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        <title>Lucifer — Christian Debate</title>
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        <title>Angels: Are they Real?</title>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2021 13:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p><strong><a data-username="Wolfgang" data-userid="10" rel="nofollow" href="https://christiandiscourse.net/index.php?p=/profile/Wolfgang">@Wolfgang</a>  asked the question in the thread </strong><a href="https://www.christiandiscourse.net/discussion/915/witches-and-witchcraft" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Witches and Witchcraft</a> @<a href="https://www.christiandiscourse.net/profile/C%20Mc" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>C Mc</strong></a><strong> </strong><a href="https://www.christiandiscourse.net/discussion/915/witches-and-witchcraft" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Apr 12, 2021</a>. I think it needed its own space and a full hearing:</p><div><div><p>"... The translation "angel" of a word which simply means "messenger" misleading and giving a false idea? Are there even "FALLEN angels" (i.e. can angels "fall [sin, rebel]" ? If so, who is to say that those assumed supposedly "good angels" now won't at some time also "fall" ?? A big re-think on "angels" seems necessary ..."</p></div></div><p>Yes, angels are real. According to Genesis 18, three men visited Abraham (18:1–2), and he showed them his generous hospitality. Later in the story, <strong>two of them departed to Sodom</strong> (18:16, 22), and <strong>they are identified as angels or messengers</strong> (19:1, 15) but also as men (19:5, 10, 12). </p><p>The Lord who visited Abraham together with <strong>two other angels</strong> (Gen 18:1–2, 10, 13, 16–23, 33; 19:1, 18–19) and spoke with Abraham in chap.18.</p><p>As for questioning the veracity of "fallen angels", it's all here, in your Bible. There is sufficient evidence of passages referring to t<strong>he chief fallen angel known as Satan"</strong></p><ul><li><strong>Isa 14:12–15</strong></li><li><strong>Ezek 28:12–19</strong></li></ul><p>Satan's (Lucifer) activities of pride and pretension to be like God are made plain. The passages show a link to <strong>Rev 12:7–9</strong>. All of the aforementioned passages convey “<strong><em>an event that occurred in the heavenly realm</em></strong>” involving <strong>a divine being or member of the heavenly council </strong>(Ps 82; Ezek 28:12–19). These verses show “<strong><em>a creature subjected to mortalit</em></strong>y.”</p><p>Wolfgang, Could be perhaps, "A big re-think" on <strong>doubting </strong>"angels" seems necessary ..."? <strong>CM</strong></p>]]>
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