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        <title>Satan — Christian Debate</title>
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        <title>The trinity and it’s false theology.</title>
        <link>https://christiandiscourse.net/index.php?p=/discussion/1035/the-trinity-and-it-s-false-theology</link>
        <pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2021 21:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>The trinity and it’s false theology.<br /></p><p> </p><p>You may be surprised to find out that the trinity doctrine <strong>does not accept Jesus Christ</strong>.  It omits Christ from its doctrine and promotes a false gospel that ‘<strong>three separate persons </strong>make up God’ which is not found in Any Bible.  Trinitarians profess that<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/john/1/#v43001001" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"> John 1:1</a> explains their theology of ‘three separate persons ’.  <strong>It does not.</strong>  Therefore, it is not unusual to come across an apostate trinitarian who will <strong>deny and oppose the teachings of Jesus Christ.</strong></p><p><br /></p><p>Trinitarians proclaim Jesus is co-equal to his God while Jesus himself proclaims "<strong>the Father is Greater than I am.</strong>" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/john/14/#v43014028" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 14:28</a>)  When Jesus Christ stated that ‘<strong>God is a Spirit’</strong> in (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/john/4/#v43004024" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 4:24</a>) trinitarians proclaim that Christ under the inspiration of Holy Spirit somehow mis-spoken because their doctrine teaches that God is made up of three separate Persons <strong>which is never cited in any scripture. </strong> In <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/john/17/#v43017001" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 17:1</a> Jesus addresses his Father in prayer, he said: “Father,… and in <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/john/17/#v43017003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 17:3</a>  he states, “This means everlasting life, <strong>their coming to know You,</strong> <strong>the only true God</strong>” Was Jesus addressing <a href="https://www.brorando.com/post/jehovah-the-god-and-father-of-our-lord-jesus-christ-1-peter-1-3" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">God the Father</a> or the trinity of three separate persons?</p><p><br /></p><p>Trinitarians proclaim Jesus was not addressing the trinity itself, but God the Father.  <strong>Wouldn’t that prove that the trinity to be a False God? </strong> “He stands in opposition and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits down in the temple of God, publicly showing himself to be a god.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/2-thessalonians/2/#v53002004" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">2 Thessalonians 2:4</a>) </p><p><br /></p><p>As Jesus continue his teachings about God, he states, “God is a Spirit, and those worshipping Him must worship with spirit and truth.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/john/4/#v43004024" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 4:24</a>)  Notice those worshiping <strong>HIM is in singular?</strong>  Not ‘us’ ‘we’ they’ ‘them’ or even ME.  Since trinitarians admit that the trinity is not God itself, aren’t trinitarians worshipping ‘gods’?  None of them worship <strong>God the Father alone</strong> who Jesus claims to <strong>be the only true God</strong> in (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/john/17/#v43017003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 17:3</a>)  Jesus Christ continues, “Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the <strong>true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth</strong>, for indeed, <strong>the Father is looking for ones like these to worship HIM.</strong>” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/john/4/#v43004023" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 4:23</a>)</p><p><br /></p><p>According to Jesus, <strong>only the Father was to be worshipped,</strong> not a trinity of ‘gods’.  Jesus made his Father’s Name known to his disciples. “I have made <strong>Your Name Manifest</strong> to the men whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours, and you gave them to me, and they have observed your word.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/john/17/#v43017006" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 17:6</a>)  Jesus even went as far to teach his disciples to pray this way: <strong>“Our Father in the heavens, let Your Name be sanctified.” </strong></p><p><br /></p><p>If you take a closer look at the trinity doctrine, NONE of the Persons have a NAME.  <strong>It’s a Generic Formula borrowed from Pagan Worship. </strong>Trinitarians shout and yell that, Jesus is God.  But the <em>trinity itself</em>  <strong>simply doesn’t give witness about Jesus Christ</strong>. When asked to show the doctrine they often turn red and say that I must simply believe them.  Then I ask, since the trinity doesn’t state that Jesus is God, show one scripture that states that. They hee and haw in frustration and begin<strong> to taunt and curse</strong> not able to find a single verse. You won’t find <strong>God the Son or God the Holy Spirit in the Bible</strong> because it simply isn’t.  There is a HUGE difference from God the Son and the <strong>Son of God</strong>.  If Jesus is the son of God, then whose Son is he?  The trinity doesn’t have three sons does it?  </p><p><br /></p><p>Jesus is not the only person to give witness about his God and Father.  The Apostles would greet one another with a similar phrase.  “Praised be <strong>the God and Father</strong> of our Lord Jesus Christ,” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/1-peter/1/#v60001003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 Peter 1:3</a>)   The trinity omits the Name of Christ and <strong>refuses to acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh.</strong>  Matter of fact, here is what the scriptures state about those not acknowledging Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. “For <strong>many deceivers</strong> have gone out into the world, those <strong>not acknowledging Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh.</strong> This is the deceiver and the antichrist.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/2-john/1/#v63001007" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">2 John 7</a>)  </p><p><br /></p><p>In Ancient times, <strong>the trinity was symbolized by three snakes,</strong> each snake would chase its own tail looking like <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/what-does-666-mean/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the number 666</a>.   “And it was permitted to give breath to the image of the wild beast, so that <strong>the image of the wild beast should both speak and cause to be killed all those who refuse to worship the image of the wild beast.” (</strong><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/13/#v66013015" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>Rev 13:15</strong></a><strong>) </strong></p><p><strong> </strong></p><p><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/g201102/Who-Is-Really-Behind-the-Occult/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">The trinity is the Biggest Occult ever</a>, with a Worldwide membership of <strong>2.8 Billion People and growing! </strong> Mankind who are both weak or strong, slave or king, such ones march in the streets to protest.  <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/2-thessalonians/2/#v53002004" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">They place themselves above others claiming they have rights that no one else can have. </a> They proclaim they even have the right to end life, should they carry a life inside them. <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/genesis/3/#v1003004-v1003005" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">They make themselves like God in know good and bad</a>, and others have to bend their knee to their superiority.  (Read <a href="https://www.bible.com/bible/111/2TI.3.1-5.niv#" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">2 Timothy 3:1-5</a>)</p><p><br /></p><p>“For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, <strong>there remains no more sacrifice for sins,” (</strong><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/hebrews/10/#v58010026" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>Hebrews 10:26</strong></a><strong>)  </strong>Feel free to contact me if you wish to leave the occult of the trinity.  There is <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/online-lessons/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">HELP</a>.</p>]]>
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        <title>The Serpent in Genesis 3:  An ordinary Snake or A Supernatural Animal?</title>
        <link>https://christiandiscourse.net/index.php?p=/discussion/992/the-serpent-in-genesis-3-an-ordinary-snake-or-a-supernatural-animal</link>
        <pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2021 23:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Bible Questions</category>
        <dc:creator>C Mc</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p><strong>Genesis 3 speaks of a snake:</strong></p><ol><li>What kind of serpent (snake) was it?</li><li>Was it a supernatural being or animal?</li><li>Was it an ordinary snake?</li><li>In light of the biblical account, does the serpent talk or Eve hear voices?</li><li>What other features did the snake in Eden processed or was able to do?</li><li>Did God make all snakes as above and take some things away from them?</li></ol><p>By this account, humans didn't fear snakes back then as they fear them today, by most people. Read the complete account about the serpent (<strong>Gen. 3:1–4, 14–16</strong>). Why are snakes feared today? Is there a message or lessons we can learn in the NT from the serpent's activities in the OT? <strong>CM</strong></p>]]>
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        <title>Angels: Are they Real?</title>
        <link>https://christiandiscourse.net/index.php?p=/discussion/919/angels-are-they-real</link>
        <pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2021 13:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Biblical Studies</category>
        <dc:creator>C Mc</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p><strong><a data-username="Wolfgang" data-userid="10" rel="nofollow" href="https://christiandiscourse.net/index.php?p=/profile/Wolfgang">@Wolfgang</a>  asked the question in the thread </strong><a href="https://www.christiandiscourse.net/discussion/915/witches-and-witchcraft" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Witches and Witchcraft</a> @<a href="https://www.christiandiscourse.net/profile/C%20Mc" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>C Mc</strong></a><strong> </strong><a href="https://www.christiandiscourse.net/discussion/915/witches-and-witchcraft" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Apr 12, 2021</a>. I think it needed its own space and a full hearing:</p><div><div><p>"... The translation "angel" of a word which simply means "messenger" misleading and giving a false idea? Are there even "FALLEN angels" (i.e. can angels "fall [sin, rebel]" ? If so, who is to say that those assumed supposedly "good angels" now won't at some time also "fall" ?? A big re-think on "angels" seems necessary ..."</p></div></div><p>Yes, angels are real. According to Genesis 18, three men visited Abraham (18:1–2), and he showed them his generous hospitality. Later in the story, <strong>two of them departed to Sodom</strong> (18:16, 22), and <strong>they are identified as angels or messengers</strong> (19:1, 15) but also as men (19:5, 10, 12). </p><p>The Lord who visited Abraham together with <strong>two other angels</strong> (Gen 18:1–2, 10, 13, 16–23, 33; 19:1, 18–19) and spoke with Abraham in chap.18.</p><p>As for questioning the veracity of "fallen angels", it's all here, in your Bible. There is sufficient evidence of passages referring to t<strong>he chief fallen angel known as Satan"</strong></p><ul><li><strong>Isa 14:12–15</strong></li><li><strong>Ezek 28:12–19</strong></li></ul><p>Satan's (Lucifer) activities of pride and pretension to be like God are made plain. The passages show a link to <strong>Rev 12:7–9</strong>. All of the aforementioned passages convey “<strong><em>an event that occurred in the heavenly realm</em></strong>” involving <strong>a divine being or member of the heavenly council </strong>(Ps 82; Ezek 28:12–19). These verses show “<strong><em>a creature subjected to mortalit</em></strong>y.”</p><p>Wolfgang, Could be perhaps, "A big re-think" on <strong>doubting </strong>"angels" seems necessary ..."? <strong>CM</strong></p>]]>
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        <title>Why did God create Satan?</title>
        <link>https://christiandiscourse.net/index.php?p=/discussion/419/why-did-god-create-satan</link>
        <pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2018 20:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Jan</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>My understanding is that the angels existed, and Satan and his demons fell before the creation of heaven and earth.<br />
Given the facts that there's no redemption for fallen angels, and God knew from the beginning that a third of his angels would fall, why did he create them in the first place? Or let them roam the earth instead of banishing them to hell right away?</p>

<p>Human sin is bad enough as it is, but through Satan's influence it becomes even worse.</p>

<p>My provisional understanding is that God uses Satan as a tool for salvation. If Satan had not entered Judas Iscariot (Luke 22:3), then Judas would not have betrayed Jesus, there would have been no crucifixion, and therefore no sacrifice for our sins.</p>

<p>But could God not have brought about Jesus' crucifixion in a different manner, without requiring Satan's " involuntary assistance"?</p>
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