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Thanks CM. It's this simple.
The angel = messenger
the chain = the message (gospel)
the 1000 years = the church age until the last of the elect (names written in the book of life) come in…
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Thanks for sharing. This is why I believe some who never heard the gospel or received baptism are included in the heavenly number through the New Birth. Christ paid for their sins, and they have the Holy Spirit, and they would believe …
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When a person comes into contact with Christ, they bring along the pagan philosophies their environment imposed on them. And they naturally approach the scriptures as a type of Rorschach test, seeing what they're conditioned to see.
That is commendable. But I cannot think of any reason I might want a gun other than fear. And fear is the absence of faith, the epitome of doubt. If I could have either a gun or perfect love for enemies, I would take the love any day, because lov…
(Quote)I'm not sure it matters. But I do not have any entanglements, legal or otherwise with unbelievers. Soon after the Lord converted me, and after reading Paul, I gave up my career and skills because it yoked me with unbelievers. But the …
(Quote)Since Satan is a spirit and the chain binds him, it must represent something spiritual that binds him. ““I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will have been bound in heaven, and whatever you release on earth will have been …
(Quote)I have no contracts with anyone.
(Quote)Why would John recognize the chain as being a chain if it was not?
(Quote)This is exactly what I'm saying. God does not fulfill the symbol with the symbol. he fulfills it with what the symbol represents. Or you're gonna have red dragons circling the earth in outer space....
(Quote)Thanks for asking. Jesus told us to pay taxes because it is the government's money to start with. But I've had some interesting challenges working for unbelieving business owners along the way. But I never signed a contract with th…
(Quote)You have more control over an unbelieving spouse than you do a magistrate. If you cannot lay up treasure on earth, how can you shoot someone in behalf of someone who does?
(Quote)I like your answer. What I believe is most interesting about my baptism is that I was baptized by someone who was baptized by someone who was baptized by someone, and so on, all the way back to someone who was baptized by the Apostles.…
The serpent is a symbol for Satan in this passage. “He seized the dragon—the ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan—and tied him up for a thousand years.” (Revelation 20:2)
With a physical chain?
(Quote)Could you marry an unbeliever with a clear conscience after reading this passage?
(Quote)You cannot justify hanging with the wrong crowd in view of what Paul says. Much less becoming legally bound to unbelievers and under their control.
(Quote)Thanks David. I believe the 1000 years could be interpreted symbolically because the Serpent is a symbol. The Chain is obviously symbolic, The Angel holding the chain would no doubt be symbolic since the chain is. Satan is spirit and a…
(Quote)Thanks GaoLu. I can see this if the Kingdom is physical. If the Kingdom is spiritual then the 1000 years would be too.
(Quote)Thanks for commenting on this. Please note the context:
“Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what co…
(Quote)Thanks for bringing this up CM. I'm interested in everyone's views on Revelation 20. I'm only mentioning that Premillennialists/Dispensationalists expect their future physical kingdom to last 1000 years based on it. It would be good to…
(Quote)But he also says not to be unequally yoked together with them.....
(Quote)You cannot use the OT to justify violence under the NT. Plus, how do we take the cross and the sword at the same time? Not to mention, place ourselves under the control of unbelievers?
(Quote)I don't think it is an issue because God sanctioned violence at the hands of the civil magistrate. Even today we would tell cops to kill bad people by any means. But we would also tell Christians not to be cops, or to be unequally yoke…
(Quote)Were the Soldiers believers? Christ had not yet begun his ministry at this time. They were in line with OT principles. And the New Covenant had not begun. So what do you make of it?
YLT says: “And questioning him also were thos…
Thanks for sticking around. John was the last OT prophet and they were still under the Law. Besides, they were not believers and worked for the Civil Magistrate.
(Quote)Thanks for the discussion. You need not reply if you want to call it quits. But I would like to keep the thread open for others. It's really all about the path of non-resistance vs the path of "most resistance". Where disobedience to C…
(Quote)Jesus and the disciples set the standard of righteousness by example. They also defined courage. Anything less than how they lived and died is sin and cowardice.
(Quote)What I said above refutes your commentary's position. And it leaves your position without substance.
(Quote)Produce one shred of scripture showing any of the disciples using violence to defend themselves. I can show many instances where they did not when confronted.
(Quote)Regardless, you would contradict everything Jesus said about non-violence to support your views. And not one shred of scripture suggests you are right when we study the pacifism of the NT figures. The only mention of violence as you wo…
(Quote)Why would Luke include a "transgressors" tools in the narrative about Jesus being numbered with the transgressors, if not pertinent?
