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        <title>Would you like to know the truth?</title>
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        <pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2023 15:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>For almost two thousand years, false religion have kept 'the truth' hidden from the many and now are losing their battle against the Lamb! True Christians are on the march in this dark world, allowing 'the truth' to shine forth. Jesus Christ shared with his followers, "People light a lamp and set it, not under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it shines on all those in the house." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/5/#v40005015" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 5:15</a>) </p><p>Christendom's Bible Scholars are among the most dishonest individuals on earth. They have been hiding 'the truth' from the many and now since the light is exposing them, they run to the mountains begging, "Fall over us and hide u<strong>s</strong> from the face of the One seated on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb," (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/6/#v66006016" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 6:16</a>)</p><p>There are Superlative titles that apply to the one true God Jehovah and <strong>Jehovah alone. </strong></p><ul><li>Adonay</li><li>Theon</li></ul><p>Adonay in Hebrew Script is spelled <strong>אֲדֹנָי</strong> and was used in replacing <strong>יהוה</strong> the four Hebrew letters usually transliterated YHWH or JHVH that form the Biblical Proper Name of God.  Yahweh or <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Jehovah</a>.  The title Adonay has Superlative meaning and which it only applies to the Supreme One or Self-Existent One.  Jehovah alone is most high and there is no other.  </p><ul><li>May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/psalms/83/#v19083018" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Psalms 83:18</a>) </li><li>You are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah, “Yes, my servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and have faith in me And understand that I am the same One. Before me no God was formed, And after me there has been none. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/isaiah/43/#v23043010" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Isaiah 43:10</a>)</li></ul><p>Adonay and Aăḏōwn spelled <strong>אֲד֖וֹן </strong>were used but then watered down by trinitarian translators using non-superlative titles such as <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God_in_Judaism#Adonai" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Adonai</a> ("My Lord") or <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Elohim</a> (literally means 'gods' but treated as singular when meaning "God") in prayer, or<strong> </strong><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God_in_Judaism#HaShem" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">HaShem</a> ("The Name") in everyday speech.  A popular expression containing this phrase is <em>Baruch HaShem</em>, meaning "Thank <a href="https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jehovah" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">God</a>" (literally meaning "<em>Blessed or Praised be the Name</em>") as in "<strong>Praised be the God and Father</strong> of our Lord Jesus Christ, for according to his great mercy he gave us a new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,"  (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/1-peter/1/#:~:text=Praised%20be%20the%20God%20and%20Father" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 Peter 1:3</a>) <em>Adonai </em>and <em>Elohim</em> are non-superlative titles and often applied to angels and men and are not exclusive. Moses himself was called <em>elohim or the Greek term theos</em>.</p><p>The Greek term (theon) spelled θεόν is also a Superlative title referring to the one true God Jehovah and <strong>Jehovah alone. </strong>It occurs 148 times in the NT Greek Scriptures.  When finding θεόν in a Greek scripture, one can replace it with Jehovah for a deeper understanding of God's Word. </p><ul><li>"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Jehovah, and the Word was a god."(John 1:1)</li><li>No man has seen Jehovah at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him. (John 1:18)</li></ul><p>Many other scriptures you can look up yourself if you would like to. Here's another example:</p><p>Englishman's Concordance</p><p><strong>θεόν (theon) — 148 Occurrences</strong></p><p><a href="https://biblehub.com/text/matthew/4-7.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>Matthew 4:7</strong></a><strong> </strong><a href="https://biblehub.com/abbrev.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>N-AMS</strong></a></p><p><a href="https://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/4.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">GRK:</a> Κύριον τὸν <strong>θεόν</strong> σου</p><p><a href="https://biblehub.com/nas/matthew/4.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">NAS:</a> THE LORD <em>YOUR GOD</em> TO THE TEST.'</p><ul><li>Jesus said to him: “<strong>Again it is written:</strong> ‘You must not put <strong>Jehovah your God to the test.</strong> (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/4/#v40004007" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Mathew 4:7</a>)  Notice Jesus quotes the Hebrew OT with God's Name in it which under inspiration states “You must not put <strong>Jehovah your God to the test </strong>the way you put him to the test at Massah." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/deuteronomy/6/#v5006016" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Deuteronomy 6:16</a>) Also, another reference to God's Name in Greek Scriptures is @ <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/luke/4/#v42004012" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Lu 4:12.</a> </li></ul><p>The second Greek word for God is (theos) spelled <strong>θεός </strong>in Greek. This title is non-superlative and can be applied to Jehovah, Jesus Christ, angels, men, and idols alike.  In prayer, Jesus invokes the Superlative title <strong>θεόν (theon) </strong>to his Father by stating, "You, the only true God" at  (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/int/43/17#s=3&amp;study=discover" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 17:3</a>)  Jesus Christ is never referred to <strong>θεόν (theon).  </strong>Therefore, when Jesus Christ stated, "the Father is Greater than I am" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/john/14/#v43014028" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 14:28</a>) Jesus was stating an absolute truth. </p><p>I hope this Biblical Information helps you to break free from amongst the false religions that has entangled humankind with such hatred against one another.  Religion will soon be Destroyed.  And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “<strong>Get out of her, my people, </strong>if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of <strong>her</strong> plagues." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/18/#v66018004" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 18:4</a>)</p><p>This is Your RSVP invitation to learn the peace of mind you so richly deserve in this God Forsaken World.  The term "<strong>RSVP</strong>" comes from the French expression répondez s'il vous plaît, meaning "please respond." Once, you learn 'the truth' freedom is at your front door! "So if the Son sets you free, you will be truly free." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/john/8/#v43008036" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John8:36</a>)</p><ul><li>Select a Topic That Interests You</li><li>View encouraging Videos for yourself and your children</li><li>Read the Bible Online</li><li>Get Current Updates to Worldwide Events</li><li>Get Answers to those nagging questions</li><li>Visit <a href="http://jw.org/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">JW.org</a> anytime from anywhere</li></ul><h2></h2><h2>Don't give up, You have a reason to keep on living...</h2><p>Articles that may interest you:</p><ul><li><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/g201404/go-on-living-why/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Why Go On?</a></li><li><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/activities/help-community/saved-from-suicide/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Survive Depression</a></li><li><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-no2-2019-may-jun/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Is Life Worth Living?</a> </li><li><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/awake-no1-2020-mar-apr/how-to-deal-with-stress/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">How to Deal With Stress</a> </li><li><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/activities/help-community/campaign-saved-lives-tabasco-mexico/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">A Campaign That Saved Lives</a></li></ul><h2><a href="https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">National Suicide Prevention Lifeline</a>  1 (800) 273-8255  </h2><p><br /></p>]]>
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        <pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2022 22:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Ministry Methods</category>
        <dc:creator>Brother Rando</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>The Bible foretold not only the serious problems we now face but also the better times we can expect soon. It describes a future that is way beyond what human governments could hope to achieve, one that only God can provide. “He will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore.”—<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/21/#v66021004" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Revelation 21:4</a>.</p><p>Jehovah’s Witnesses take comfort in the Bible’s promises of a bright future, and this helps them to see beyond the pandemic. They also support one another by obeying the Bible’s command to gather regularly for worship. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/hebrews/10/#v58010024-v58010025" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Hebrews 10:24, 25</a>) Everyone is welcome to attend the <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/meetings/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">meetings of Jehovah’s Witnesses</a>, which are being held virtually during the pandemic.</p><p>Others agree that joining together with Jehovah’s Witnesses for worship has been helpful during these difficult times. For example, a woman infected with COVID-19 accepted an invitation to join Jehovah’s Witnesses’ virtual meetings. </p><p>These meetings helped her emotionally despite her ongoing health issues from the virus. She later said: “I feel that I am part of this family too. Reading the Bible gives me peace of mind and inner calm. It helps me focus on my hope for the future instead of my problems. Thank you for helping me find that connection with God that I have sought all my life.”</p><p><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/series/more-topics/post-pandemic-world-bible-help/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Read More...</a></p>]]>
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        <pubDate>Mon, 22 Nov 2021 02:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>C Mc</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>The number 144,000 occurs only twice in Scripture—both times in the book of Revelation (Rev, 7:1-8) and (Rev 14:1-5).</p><ol><li>What does this number mean to Christians today?</li><li>Is this the total number of people tore the same when Jesus comes?</li><li>Is it literal or symbolic: 144,000 is 12 x 12 x 1,000?</li><li>Are they the twelve Tribes of Israel?</li><li>What is this number, and who are these people?</li><li>What do people want to know about the 144,000? Is this a particular group or the only amount of people to be saved from the earth? If so, what will happen to the other 6 1/2 billion people on planet earth?</li></ol><p><strong>Any thoughts on the subject matter? CM</strong></p>]]>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 04 Feb 2020 05:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>C Mc</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>An old thread asked:  "Do Christians and Muslims worship the same God"? <a href="https://www.christiandiscourse.net/discussion/comment/5914#Comment_5914" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">https://www.christiandiscourse.net/discussion/comment/5914#Comment_5914</a></p><p>1. What do you believe is the consensus of the cited thread above?</p><p>Consider the current thread, basically, the same question, except for the ending: "<strong><em>Do Christians and Jews worship the same God"</em></strong>? Is there a set standard to worshipping God? If so, what is it? If not, Why not?</p><p><strong>Mitch and Jan</strong>, considering the current OP ["<em>Do Christians and Jews worship the same God"</em>?] <strong>do you want to change your response or outlook </strong>on the <strong>Bible, Jesus, and the way of salvation</strong> when the <strong>Muslims</strong> were the point of focus, but, now the Jews? If so, why? If not, why not? This topic is one, like many others, that calls for the serious-minded and sober thinkers. </p><p>We need to let this year (2020) be the year of <strong>addressing topics</strong> (original thoughts and/or quoted sources) and not the person or personalities. I would even invite GaoLu to chime back in with the new subject matter at hand. He and all former CD Users still have access to these forums. </p><p>We must avoid personal attacks, driven, many times, by inflated egos. Don't let your political persuasion influence or color your biblical knowledge and understanding. Again, we have to want to do better. Don't you think the times demand it? <strong>Please address the topic at hand, the best way you can! CM</strong></p>]]>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2019 20:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Jan</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>Since we're saved through faith alone (Ephesians 2:8-9), and the NT links repentance (i.e. change of mind/spirit in the original sense; <strong>not</strong> in the sense of "turning from sin") to salvation in multiple places (Acts 2:38; 3:19; 11:18; 17:30; 20:21; 26:20 for example), my view is: Repentance is not a work. It is part of faith, a gift from God offered to all people (1 Timothy 2:4), which we have the freedom to choose or reject.</p>
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        <pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2018 22:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Mitchell</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>In your opinion and or in your understating of the Biblical text:<br />
(1) How much does one need to believe, accept, and or know to be saved?</p>

<p>(2) Are there any beliefs that discredit one from being saved? For example, if one believes in the quote-unquote wrong eschatology or holds to the wrong soteriology does that disqualify them as a Christian?</p>

<p>(3)Will God send someone to hell for not believing the Calvinistic soteriology or for believing in the Calvinistic soteriology? Does it matter? and if so why?</p>
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        <title>Do You Have to Believe in the Trinity to be Saved?</title>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2018 11:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Mitchell</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p><strong>Disclaimer (PLEASE READ):</strong> <br /><strong>The posting of this video does not automatically equate to an endorsement of all the ideas expressed by the presenter John Schoenheit, nor of his fellowship and or affiliations. This video is posted for the purpose of eliciting reactions to the line of thought/argument reflected in the video.</strong></p>

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  <p>Romans 10:9-10 - "That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved."</p>
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        <title>Salvation: What Biblical Assurance Are There?</title>
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        <pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2018 11:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Apologetics</category>
        <dc:creator>C Mc</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<h2 data-id="get-back-to-the-basics">Get back to the basics.</h2>

<p><strong>We talk about many things. Do we know the answers to the fundamentals</strong>?</p>

<ol><li>What is salvation?</li>
<li>Is there an option?</li>
<li>Who's offering it?</li>
<li>Is salvation important?</li>
<li>Why does a man need salvation?</li>
<li>What are the terms for one to accept and have the assurance of biblical salvation?</li>
<li>Through what church is salvation offered?</li>
</ol><p>Let's not become so deep in our exposition on issues and overlook the main thing in Scripture. CM</p>
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