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        <title>The Son — Christian Debate</title>
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        <title>Imagine if John 1:1 was rendered correctly...</title>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2022 00:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>There were times when Jesus answered his enemies and they left him without a response because they recognized his answer was 'the truth'.  Who could argue against him?   Those who recognized his teachings as truth had a choice to make.  Do I humble myself and become a follower of Jesus Christ or do I choose to become an enemy of Christ and scatter his followers? Many are the latter!</p><p>Imagine if John 1:1 was rendered correctly... and the Public got to see that there is only one Bible in the World that read, "<strong>In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was the Son of God.</strong>"  Who could argue against Jesus being the Son of God? Imagine the lives that could be saved. </p><p>The argument that Jesus is God or a god would no longer be the center of controversy.  Even trinitarians who deny Jesus' divinity as the Christ could not argue against Jesus being the Son of God.  Sometimes, when it comes to saving lives, a person needs to hear the ring of truth. That truth is <strong>and the Word of God was the Son of God.</strong>  The one chosen by God and sent to rescue humankind.  </p><p>Notice Jesus response to his enemies:</p><ul><li>do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because <strong>I</strong> said, ‘<strong>I am God’s Son</strong>’? (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/john/10/#v43010036" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 10:36</a>)</li></ul><p>The scriptures are clear that Elohim can be rendered God or (gods) in referring to angels. Angels are spirit creatures that are sons of the true God. <em>ʼ</em><a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200001729#:~:text=Hebrew%20Terms.%20Among,plural" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><em>Elo·himʹ</em></a> is used in the Scriptures with reference to Jehovah himself, to angels, to idol gods (singular and plural), and to men.</p><p>In the Book of John, he uses two Greek terms to differentiate the difference between Almighty God and his Son.  <em>Theon is used to refer to Almighty God as </em><strong><em>the God </em></strong><em>and theos when referring to his Son as </em><strong><em>a god</em></strong><em>.</em></p><ul><li><em>In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with </em><strong><em>the God </em></strong><em>(theon) and the Word was </em><strong><em>a god</em></strong><em> (theos).</em></li><li><em>No man has seen </em><strong><em>the God</em></strong><em> (theon) at any time; the </em><strong><em>only-begotten</em></strong><em> </em><strong><em>god</em></strong><em> (theos) who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him.</em></li><li><em>This means everlasting life, their coming to know You, </em><strong><em>the only true God</em></strong><em> (theon), and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.</em></li><li><em>Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and Your Father and to </em><strong><em>My God</em></strong><em> (theon) and </em><strong><em>Your God</em></strong><em> (theon).’”</em></li><li><em>Jesus is never called (theon) which refers to Almighty God. </em></li></ul><p>With that being said, many will reject these facts. Imagine someday opening your Bible and for the first time, reading the following scriptures:</p><ul><li>In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was the Son of God.</li><li>Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations in my name,</li><li>For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is upon his shoulder: and his name is called the Angel of Great Counsel: for I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him. </li></ul><p>Wouldn't these<em> </em><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/experiences/sharing-truth/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><em>Bible truths</em></a><em> </em>bring the many to Salvation? </p><ul><li>"Do your utmost to present yourself approved to God, a workman with nothing to be ashamed of, handling the word of the truth aright." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/2-timothy/2/#v55002015" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">2 Timothy 2:15</a>)</li><li>"Therefore, if someone knows how to do what is right and yet does not do it, it is a sin for him." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/james/4/#v59004017" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">James 4:17</a>)</li></ul>]]>
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        <title>&quot;The Father&quot; and &quot;The Son&quot;</title>
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        <pubDate>Sun, 07 Apr 2019 03:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Apologetics</category>
        <dc:creator>C Mc</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>Let me say at the outset, in the NT there are no such words as Trinity or trinitarian. There is much about God the Father, about Jesus who is called the Son, and about the Holy Spirit.</p><p>These terms, "<strong>The Father"</strong> and <strong>"The Son",</strong> are used in relations to God. To the chagrin of many, the terms are misunderstood. The terms of “<strong>Father</strong>” and “<strong>Son</strong>” in Western thinking carry with them the <strong>ideas of origin, dependence, and subordination</strong>. In the Semitic or Oriental mind, however, they emphasize sameness of nature. Thus, when the Scriptures speak of the <strong>“Son” of God</strong>, they <strong>assert his divinity</strong>.</p><p>At the baptism of Jesus, the Father called him “my beloved Son.” <strong>The sonship of Jesus</strong>, however, <strong>is </strong>not ontological but <strong>functional</strong>. In the plan of salvation, each member of the Trinity has accepted a particular role. It is a role for the purpose of <strong>accomplishing a particular goal</strong>, not a change in essence or status. Millard J. Erickson explains it this way:</p><div><div><p>"The Son did not become less than the Father during his earthly incarnation, but he did subordinate himself functionally to the Father’s will. Similarly, the Holy Spirit is now subordinated to the ministry of the Son (see John 14-16) as well as to the will of the Father, but this does not imply that he is less than they are".</p></div></div><p>When one looks closely, Daniel 7:13, 14, 26, 27 and 8:14, 23-25 are parallel passages describing the <strong>same event</strong>. </p><ul><li><strong>Daniel 7</strong> speaks of a judgment prior to the establishment of God’s kingdom <em>(Daniel 7:27)</em>. </li><li><strong>Daniel 8 </strong>speaks of the cleansing of the sanctuary, leading to the destruction of the little horn <em>(Daniel 8:25). </em></li><li>The scene in Daniel 7 describes <strong>the seating of the Ancient One</strong> in the heavenly court, the <strong>coming of the Son of Man</strong>, and the <strong>restoration of the Son’s “authority, glory and sovereign powe</strong>r” <em>(Daniel 7:14, NIV). </em></li></ul><p>These are the <strong>powers Christ had in heaven</strong> and the powers Lucifer coveted. Satan would never acknowledge that <strong>Christ is coeternal, coequal, and co-powerful with God the Father</strong>—a point he contested powerfully and lost in the wilderness <em>(</em><strong><em>Matt. 4:1-11)</em></strong><em>.</em></p><h2>Truth found truth shared. CM</h2><h3></h3><h3>SOURCE:</h3><ul><li>Millard J. Erickson, <strong>Christian Theology</strong> (Baker, 1983), 1:338</li></ul><p>PS  Above, may be the answers to some questions you asked of me elsewhere in the forums.</p>]]>
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