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        <title>Former U S President (Trump): A Thief, Demented, or A Legacy of Corruption?</title>
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</div><p><strong>Why did Trump steal from the American people?</strong></p><p><strong>Has Trump sold out America yet? </strong></p><p><br /></p><div data-embedjson="{&quot;height&quot;:113,&quot;width&quot;:200,&quot;photoUrl&quot;:&quot;https:\/\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/UrNQs-s5oFs\/hqdefault.jpg&quot;,&quot;videoID&quot;:&quot;UrNQs-s5oFs&quot;,&quot;showRelated&quot;:false,&quot;start&quot;:0,&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=UrNQs-s5oFs&quot;,&quot;embedType&quot;:&quot;youtube&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;New Reporting Outlines Trump's 'Willful' Retention Of Classified Docs&quot;,&quot;frameSrc&quot;:&quot;https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/UrNQs-s5oFs?feature=oembed&amp;autoplay=1&quot;}">
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        <title>Official Impeachment Trial of President Donald  J. Trump</title>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 13 Nov 2019 01:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p><strong>Brethren,</strong></p><p>The public Impeachment Hearings begin tomorrow by The U. S. House of representatives. Here are the factual charges.</p><h3>The case for impeaching Trump (The Facts):</h3><p><strong>Trump solicited election meddling from Ukraine</strong></p><p>Democrats believe this might be the slam dunk against Trump. <a href="https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2019/09/politics/whistleblower-complaint-annotated/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">The whistleblower said it first</a>, and it has been corroborated by multiple witnesses: "The President of the United States is using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 US election."</p><p>Trump made the request directly to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. This is clear from the rough transcript of their <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/25/politics/donald-trump-ukraine-transcript-call/index.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">July 25 phone call</a>, which was released by the White House.</p><p>After an exchange of pleasantries, Trump said the US had been "very good to Ukraine" but the relationship was not "reciprocal." Zelensky thanked Trump for providing Ukraine with military assistance and said he was almost ready to purchase additional anti-tank missiles from the US.</p><p>Trump responded, "I would like you to do us a favor though," and asked Zelensky to investigate a conspiracy theory that would help him undermine the Russia investigation. Later in the call, Trump asked Zelensky to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden, a leading 2020 rival.</p><p><a href="denied:unsafe:about:blank" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Diplomats appointed by Trump later told Ukrainian officials that Zelensky needed to publicly announce the probes, which is very rarely done in legitimate criminal investigations. This strongly suggests the plan was designed to maximize political damage to Biden's presidential campaign and was not motivated a by a sincere effort to root out corruption, as Trump claimed</a>. </p><p>"The Ukraine situation encapsulates almost exactly what impeachment was created to address," said CNN legal analyst Michael Gerhardt, who was called as a nonpartisan expert witness on impeachment during the Clinton hearings. "When the Framers talked about impeachable offenses, they mentioned the President engaging in a corrupt relationship with a foreign power."</p><p><strong>There was a quid pro quo for a White House invite</strong></p><p>Merriam-Webster's dictionary defines a quid pro quo as "something given or received for something else." <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/06/politics/trump-ukraine-quid-pro-quo-three-examples/index.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Multiple witnesses have testified </a>that the Trump administration tried to establish a quid pro quo with Ukraine to secure investigations into Biden and the Democrats.</p><p>"I think it's very likely that the Democrats will be able to show that there were conditions to presidential actions on Ukraine," said CNN legal analyst Ross Garber, a leading expert on impeachment. "Then the question becomes, were those conditions legitimate or illegitimate?"</p><p>One element of the allegedly improper arrangement included withholding a White House invitation from Zelensky. The clearest evidence of this comes from a text message sent by Kurt Volker, who was Trump's handpicked envoy for Ukraine, to top Zelensky aide Andrey Yermak.</p><p><a href="https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2019/10/politics/ukraine-text-messages-annotated/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Volker texted Yermak </a>right before Trump called Zelensky. He said: "Heard from White House — assuming President Z convinces trump he will investigate / 'get to the bottom of what happened' in 2016, we will nail down date for visit to Washington. Good luck! See you tomorrow."</p><p>Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, the top Ukraine expert on the White House's National Security Council, listened in on the Trump-Zelensky call. <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/08/politics/transcripts-released-fiona-hill-alexander-vindman/index.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">He later testified </a>that based on the "vast" power disparity between the two leaders, Trump's request would have been interpreted as "a demand" and that Zelensky would need to "fulfill this particular prerequisite in order to get the meeting."</p><p><strong>There was a quid pro quo for US military aid</strong></p><p>In addition to dangling the White House visit, the Trump administration froze $391 million in military and security assistance to Ukraine, which is still at war with Russia and Kremlin-backed militias. Weeks later, US Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland told Yermak that the money likely <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/05/politics/gordon-sondland-kurt-volker-transcripts-impeachment-inquiry/index.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">wouldn't be released </a>until Zelensky announced the investigations. </p><p>Other witnesses also said the military aid was linked to Zelensky's announcement. This includes Vindman and <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/31/politics/tim-morrison-deposition-house-impeachment-inquiry/index.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Tim Morrison</a>, two officials on the White House's National Security Council who listened to the Trump-Zelensky call. It also includes Ambassador Bill Taylor, the top US diplomat in Ukraine, who testified that<a href="https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/22/politics/bill-taylor-deposition-text-messages/index.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"> "everything" Ukraine wanted </a>relied on the investigations.</p><p>George Kent, a top State Department official overseeing Ukraine policy, testified that US military support for Ukraine was "critically important" but "partisan interest" got in the way of US policy.</p><p>"That's the most compelling argument why aid to Ukraine was in our national security interests," said CNN contributor Joe Lockhart, who was President Bill Clinton's press secretary during his impeachment. "Russia is at war with Ukraine, our ally. But President Trump put his own political interests ahead of our national security interests. That's why it rises to an impeachable offense."</p><p>At a press conference last month, acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/17/politics/mick-mulvaney-quid-pro-quo-donald-trump-ukraine-aid/index.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">brazenly admitted </a>that US military assistance had been withheld until Ukraine investigated the conspiracy theories about Russian meddling in 2016 and the Democratic National Committee's hacked servers. Mulvaney quickly walked back some of his comments, but the damage was already done. </p><p><a href="https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/strong-case-bribery-rep-jackie-speier-impeachment/story?id=66862134" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Some Democratic lawmakers </a>have raised the stakes and said the quid pro quo is tantamount to "bribery" -- a key distinction because bribery is listed in the Constitution as an impeachable offense. It's not clear yet whether Democrats will levy that accusation against Trump in an article of impeachment. Some strategists have said this might be an effective strategy. </p><p>"They need to be careful to be simple," said CNN contributor Paul Begala, a senior Clinton adviser during his impeachment. "Donald Trump knows that simple and clear slogans, repeated relentlessly, can have an effect. The Democrats should just call this what it is. It's bribery."</p><p><strong>Trump's directives to Giuliani undercut US policy</strong></p><p>Trump deployed his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani to lead the effort to secure investigations from Ukraine. As Giuliani worked to make that happen, he circumvented State Department channels and undermined US policy toward Ukraine, multiple witnesses told lawmakers. </p><p>Taylor, the man responsible for promoting US interests in Ukraine, <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/22/politics/bill-taylor-statement-5-explosive-lines/index.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">said it explicitly</a>: "The official foreign policy of the United States was undercut by the irregular efforts led by Mr. Giuliani." </p><p>In his <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/17/politics/sondland-deposition-impeachment-inquiry/index.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">closed-door deposition</a>, Sondland testified that Trump "directed" him, Volker and Energy Secretary Rick Perry to coordinate with Giuliani on Ukraine and corruption-related matters.</p><p>Rudy Giuliani, personal lawyer for President Donald Trump, speaks to members of the media at the White House in May 2018 in Washington, DC. </p><p>Things went awry after Sondland and the others teamed up with Giuliani. Former White House adviser Fiona Hill testified that she and others were <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/15/politics/donald-trump-impeachment-ukraine-fiona-hill-testimony/index.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">alarmed by Giuliani's shadow diplomacy </a>and that she reported these concerns to White House lawyers. Kent also testified that Giuliani's parallel foreign policy was "wrong." Even Sondland said he was "disappointed" by Giuliani's role.</p><p>"The direction from Trump was clear -- work with Giuliani because he represents me in this matter," CNN legal analyst Michael Zeldin said. "Giuliani has confirmed that in his tweets, that he was working on behalf of the President. Giuliani was working under Trump's authorization."</p><p>Democrats could draft articles of impeachment accusing Trump of abusing his powers and manipulating the State Department for political gain, and having Giuliani do his dirty work. The former New York City mayor has <a href="https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1192180680391843841" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">maintained</a> that everything he did was meant to defend his client, and that <a href="https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1192907335267733505" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">protecting</a> Trump from "false charges" actually "is in the nation's best interest." </p><p><strong>Trump improperly removed Yovanovitch</strong></p><p>As part of his shadow diplomacy, Giuliani also pressed for the removal of Marie Yovanovitch, a career foreign service officer who served as US ambassador to Ukraine from 2016 until May of this year.</p><p>She testified that after she was instructed to leave Ukraine, she was informed by Deputy Secretary of State John Sullivan that she had "done nothing wrong" and that the State Department "had been under pressure from the President to remove me" since summer 2018.</p><p>Former US ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch, arrives on Capitol Hill on Friday, October 11. </p><p>Kent, another State Department official, testified that Giuliani led a "campaign of lies" to oust Yovanovitch. This included allegations that she was a "deep state" partisan who stood in the way of Trump getting what he wanted from Ukraine. Giuliani <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/02/politics/state-department-inspector-general-briefing-congress/index.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">prepared a dossier </a>with these claims and gave it to the White House, which passed it to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.</p><p>"One of the elements of an impeachable offense is that you have to show bad faith," said Gerhardt, the impeachment expert. "Shoving aside US diplomats and conducing your own shadow foreign policy is the same as shoving aside the US Constitution. If the State Department wasn't ready to help Trump do what he wanted, that says a lot. It underscores the bad faith."</p><p>In Trump's phone call with Zelensky, he hinted that Yovanovitch was "going to go through some things." She testified that <a href="https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/impeachment-inquiry-11-04-2019/h_d65f1facbc37dec5b388633d0d570f36" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">she felt threatened </a>by this. Democrats could portray this episode as an act of political retaliation by Trump, based on false pretenses, against a respected civil servant.</p><p><strong>The Trump administration obstructed the inquiry</strong></p><p>Early on in the process, the White House declared the impeachment inquiry "unconstitutional" and <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/09/politics/donald-trump-democrats-impeachment-nancy-pelosi/index.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">ordered staff not to cooperate </a>by providing documents or testimony to House investigators.</p><p>At least 10 senior Trump administration officials have ignored subpoenas, including Mulvaney, Perry and Pompeo. The State Department and the Office of Management and Budget have defied subpoenas for documents that could shed new light on Trump's dealings with Ukraine.</p><p>"I believe the House of Representatives is acting under its impeachment authority, and has the legal right to this testimony," Zeldin said. "For White House witnesses to refuse to honor these subpoenas, it appears obstructionist to me. There is no arguable basis to deny Congress."</p><p>After President Richard Nixon ignored congressional subpoenas in 1974, the House Judiciary Committee approved an impeachment article against him for contempt of Congress. Rep. Adam Schiff, a top Democrat leading the Trump inquiry, has <a href="https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/11/04/schiff-criticizes-refusal-to-testify-ip-vpx.cnn" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">repeatedly invoked </a>the Nixon precedent and has pointed out that a <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/25/politics/grand-jury-impeachment-mueller/index.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">federal judge ruled </a>that the House impeachment inquiry is legal. </p><p>If Democrats want to broaden their obstruction case against Trump, they have options. </p><p>The White House admitted that it used a highly classified filing system to <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/27/politics/donald-trump-ukraine-transcript-white-house/index.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">suppress transcripts </a>of the Trump-Zelensky phone call, which Democrats could portray as a cover-up. Also, Vindman testified that he was blocked by the White House from <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/30/politics/impeachment-watch-october-29/index.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">adding more context </a>to the transcript, specifically a reference to "Burisma," the company where Biden's son sat on the board.</p><h2>Let's not burden this thread with propaganda. <strong>Please, cite only the facts. Keep it clear...  CM</strong></h2><p><br /></p><h2>source:  <a href="https://www.foxnews.com/politics/schiff-sets-stage-for-impeachment-hearings" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">https://www.foxnews.com/politics/schiff-sets-stage-for-impeachment-hearings</a></h2>]]>
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