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<p>“Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given <strong><em>ME  </em></strong>in heaven and on the earth. Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations <strong><em>in MY Name</em></strong><em>,</em> teaching them to observe all the things<strong><em> I have</em></strong> commanded you. And look! <strong><em>I am</em></strong> with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.” (Hebrew Matt 28:18-20)                                                       </p><p>"Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations <strong><em>in MY Name</em></strong><em>,</em> " (Hebrew Matthew 28:19)</p><p>The Historian Eusebius of Caesarea (263-339), had extensive access to the Library that kept a copy of the original text of Matthew.  Eusebius was also a Bishop whom quoted the Shem Tov Book of Matthew some seventeen times and all quotes of (Matthew 28:19) were quotes of one accord with no variations, (<strong><em>In My Name</em></strong>).</p><p>"In fact, Eusebius refers to this passage well over a dozen times in the same form as the above quotations. Now you must also be aware that this quotation by Eusebius is also earlier than our earliest manuscripts for this verse. Hence, it is quite possible that a corruption occurred around the time the Arian controversy broke out under Constantine's reign. The following quotation is particularly interesting:</p><p>For he did not enjoin them “to make disciples of all the nations” simply and without qualification, but with the essential addition “<strong>in his name</strong>”. </p><p>Scripture also says that <strong>by the authority of Jesus</strong> people would be told to turn to God and change the way they think and act so that their sins will be forgiven. <strong>This would be told to people from all nations</strong>, beginning in the city of Jerusalem. '...and <strong>on the basis of his name</strong>, repentance for forgiveness of sins would be preached in all the nations—starting out from Jerusalem.' (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/luke/24/#v42024047" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Luke 24:47</a>)</p><p>When the Apostles approached the public in Jerusalem to give witness about Jesus, the Sanhedrin had them brought in for questioning, and a Pharisee named Gamaliel rose in the Sanhedrin and reasoned with them to  be careful as to what you intend to do about these men.  Do not meddle with these men, but let them alone. For if this scheme or this work is from men, it will be overthrown; but if it is from God, you will not be able to overthrow them. Otherwise, you may even be found fighters against God himself.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/acts/5/#v44005033-v44005039" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Acts 5:33-39</a>)</p><p>"At this they took his advice, and they summoned the apostles, flogged them, <strong>and ordered them to stop speaking on the basis of Jesus’ name</strong>, and let them go." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/acts/5/#v44005040" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Acts 5:40</a>)  Notice the Apostles weren't speaking in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit but in Jesus' Name.  </p><p>We also have this scripture which states, "For you were buried <strong>with him in his baptism</strong>, and by your relationship with him you were also raised up together through your faith in the powerful work of God, who raised him up from the dead." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/colossians/2/#v51002012" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Colossians 2:12</a>)</p><p>Eusebius goes on to relate that "<em>God bestowed on him the name above every name</em>, that <strong>in the name of Jesus</strong> every knee shall bow of things in heaven and on earth and under the earth." It was right therefore that he should emphasize the virtue of the power residing <strong>in his name</strong> <em>but hidden from the many</em>, and therefore say to his Apostles, "Go ye, and make disciples of all the nations <strong>in my name</strong>.’ (Demonstatio Evangelica, col. 240, p. 136)</p><ul><li><a href="https://www.apostolic.edu/the-baptismal-formula/#:~:text=Invoking%20the%20name,the%20Lord%20Jesus%3A%E2%80%9D" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Invoking the Name</a> </li><li><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/acts/4/#v44004010-v44004012" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Acts 4:10-12</a> </li><li><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/acts/4/#v44004027-v44004030" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Acts 4:27-30</a> </li></ul><p></p><p><br /></p><p>So where did the current liturgy or formula found at Matthew 28:19 come from?  </p><ul><li><strong>Catholic Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger</strong> makes this confession as to the origin of the chief Trinity text of Matthew 28:19. “<em>The basic form of our (Matthew 28:19 Trinitarian) profession of faith took shape during the course of </em><strong><em>the second and third centuries in connection with the ceremony of baptism.</em></strong><em> So far as its place of origin is concerned, the text (Matthew 28:19) </em><strong><em>came from the city of Rome</em></strong><em>.</em>” — Joseph Ratzinger (Pope Benedict XVI) Introduction to Christianity: 1968 edition, pp. 82, 83.</li><li>A key tellable sign that this was <a href="https://drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&amp;bk=47&amp;ch=28&amp;l=19-#x" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">100% Catholic liturgy</a> is that it read in the name "of the Father, Son, and Holy <strong>Ghost</strong>"  </li><li><a href="https://religionnews.com/2020/09/15/vatican-causes-chaos-by-invalidating-baptism-formula/#:~:text=In%20fact%2C%20some,the%20second%20century.%E2%80%9D" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Early Christians</a> </li></ul><p><br /></p><p>However, between the years 315 and 325 CE the Hebrew Book of Matthew was shelved or in some manner hidden away or may have even been destroyed.  "<strong>The Greek version </strong>used by Eusebius poured more widely these verses, but in no way changing the sense of the Hebrew text, because when he quotes in his <strong>Ecclesiastical History </strong>part of Matthew 28:19, he writes: </p><p><br /></p><p><em>“</em>Πηγαίνετε, κάντε μαθητές από όλα τα έθνη στο <strong><em>όνομά μου</em></strong><em>”</em>  </p><p>“Go, make disciples of all nations<strong> <em>in my name</em>.</strong>”</p><p><br /></p><p>There is NOTHING in this scripture about baptizing in the Shem Tov Book of Matthew 28:19, but rather the making of disciples.  Today, what is found of the Aramaic texts of Matthew 28:19, did not contain any form of baptism nor was the making of disciples found, but contained the simplistic command "Go".  However, the verse “Go, make disciples of all nations<strong> <em>in my name</em></strong>” was quoted dozen of times by several historians of the Hebrew Book of Matthew before its' official deletion and alteration<a href="https://www.britannica.com/event/First-Council-of-Nicaea-325#:~:text=The%20council%20condemned%20Arius%20and%2C%20with%20reluctance%20on%20the%20part%20of%20some%2C%20incorporated%20the%20nonscriptural%20word%20homoousios%20(%E2%80%9Cof%20one%20substance%E2%80%9D)%20into%20a%20creed%20to%20signify%20the%20absolute%20equality%20of%20the%20Son%20with%20the%20Father" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"> </a>took place on 325 CE at the <a href="https://www.britannica.com/event/First-Council-of-Nicaea-325#:~:text=The%20council%20condemned%20Arius%20and%2C%20with%20reluctance%20on%20the%20part%20of%20some%2C%20incorporated%20the%20nonscriptural%20word%20homoousios%20(%E2%80%9Cof%20one%20substance%E2%80%9D)%20into%20a%20creed%20to%20signify%20the%20absolute%20equality%20of%20the%20Son%20with%20the%20Father" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Council of Nicaea</a>. </p><p>Since there are other scriptures that point to what Name was to be invoked in baptizing new converts, it is evident that the Catholic dogma was inserted early and in it's infancy by design to lead the masses away from Jesus Christ.  However, there is no need for dependence on outside sources when the Bible itself has been preserved.  Allowing scripture to interpret scripture when it comes to Baptizing is the Best Method. Here's a short list...</p><ul><li>Peter said to them: “Repent, and let each one of you be <strong>baptized in the name of Jesus Christ </strong>for forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the free gift of the holy spirit.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/acts/2/#v44002038" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Acts 2:38</a>)</li></ul><p><br /></p><ul><li>“With that he commanded them to be <strong>baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.</strong> Then they requested him to stay for some days.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/acts/10/#v44010048" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Acts 10:48</a>) </li></ul><p><br /></p><ul><li>“But when they believed Philip, who was declaring the good news of the Kingdom of God and of <strong>the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were getting baptized</strong>.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/acts/8/#v44008012" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Acts 8:12</a>)</li></ul><p><br /></p><ul><li>“Or <strong>do you not know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus</strong> were baptized into his death?” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/romans/6/#v45006003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Romans 6:3</a>)</li></ul><p><br /></p><ul><li>“On hearing this,<strong> they got baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.</strong>” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/acts/19/#v44019005" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Acts 19:5</a>)</li></ul><p><br /></p><ul><li> <strong>The Catholic Encyclopedia, II, page 263: </strong>“<em>The baptismal formula was changed </em><strong><em>from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son, and Holy  Spirit </em></strong><em>by the Catholic Church in the second century.</em>”</li></ul><p><br /></p><ul><li>Catholic Catechism - “Into Christ. The Bible tells us that Christians were baptized into Christ (no. 6). They belong to Christ. The Acts of the Apostles (2:38; 8:16; 10:48; 19:5) tells us of baptizing “in the name (person) of Jesus.” -- a better translation would be “into the name (person) of Jesus.” <strong>Only in the 4th Century did the formula "In the </strong></li><li><strong> name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit” become customary.” </strong></li></ul><p><br /></p><p>              Source:  Kersten, J. C. (1973). Bible Catechism. 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<p><br /></p><p>Ps...  Brother Rando's Detailed Summary of Matthew 28:19</p><p><br /></p><p>My findings of Matthew 28:19 in its' current state is that it had been altered and falsified by what the Apostle Paul called the Superfine Apostles in 2 Corinthians and what the Apostle John called antichrists in 1 John in the latter part of the first century.  As the Apostles fell asleep in death by 100 CE, the Great Apostasy began.</p><p>Matthew 28:19 was one of the first or the first scripture that underwent a corruption by what is called today as the Apostolic Church.  Apostates of the first century whom left the teachings of the Apostles.  Also known as the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostolic_Fathers#:~:text=The%20Apostolic%20Fathers%2C%20also%20known%20as%20the%20Ante%2DNicene%20Fathers%2C%20were%20core%20Christian%20theologians%20among%20the%20Church%20Fathers%20who%20lived%20in%20the%201st%20and%202nd%20centuries%20AD%2C%20who%20are%20believed%20to%20have%20personally%20known%20some%20of%20the%20Twelve%20Apostles%2C%20or%20to%20have%20been%20significantly%20influenced%20by%20them.%5B1%5D" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Apostolic Fathers</a> of Christendom.  These false teachers of the first and second century either knew or claimed to have been influenced by the Twelve Apostles.  All the while, being oppossers of the Apostles with smooth words to carry off their prey.  It became the foundation of the Catholic Church.</p><p>The formula found at Matthew 28:19 sticks out of place using a triune formula for baptism.  The problem is that none of the Apostles ever taught such a thing.  "Whatever it is that you do in word or in deed, do everything in the <strong>name</strong> <strong>of the Lord</strong> <strong>Jesus</strong>, thanking God the Father through him." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/colossians/3/#v51003017" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Colossians 3:17</a>)</p><p>The wording is the same wording used in the <a href="https://www.biblebookprofiler.com/the-forgery-of-matthew-28-19.html#:~:text=Look%20at%20this%20line,them%20to%20the%20bible" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Didache Chapter Seven and Verse One</a>.  An apostate teaching that was introduced deceptively by the Superfine Apostles who left Christ.</p><p>The <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didache#:~:text=The%20Didache%20" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Didache</a> falsely claims to be the Lord's teaching through the Twelve Apostles to the Nations.  Not only did these Apostates reject the <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/acts/2/#v44002038" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Baptism in the Name of Jesus Christ</a>, but you will also notice the denial of Baptism by complete water immersion.  Also, you will see they have become like the Pharisees adding rules and regulations that the one being baptized is to Fast for one or two days.  LOL.... at least they didn't say THREE days! </p><div>
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<p><br /></p><p>Reading just a few lines, one can see how heavy handed this Apostate Church was with man-made traditions.  Such big fat hypocrites!  Can't get baptized unless you Fast for one or two days. Need to use cold water, if not, then warm. Need to use running water, if not, then pour water on the head three times!  Jump on one leg and yell fly me to the moon! What a Cult!</p><p>Therefore the finding of the current Matthew 28:19 is just as Fake and Spurious as the Apostates who put it there.  The Didache is just one of many <a href="https://www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/apostolic-constitutions#:~:text=the%20Apostolic%20Constitutions%20were%20held%20generally%20in%20high%20esteem%20and%20served%20as%20the%20basis%20for%20much%20ecclesiastical%20legislation.%20They%20are%20today%20of%20the%20highest%20value%20as%20an%20historical%20document%2C%20revealing%20the%20moral%20and%20religious%20conditions%20and%20the%20liturgical%20observances%20of%20the%20third%20and%20fourth%20centuries" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Apostolic Constitutions</a> that served as the basis for twisting and altering the Bible. It shows the deceptive moral and religious conditions of the third and fourth centuries, not what the <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/bible-teach/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Bible really teaches</a>.</p><p>This <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocrypha#:~:text=Apocrypha%20was%20later%20applied%20to%20writings%20that%20were%20hidden%20not%20because%20of%20their%20divinity%20but%20because%20of%20their%20questionable%20value%20to%20the%20church.%20In%20general%20use%2C%20the%20word%20apocrypha%20has%20come%20to%20mean%20%22false%2C%20spurious%2C%20bad%2C%20or%20heretical%22" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Apocrypha satire</a> should be exposed and dismissed as "the angel flying in midheaven has <strong>everlasting good news</strong> to declare to those who dwell on the earth, to every nation and tribe and tongue and people." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/14/#v66014006" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 14:6</a>)</p><p>I look forward to the day to open up the New World Translation with the correct rending, "Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations <strong><em>in MY Name</em></strong><em>,</em>" (Matthew 28:19)</p>]]>
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