed by Jesus' stripes? How many times does God heal when they repent of the sins causing the sickness?
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Thanks for looking into this. We need to ask why the Jews experienced such misery over the centuries. Is their suffering in direct proportion to their beliefs and conduct towards gentiles? The Talmud helps to understand this.
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I'm not Charismatic. I do not think you can use their errors to undermine Isaiah.
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I scanned it and think McA is using a strawman argument against scripture.
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I did not read the GTY article.
Isaiah includes physical healing in the atonement. If he is not speaking about physical healing and spiritual only, then we must spiritualize the rest which is obviously physical.
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Becoming common still means not common. Just moving in that direction.
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Are there more shootings in the post 50s? If so, they are becoming common, not uncommon.
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If you pray before going to the doctor, what is wrong with praying for supernatural healing as James instructs? If God can heal supernaturally apart from the atonement then Christ's death was in vain.
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Which is up from the 50s = becoming common.
