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        <title>The Final Phase of Christ's Presence soon to be revealed...</title>
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<p>When studying prophecy I have encountered a common denominator. The revealing of prophecy comes with a process. I have not yet come across a single prophecy that has occurred in an immediate fashion but rather in a slow revelation. (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/l/r1/lp-e?q=Matthew+24%3A29-31" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:29-31</a>) The phrase 'the tribulation of <em>those days</em>' refers to 'a<em> time of trouble</em>' or Last Days. Aren't these last days dark with <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024008" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">pangs of distress</a>? This <em>allotment of troubled times</em> is a <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/bible-glossary/conclusion-system-of-things/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Conclusion of a System of things</a>. The End of the Gentile times in 1914 ushered in the Last Days. There was an Arabic term used in Biblical times when a Ruler fell from grace, the term used was <strong><em>'His Heaven has Fallen!</em></strong>" The effects would be felt by <strong><em>all the inhabitants</em></strong> of the earth. The scripture gives us some very detailed information as the scripture ends with, 'the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.' (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024029" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:29</a>) <em>It's Spiritual </em>and these signs or (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/8/#v66008013" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">woes</a>) have been occurring since 1914, the year Satan and his hordes were hurled out of Heaven onto the earth. Each of the three woes consist of <strong>a period of 40 years of refinement.</strong> "Woe, woe, woe to those dwelling on the earth" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/8/#v66008013" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 8:13</a>)</p><p>As this third and final woe comes to its' end, Jesus will quietly begin to separate the faithful. The sudden appearance of the Great Crowd begins to be renewed and restored physically as they begin to outlive the wicked as they gain insight. (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/bl/r1/lp-e?q=daniel%2012%3A9-10" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Daniel 12: 9-10</a>) The wicked? Well, they have No Understanding at All. Not knowing which way is up or down. They become deaf, dumb, and stupid to <em>the truth BEFORE</em> they die the second death. In some cases, those who become so animalistic to do harm to the righteous may experience a sudden death in the manner of a <a href="https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/expedite#:~:text=1,%3A%20speed%20up" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">expedited removal </a>of such ones. This will be a warning to the remaining ones as their life slowly ebbs away.</p><p>The following verse states, 'Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven'. That sign began in 1914 <strong>causing all the tribes of the earth to beat themselves in grief</strong>, including those who are rightly disposed for everlasting life, even those whom are anointed are not immune to Satan's woes upon the earth. "For just as the lightning comes out of the east and shines over to the west, so the Presence of the Son of man will be." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024027" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:27</a>) What is that sign? The four horsemen that ride, all have work to do. These <strong>four horsemen</strong> are part of that <a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2005721" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Composite Sign</a> spoken of in Jesus' answer to the question, “Tell us, when will these things be, and <em>what will be the sign </em>of your Presence and of the Conclusion of the system of things?” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:3</a>) They give evidence of Christ's Presence as the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and glory.</p><p>Christ 'will send out his angels with a great trumpet sound,' but what is the purpose? 'They will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds'. "<em>The Lord himself</em> will descend from heaven with <strong>a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet</strong>, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/1-thessalonians/4/#v52004016" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 Thess 4:16</a>) This prophecy was first spoken of at (<a href="https://www.brorando.com/post/a-new-world-approaches" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Daniel 12:1-2</a>) "Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, <strong>until after we have sealed the slaves of our God</strong> in their foreheads.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/7/#v66007003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 7:3</a>) "And I heard the number of those who were sealed, 144,000" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/7/#v66007004" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 7:4</a>)</p><p>The completion of the sealing of the 144,000 paves the way for the Last Days to come to their end. With that, the (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024008" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">pangs of distress</a>) quietly come to their end for those rightly disposed for everlasting life, <strong>the Great Crowd</strong>. This very well could be the event that brings the Pollical Kings together proclaiming peace and security. "Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them, just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/1-thessalonians/5/#v52005003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 Thessalonians 5:3</a>)</p><p>However, once the Last Days come to their end, the ones who are deceived by the Kings of Gog of Magog by <em>refusing to give Jehovah and his Anointed One credit</em> will begin dying a death of everlasting destruction, the second death with no hope of a resurrection. They die forever in the manner of Adam and Eve. However, as they die off without knowing of such, they do eventually begin to witness a wonderous phenomenon that positively provides undeniable proof of Christ's Presence as our Brothers and Sisters begin to Receive the Blessings of Jehovah's Kingdom Government. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/daniel/2/#v27002044" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Daniel 2:44</a>) This Revelation is the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory!</p><p>The Final Phase of Christ's Presence will <strong>Slowly Be Revealed as a Witness for All to SEE.</strong> The wicked will <strong>lament </strong>at seeing our Brothers and Sisters getting healthier as each day passes.</p><ul><li>"He forgives all your errors And heals all your ailments; He reclaims your life from the pit And crowns you with his loyal love and mercy. He satisfies you with good things all your life, So that your youth is renewed like that of an eagle." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/psalms/103/#v19103003-v19103005" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Psalm 103:3-5</a>)</li><li>"Let his flesh become fresher than in youth; Let him return to the days of his youthful vigor." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/job/33/#v18033025" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Job 33:25</a>)</li></ul><p>Once the wicked recognize <strong><em>the Reality</em></strong> that they are dying of sickness and old age, they will look for a faster way to die themselves. "In those days people will seek death but will by no means find it, and they will long to die, but death will flee from them." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/9/#v66009006" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 9:6</a>) The death they die will be a Slow one, so don't feel sorry for such ones who hate God's Holy Name with slander. They holler and scream with <a href="https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vitriol#:~:text=1,language%20or%20criticism" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>vitriol vile</strong></a> as they are tormented day and night at SEEING faithful brothers and sisters out live them becoming perfect in health little by little. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/exodus/23/#v2023030" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Exodus 23:30</a>) The sacred secret about <strong>the Great Tribulation</strong> that begins soon after<em> the Conclusion of the Last Days </em>is that it doesn't affect everyone, like <em>the tribulation of those days that began in 1914, </em>but <strong>only the wicked!</strong></p><p>Soon, very soon, Jehovah's Witnesses will end New Bible Studies and walk away from those who Jesus Christ has deemed hypocrites in (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/2-timothy/3/#v55003001-v55003005" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>2 Timothy 3:1-5</strong></a>). This phenomenal display will prove to be too much for the wicked who reviled your faith as they witness your vitality of unbounding health and happiness. "<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/awake-no1-2020-mar-apr/stress-free-life-possible/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Look! My servants will shout joyfully because of the good condition of the heart,</a> But you will cry out because of the pain of heart And you will wail because of a broken spirit." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/isaiah/65/#v23065014" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Isaiah 65:14</a>)</p>]]>
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        <title>Are You Prepared to Lose Your Social Benefits?</title>
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        <pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2024 18:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>Many Countries offer Social Benefits to their citizens to give them a helping hand. These Benefits were meant to be given for a limited time. Those precious benefits will come to an abrupt end as <a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2012681" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the Political Kings of the earth </a>turn against the World of False Religion to confiscate and plunder her Wealth.</p><ul><li>Look! I am about to throw her into a sickbed, and those committing adultery with her <strong>into great tribulation</strong>, unless they repent of her deeds. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/2/#v66002022" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 2:22</a>)</li><li>And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/18/#v66018004" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 18:4</a>)</li><li>“And the kings of the earth who committed sexual immorality with her and lived with her in shameless luxury will weep and beat themselves in grief over her when they see the smoke from her burning. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/18/#v66018009" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 18:19</a>)</li></ul><p>The Wealth and goods obtained will be used to fund their armies and enforcers to do a house to house check to see if you and your family are bending your knees to <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/revelation-13-beast/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the Wild Beast</a> in worship. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/13/#v66013004" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 13:4</a>) By the time of the Enforcement comes, your assets will have already been confiscated to weaken your resistance and your family members could be used as bargaining chips for your cooperation whether you are willing or unwilling. "Whoever seeks to keep his life safe will lose it, but whoever loses it will preserve it alive." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/luke/17/#v42017033" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Luke 17:33</a>)</p><p>The Bible points to who makes up the members of <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/ws20150515/gog-of-magog/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Gog of Magog</a>, and if you are uninformed, what is coming your way will make you shutter. The shock that will overcome you will be such a traumatic experience you will look for death but not able to find it. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/9/#v66009006" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 9:6</a>) If you have faith, it will severely be tested and if you have no faith, you will be swept away not knowing which way to turn like a caged wild animal.</p><p>Your Social Benefits will cease and be used to fund the Enforcement. Maybe your Health Benefit expires, then all of a sudden your food benefit. Your complex in <strong>not knowing what is going on</strong> and then your shelter benefit is removed. Maybe you are forcibly removed from your house for not paying your taxes. You can't buy or sell anything, your funds no longer exist that were in your bank account, all access is closed and you're locked out. The Bank will not respond or answer any questions. The government issues a notice if you have any cash to exchange it with the Wild Beast for pennies on the dollar. Those who have cash but refuse to exchange their cash will lose it because there will be a certain date of expiration on all currency in any form, including precious metals such as gold and silver. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/daniel/11/#v27011043" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Daniel 11:43</a>) No matter how much you have saved or stored up for yourself, you will lose it. If you worship any god other than the Wild Beast, you and your family will be thrown into the lion's pit sort to speak.</p><ul><li>All the royal officials, prefects, satraps, high royal officers, and governors have consulted together to establish a royal decree and to enforce a ban, that for 30 days whoever makes a petition to any god or man except to you, O king, should be thrown into the lions’ pit. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/daniel/6/#v27006007" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Daniel 6:7</a>)</li></ul><p>It won't matter what religion you are or even if you're an <a href="https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheist" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Athiest</a>. Worship the Wild Beast or start losing your family and friends one by one while you stand there motionless in shock as the life drains away from your loved ones. AS the members of Gog and Magog are gathered by the demonic forces to get ready for the Enforcement, there will be one people left. Those who are holding onto their integrity to the One True God which enrages Satan to Act:</p><ul><li>You will say: “I will invade the land of unprotected settlements. I will come against those living in security, without disturbance, all of them living in settlements unprotected by walls, bars, or gates.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/ezekiel/38/#v26038011" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Ezekiel 38:11</a>)</li></ul><p>According to Bible Prophecy, it is <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/mediaitems/VODBibleTeachings/pub-jwbcov_201505_11_VIDEO" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Jehovah's Anointed One</a> that will Destroy Gog of Magog for coming after his Named People. The scriptures give us insight and a warning regarding to listening to instruction from the two spies whom gave specific directions to Rahab. "You should gather your father, your mother, your brothers, and all your father’s household with you into the house. Then if anyone goes out the doors of your house into the open, his blood will be on his own head, and we will be free from guilt. But if harm comes to anyone who remains with you in the house, his blood will be on our heads." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/joshua/2/#v6002018-v6002019" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Joshua 2:18-19</a>)</p><p>Let the scripture interpret scripture. Compare the Spies instruction to Rahab to the following:</p><ul><li>Go, my people, enter your inner rooms, And shut your doors behind you. Hide yourself for a brief moment Until the wrath has passed by. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/isaiah/26/#v23026020" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Isaiah 6:20</a>)</li></ul><p>Rahab and her family were saved while those on the outside were destroyed. And sanctuary is promised to those who enter our congregations of inner rooms meaning they have a good standing with Jehovah. But notice the scripture that we often use for the great tribulation.</p><ul><li>Jehovah said to him: “Go through the city, through Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who are sighing and groaning over all the detestable things that are being done in the city.” And to the others he said in my hearing: “Go through the city after him and strike. Do not let your eye feel sorry, and do not feel any compassion." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/ezekiel/9/#v26009004-v26009005" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Ezekiel 9:4-5</a>)</li></ul><p>The marking on the foreheads is the mark for survival. These ones keep on living through the great tribulation and enter into the new world as survivors known as <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-september-2019/great-crowd/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the great crowd</a>. But notice it happens at a time of 'sighing and groaning over all the detestable things that are being done'. Also, notice <strong>where</strong> the slaughter of the wicked starts from?</p><ul><li>Old man, young man, virgin, little child, and women you should kill off completely. But<strong><em> do not go near to any man on whom there is the mark</em></strong><em>. </em><strong><em>You should start from my sanctuary.</em></strong><em> </em>So they started with the elders who were in front of the house. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/ezekiel/9/#v26009006" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Ezekiel 9:6</a>)</li></ul><p>Our current understanding of this scripture is that it occurs after the great tribulation begins which we believe is in the near future. So the term '<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/pure-worship/corruption/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">My Sanctuary</a>' may need some refining as to the meaning. It certainly has to do with 'Pure Worship' and if that is the case then the Congregation of God would be 'My Sanctuary'. The Temple of God would be Jesus Christ and the 144,000. Also, the action of removing or the cutting off 'started with the elders who were in front of the house', those who willingly forsook the offering of worship services, and praise which began in 1919. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/13/#v40013037-v40013042" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 13:37-42</a>)</p><ul><li>Immediately after <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/2-timothy/3/#v55003001" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the tribulation of those days</a>, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024029" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:29</a>)</li><li>Therefore, just as the weeds are collected and burned with fire, <strong>so it will be in the conclusion of the system of things</strong>. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/13/#v40013040" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 13:40</a>)</li></ul><p>Allow the scripture to guide you. There are two meanings, one, is in the literal sense after the period of the Last Days has ended which is coming to a conclusion now or second, it is Spiritual and happening at the Beginning of the Last Days in 1914. After all, an Arabic rendering applies to a Ruler being removed from their office of Rulership is that <em>'</em><strong><em>his heaven has fallen</em></strong><em>'</em> which happened to Satan being hurled out of the Heavens in 1914 which the World rejects today. Not to mention that Charles Taze Russell gave us divine warning that <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/daniel/12/#v27012001" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Daniel 12:1</a> would undergo fulfillment in 1914 as the End of the Gentile times.</p><p>Indication and scripture points to 1914 and the Beginning as to 'My Sanctuary' started with the elders who were in front of the house in 1919! The elders in this sense were Unfaithful Brothers who rejected the Presence of Christ and became apostates to turn others away from the organization of the Faithful and Discreet Slave. The Book of Matthew continues, "Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and <strong>all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief</strong>, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024030" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:30</a>)</p><p>Again two meanings, if literal it would occur after the Last Days have concluded. But if Spiritual, the prophecy began unfolding in 1919. Why? Aren't <strong>all the tribes of the earth beating themselves in grief </strong>today? Don't Jehovah's Witnesses grieve today because of the three horsemen? Not only does the World grieve the three horsemen, but do they not shun the Rider of the fourth horse whose <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/19/#v66019013" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Name is the Word of God</a>? (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/3/#v66003020" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 3:20</a>)</p><p>Wake Up O Sleeper! It's very interesting when scripture reveals itself how people become so stubborn. "The sun will be turned into darkness and the moon into blood <strong>Before</strong> the coming of the great and awe-inspiring day of Jehovah." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/joel/2/#v29002031" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Joel 2:31</a>) Immediately after <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/2-timothy/3/#v55003001" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the tribulation of those days</a>, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024029" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:29</a>) And there will occur <strong>a time of distress such as has not occurred since</strong> there came to be a nation until that time. And during that time your people will escape, everyone who is found written down in the book. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/daniel/12/#v27012001" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Daniel 12:1</a>) 1914 or a future date? To claim we have not entered into a time of distress such as has not occurred since is to deny Prophecy. The Last Days of Satan's System of things do not go on forever, they do and will come to their End!</p><ul><li>“Go subduing<strong> in the midst of your enemies</strong>.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/psalms/110/#v19110001-v19110002" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Psalm 110:1- 2</a>) Those enemies are not instantly destroyed but are bundled up to die a permanent death like that of Adam and Eve. The fiery furnace is symbolic speech for everlasting death.</li></ul><p>For as they were in those days before the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, <strong>so the PRESENCE of the Son of man will Be. </strong>(<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024038-v40024039" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:38-39</a>) It's Spiritual.... otherwise you would have no need to prove yourself ready.</p><ul><li>On this account, you too prove yourselves ready, because <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/Reasoning-From-the-Scriptures/Return-of-Christ/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the Son of man is coming</a> at an hour that you do not think to be it. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024044" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:44</a>)</li><li>Three Phases of <a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1954447#:~:text=30%2C%20NW.-,PRESENCE%2C%20MANIFESTATION%2C%20REVELATION,would%20accomplish%20deliverance%20for%20them%20far%20beyond%20their%20own%20private%20expectations.,-FIXING%20THE%20RESPONSIBILITY" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Christ' Presence</a></li><li>“As for me and my household, we shall serve Jehovah.” (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/bc/r1/lp-e/201987362/0/0" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Joshua 24:14-15</a>)</li></ul><p>If you like Bible Based Videos please watch some @ <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/categories/VODBibleTeachings" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Bible Teachings</a></p>]]>
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        <title>Do you understand Matthew 24:3?</title>
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        <pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2023 01:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Bible Questions</category>
        <dc:creator>Brother Rando</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>Do you understand Matthew 24:3?<br /></p><p><br /></p><div>
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<p>If you haven't gained understanding of <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:3</a>, you are not alone. Jesus Christ response to the question of 'when' was, "Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024036" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew24:36</a>) This Greek Word <em>parousia</em> literally means 'being alongside' and alludes to <a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1001060093" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Christ's Presence</a> <em>covering a period of time </em>as to “<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/genesis/6/#v1006003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the Days of Noah</a> Before the Flood would occur.” Jesus compared this specific time period to “the Presence of the Son of man” at (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024037" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:37</a>).</p><p>The Question the four disciples put to Jesus was in two parts. One, to <em>His Presence </em>which he did not know personally. And second, to the conclusion of the system of things of which he answered, "Look out that nobody misleads you.. You are going to hear of wars and reports of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for these things must take place, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress." (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/l/r1/lp-e?q=Matthew+24%3A4-8" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:4-8</a>)</p><p>WTS quote - (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101973021?q=1876&amp;p=par#:~:text=it%20was%20called-,%E2%80%9CBible%20Examiner.%E2%80%9D,-In%20the%20year" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Bible Examiner</a>) - In the year 1876 the twenty-four-year-old Russell made a contribution on the subject to this magazine.  It was published in Volume XXI, Number 1, which was the issue of October, 1876. On pages 27, 28 of that issue Russell’s article was published under the title “Gentile Times: When Do They End?” In that article (page 27) Russell said: “The seven times will end in A.D. 1914.”- End of WTS Quote.</p><p>Brother Russell wrote: "'<strong>The Earth Abideth Foreve</strong>r' Christ will not return to Earth as a Man - Present Year Believed to Mark Great Change of Dispensation, but World May not discern Immediate Difference." <strong>The Bible Students Monthly</strong>,<strong> January, 1914.</strong></p><ul><li>"Our Lord, in describing His Second Presence, clearly indicated that it would be unnoticed by the world until the cataclysm of trouble should come. Thus He likened the earlier days of His presence to <strong><em>that period before the Flood</em></strong>, when the world, unconscious of the impending catastrophe, continued to build, eat and drink as usual, and knew not. So, says the Master, it will be in the end of this Age. Eating, drinking, building, planting and marrying will proceed as usual; and the world will not know that they are in the <strong>PRESENCE of the Son of Man.</strong>"</li><li>He continues, "The Bible nowhere tells that Jesus took the human nature to keep it forever, and to return with it to Heaven, where it would be completely out of order and out of place. The Bible teaches, on the contrary, that "flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God" (1 Cor 15:50); and that Jesus was made flesh merely 'that He, by the grace of God, should taste death for every man' (Heb 2:9) and that after doing this work He would "ascend up where He was before." (John 6:62)  <strong>The great Day of Trouble, noted throughout the Scriptures as the Time of Trouble such as never was since there was a nation, will come upon them suddenly.</strong>" (Matthew 24:21)</li><li>"Then, later on, will come <strong>the Epiphania</strong>; that is to say, <strong>the revelation, or manifestation, of the present One.</strong> This will not be a manifestation in the flesh, but in <strong>a great Time of Trouble, symbolically represented as fire,</strong> as when we read, "He shall be revealed in flaming fire, taking vengeance." -- 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10.</li></ul><p>International Bible Students Association: "Nevertheless, when viewed from God’s standpoint, we are still “shortly after” 1914.  Although Russell himself did not think <strong>the time of trouble </strong>would be this long, he did allow that it could be. <strong>It is possible that the time allotted for this period is 120 years (1914+120=2034)</strong>, but that these days will be “cut short” some time before they are allowed to reach their end. We do not put this forth as a “prophecy”, nor would we feel anything was wrong if 2034 came and went and nothing had happened as far the full binding of Satan and the destruction of his empire is concerned. All things are in God’s hands."  </p><p>We are now fast approaching the second part of the Question Of Matthew 24:3 "... and of the <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/bible-glossary/conclusion-system-of-things/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">conclusion of the system of things?</a>" </p><ul><li>The great day of Jehovah is near! It is near and it is approaching very quickly! The sound of the day of Jehovah is bitter. There a warrior cries out. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/zephaniah/1/#v36001014" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Zephaniah 1:14</a>) </li><li>In that day Jehovah will turn his attention to the army of the heights above And to the kings of the earth upon the earth. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/isaiah/24/#v23024021" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Isaiah 24:21</a>)</li><li>And they must be ready for the third day, because on the third day Jehovah will come down upon Mount Sinai before the eyes of all the people. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/exodus/19/#v2019011" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Exodus 19:11</a>)</li><li>Therefore, watch yourselves closely—since you did not see any form on the day Jehovah spoke to you in Horeb out of the middle of the fire— (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/deuteronomy/4/#v5004015" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Deuteronomy 4:15</a>) </li></ul><p>The pangs of distress upon the earth that began in 1914 do have an ending to them as in the Days of Noah. When the Last Days of Distress end, then the earthly kings will declare “Peace and security!” But which side will YOU be on in that day? </p><p>As far back as 1880 the <em>Watchtower</em> magazine declared that <a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1954881#:~:text=But%20now%2C%20how,the%20end%E2%80%9D%20began" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1914 would mark the end of the “Gentile times.” </a> Better times are head of us <strong>when </strong><a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1984483#:~:text=Does%20this%20ancient,45%2D47" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>the age of violence</strong></a><strong> is brought to its' end. </strong></p><ul><li>Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them, just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/1-thessalonians/5/#v52005003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 Thessalonians 5:3</a>)</li><li>As <a href="https://www.brorando.com/post/2034-and-its-significance" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">2034</a> comes and goes <a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/201999001?#:~:text=See%20More-,%E2%80%9CExercise%20Patience%E2%80%9D,reward%20you%20for%20your%20hard%20work.%E2%80%8B%E2%80%94Heb.%206%3A10%2D12.,-English" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Exercise Patience</a> and Do Not Look Back! Remember Lot's Wife!</li></ul>]]>
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        <title>Time of trouble was foretold to the World since 1876 by Brother Russell...</title>
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        <pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2022 21:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Biblical Studies</category>
        <dc:creator>Brother Rando</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>"As early as in the year<strong> </strong><a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1983366#:~:text=As%20early%20as%20in%20the%20year%201876%2C%20in%20an%20article%20that%20he%20submitted%20for%20publishing%20in%20The%20Bible%20Examiner%2C%20the%20president%20had%20pointed%20forward%20to%201914%20as%20the%20date%20for%20%E2%80%9Cthe%20times%20of%20the%20Gentiles%E2%80%9D%20to%20end%2C%20with%20serious%20consequences%20for%20the%20whole%20world%20of%20mankind" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>1876</strong></a>, in an article that he submitted for publishing in The Bible Examiner, the president had pointed forward to 1914 as the date for “the times of the Gentiles” to end, with serious consequences for the whole world of mankind."</p><p>Back in 1876, only a few people were listening. A good number left his Bible study group. However, has time was getting closer then more started to gain understanding. In the Bible Students Monthly, on January, 1914, Brother Russell wrote: "'The Earth Abideth Forever' Christ will not return to Earth as a Man - Present Year Believed to Mark Great Change of Dispensation, but World May not discern Immediate Difference."</p><p>"Our Lord, in describing <strong><em>His Second Presence</em></strong>, clearly indicated that it would be unnoticed by the world until the cataclysm of trouble should come. Thus He likened the earlier days of His presence to <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/genesis/6/#v1006003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">that period before the Flood</a>, when the world, unconscious of the impending catastrophe, continued to build, eat and drink as usual, and knew not. So, says the Master, it will be in the end of this Age. Eating, drinking, building, planting and marrying will proceed as usual; and the world will not know that they are in the PRESENCE of the Son of Man."</p><p>And we seen evidence of this even in 2022 on this very board. They reject and deny that the Last Days have begun. When we preach and let people know we are now at the end of this period, people scoff and ridicule us, majority of those being religious hypocrites! Denying the very Name of JEHOVAH or sat <a href="https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/idly" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">idly</a> by while apostates were slandering. </p><p>Notice he didn't write Second Coming, but rather 'Second Presence'? Brother Russell was speaking of Christ's PAROUSIA--PRESENCE. He continues, "The Bible nowhere tells that Jesus took the human nature to keep it forever, and to return with it to Heaven, where it would be completely out of order and out of place. The Bible teaches, on the contrary, that "flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God" (1 Cor 15:50); and that Jesus was made flesh merely 'that He, by the grace of God, should taste death for every man' (Heb 2:9) and that after doing this work He would "ascend up where He was before." (John 6:62) The great Day of Trouble, noted throughout the Scriptures as the Time of Trouble such as never was since there was a nation, will come upon them suddenly."</p><div>
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        <title>Understanding the Sign of the Son of Man... One the KEYS for understanding the Sign of the Son of Ma</title>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2022 01:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Biblical Studies</category>
        <dc:creator>Brother Rando</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.brorando.com/post/understanding-the-sign-of-the-son-of-man" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Understanding the Sign of the Son of Man...</a><br /></p><p>One the <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/understanding-the-bible/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">KEYS</a> for understanding the Sign of the Son of Man is that it is a <a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102001066" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Progressive</a> Sign for  ALL to SEE!  Notice <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024025-v40024031" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Jesus tells what to look for as the answer</a> to the question. “Tell us, when will these things be, and <strong>what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things?</strong>” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:3</a>)  </p><p>Since Jesus is not returning to the earth as a man, his <a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200003548" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Parousia</a> would require <a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1966041" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">a Sign for ALL to SEE and WITNESS</a>, whether they understood what they were seeing or not. Brother Russell wrote: "'<strong>The Earth Abideth Foreve</strong>r' Christ will not return to Earth as a Man - Present Year Believed to Mark Great Change of Dispensation, but World May not discern Immediate Difference." <strong>The Bible Students Monthly</strong>,<strong> January, 1914.</strong></p><p>Since Christ will not return to Earth as a Man, Brother Russell wrote: "Our Lord, in describing His Second Presence, clearly indicated that it would be unnoticed by the world until the cataclysm of trouble should come. Thus He likened the earlier days of His presence to <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/genesis/6/#v1006003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">that period before the Flood</a>, when the world, unconscious of the impending catastrophe, continued to build, eat and drink as usual, and knew not. So, says the Master, it will be in the end of this Age. Eating, drinking, building, planting and marrying will proceed as usual; and the world will not know that they are in the <strong>PRESENCE of the Son of Man.</strong>"</p><p>Notice he didn't write Second Coming, but rather 'Second Presence'?  Brother Russell was speaking of Christ's  <strong>PAROUSIA--PRESENCE.  </strong> He continues, "The Bible nowhere tells that Jesus took the human nature to keep it forever, and to return with it to Heaven, where it would be completely out of order and out of place. The Bible teaches, on the contrary, that "flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/1-corinthians/15/#v46015050" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 Cor 15:50</a>); and that Jesus was made flesh merely 'that He, by the grace of God, should taste death for every man' (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/hebrews/2/#v58002009" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Heb 2:9</a>) and that after doing this work He would "ascend up where He was before." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/john/6/#v43006062" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 6:62</a>)  The great Day of Trouble, noted throughout the Scriptures as <strong>the Time of Trouble </strong>such as never was since there was a nation, will come upon them suddenly."</p><p>Brother Russell also mentions that this time of trouble could last a certain amount of time as in the time of Noah.  Then he mentions, "Then, later on, will come <strong>the Epiphania</strong>; that is to say, <strong>the revelation, or manifestation,</strong> <strong>of the present One.</strong> This will not be a manifestation in the flesh, but in a great Time of Trouble, symbolically represented as fire, as when we read, "He shall be revealed in flaming fire, taking vengeance." -- <a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/l/r1/lp-e?q=2+Thessalonians+1%3A7-10" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">2 Thessalonians 1:7-10</a>.</p><p>Christ Jesus referred to this sign when he said: “Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, <strong>and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation</strong>, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.” (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/bc/r1/lp-e/1966041/0/0" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matt. 24:30</a>)  Thus the '<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1968126#:~:text=After%201914%2C%20however,25%2C%2028" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">age of violence</a>' was ushered in as the whole world experiences the Last Days. This age or time period will indeed come to an end. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024014" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:14</a>)</p><div>
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<p>It's Spiritual.  Jesus explains in detail what the Sign of the Son of Man is...</p><ul><li> Also, there will be signs in the sun and moon and stars, and on the earth anguish of nations not knowing the way out because of the roaring of the sea and its agitation.</li><li>People will become faint out of fear and expectation of the things coming upon the inhabited earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.</li><li>And then they will see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.</li><li>But as these things start to occur, stand up straight and lift up your heads, because your deliverance is getting near.</li></ul><p></p><p><br /></p><p>There is even more detail when we add the information from the vision in the Book of Revealtion that <a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1966041" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the Sign of the Son of Man as been unfolding ever since 1914! </a>  </p><div>
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<p>Based on Brother Russells' study of the timing of the riding of the four horsemen in <a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1983366#:~:text=As%20early%20as%20in%20the%20year%201876%2C%20in%20an%20article%20that%20he%20submitted%20for%20publishing%20in%20The%20Bible%20Examiner%2C%20the%20president%20had%20pointed%20forward%20to%201914%20as%20the%20date%20for%20%E2%80%9Cthe%20times%20of%20the%20Gentiles%E2%80%9D%20to%20end%2C%20with%20serious%20consequences%20for%20the%20whole%20world%20of%20mankind" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1876</a>, he submitted an article for publishing in <em>The Bible Examiner,</em> which had pointed forward to 1914 as the date for “the times of the Gentiles” to end, <strong>with serious consequences for the whole world of mankind. </strong></p><ul><li>Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, <strong>and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation</strong>, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/bc/r1/lp-e/1966041/0/0" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matt. 24:30</a>) </li><li>Look! He is coming with the clouds, <strong>and every eye will SEE him</strong>, and those who pierced him; <strong>and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief</strong> because of him. Yes, Amen. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/1/#v66001007" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 1:7</a>) This prophecy includes the anointed would also be affected.</li><li>Once the Last Days come to their end which is <em>a timed event,</em> Jesus will terminate the ride of the other three horsemen but even <em>reverse </em>the effects of their destructive ride. For more information, please read about <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-no3-2017-may/who-are-the-four-horsemen/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the four horsemen and what they do.</a> </li></ul><p><br /></p><p>Better times lay ahead, but not for everybody!  Since the Sign of the Son of Man is a Progressive Prophecy manifesting since 1914 for ALL to SEE, <strong>all the tribes of the earth are now lamenting in grief.  </strong>Second Peter Chapter three, describes in detail, the timing of Jehovah's Day.  It is a short transition period that will bring an end to this '<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1968126" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">age of violence</a>' then quietly ushers in the Great Crowd whom are personally invited by Jesus Christ with <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/jw-meeting-workbook/june-2017-mwb/meeting-schedule-june26-july2/will-you-be-marked-for-survival/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the marking of suvivorship</a>. Soon, Satan's Dying World will be forced to see this<strong> revealing phenomenon of the Sign of the Son of Man</strong> and it will prove too much for Satan's Entire Political System of things! Therefore, it is said: “<strong>Awake</strong>, O sleeper, and arise from the dead, and the Christ will shine upon you.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/ephesians/5/#v49005014" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Ephesians 5:14</a>)  </p><p><br /></p><div>
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        <title>2034 and its significance...</title>
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        <pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2022 00:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Biblical Studies</category>
        <dc:creator>Brother Rando</dc:creator>
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</div><p>2034 has a dual significance of several Bible Prophecies that will begin to unfold in the near future.  One of those prophecies are in response to the '<strong>short period of time'</strong> Satan has, known as the Last Days.  "Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing that he has <strong>a short period of time.</strong>" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/12/#v66012012" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 12:12</a>)  2034 doesn't represent the beginning of this period but rather <strong>the end of it.  </strong></p><p><a href="https://www.brorando.com/post/the-last-days-when" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">The Last Days</a> would come to a close as the allotted time is exhausted giving a full witness to the earth's inhabitants. "And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then<strong> the end will come.</strong>" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024014" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:14</a>)  </p><p>That End is not the end of the world, but rather <strong>the End of an Age of Wickedness.   </strong>An Explanation from The Watchtower Magazine, December 15, 2003, Pages 14 - 19 entitled <strong> "</strong><a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2003923?q=Warned+of+%E2%80%9CThings+Not+Yet+Beheld%E2%80%9D&amp;p=par" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>Warned of “Things Not Yet Beheld”</strong></a><strong>  </strong> The issuance of this divine decree in 2490 B.C.E. marked the beginning of the end for that ungodly world. Just think what that meant for those then living! <strong>Only 120 years more </strong>and Jehovah would bring “the deluge of waters upon the earth to bring to ruin all flesh.  What about us? Some 90 years have passed <strong>since the last days of this system of things began in 1914.</strong> We are certainly in “the time of the end.” (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/bc/r1/lp-e/2003923/11/0" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Daniel 12:4</a>)  </p><p>The short period of time would not be an exhaustive amount of time that would seem to go on and on and on.  The Scriptures point out that Satan recognizes that this allotment of time to be <strong>a short period of time.  </strong>2034 would not only represent <strong>the end</strong> of Satan's Wicked Rule, but would also mark Christ Millennial Reign poised to begin.  Therefore, it makes sense that <a href="https://www.brorando.com/post/the-sealing-of-the-144-000" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the Sealing of the 144,000</a> would be completed prior to the end of the Last Days in 2034.</p><p>2034 is not an end all date, by this time Satan and his demons will have gathered the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/16/#v66016014" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 16:14</a>)  A host of other prophecies begin to emerge.  For instance, the separation work of the sheep and goats begin.  Jesus would grant Life to <a href="https://www.brorando.com/post/the-great-crowd-soon-to-appear" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the Great Crowd</a> of whom he chooses as his sheep.  They would be marked to be Survivors during <a href="https://www.brorando.com/post/the-great-tribulation-or-a-tribulation" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the short respite period of peace</a>.  </p><p>They simply continue living during the condition or situation of Armageddon that forms at (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/psalms/2/#v19002002" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Psalms 2:2</a>)  and (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/1-thessalonians/5/#v52005003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 Thessalonians 5:3</a>) and become Survivors of <a href="https://www.brorando.com/post/the-last-days-when" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the Last Days</a>.</p>]]>
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        <pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2021 06:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Brother Rando</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<h5><a href="https://www.brorando.com/post/the-faithful-and-discreet-slave" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>The Faithful and Discreet Slave...</strong></a></h5><p>In response to the apostles questions concerning Jesus Christ's future and second presence during the conclusion of the system of things, Jesus Christ gave an illustration, dealing with a “faithful and discreet slave.”  The master would appoint his steward over his household servants also known as his domestics, heavenly and earthly.  </p><p>Since <strong>the full limit of the appointed times</strong> was yet in the future and is still in progress, we can now apply that administration to the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, also known as the Faithful and Discreet Slave.  We now know through the manifestation of prophecies that <strong>the full limit of the appointed times </strong>is coming to its conclusion.  </p><p>Let's take a closer look at how this is unfolding in our day:  <em>"He will revive us after two days</em>. <strong>On the third day he will raise us up, And we will live before him. </strong> We will know, we will earnestly seek to know Jehovah. His going out is as certain as the dawn; He will come to us like a pouring rain, Like a spring rain that saturates the earth." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/hosea/6/#v28006002" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Hosea 6:2-3</a>) </p><p>Just as Jesus Christ was raised up on the third day <em>in the beginning</em> of that third day, 'the dawn' -- we can be in great anticipation of our dear brothers to be summoned to heaven.  Notice <em>the timing </em>from this verse:   "However, do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that <strong>one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.</strong>" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/2-peter/3/#v61003008" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">2 Peter 3:8</a>) </p><p>Can we apply (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/hosea/6/#v28006002" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Hosea 6:2-3</a>) and (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/2-peter/3/#v61003008" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">2 Peter 3:8</a>)  to <em>the full limit of the appointed times?  </em><strong>Absolutely!  </strong>It's a prophecy that has been unfolding for almost 2,000 years now. This prophecy has a beginning and an end.  It's beginning was 33 CE on Pentecost and will come to its conclusion in 2033 CE.  This is in reference to the sealing event.  Not all anointed ones are in heaven yet.  Read this scripture again:  "<em>He will revive us after two days</em>. <strong>On the third day he will raise us up, And we will live before him. </strong> We will know, we will earnestly seek to know Jehovah. His going out is as certain as the dawn; He will come to us like a pouring rain, Like a spring rain that saturates the earth." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/hosea/6/#v28006002" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Hosea 6:2-3</a>)  </p><p>Yet, there was another manifestation of prophecy that Brother Charles Russell pointed to in regards to the <strong>End of the Gentile times</strong> that would usher in the Last Days known as the <strong>time of trouble.</strong>  It also has a beginning and an end:  </p><p>In the first part of 1914, the Bible Students known as International Bible Students Association discussed the <strong>“time of trouble”</strong> on the printed page called The Bible Students Monthly.</p><p>Early in 1914, an issue of The Bible Students Monthly was issued with the large bold heading “END OF WORLD IN 1914? Some have quoted the large headline of this tract as proof that Russell was expecting the “end of the world” in 1914. </p><p>However, such neglect the subheading under the larger headline, which states: “<strong>NOT THE VIEW OF PASTOR RUSSELL NOR OF I.B.S.A.</strong>” </p><ul><li>International Bible Students Association: "Nevertheless, when viewed from God’s standpoint, we are still “shortly after” 1914. Although Russell himself did not think the time of trouble would be this long, he did allow that it could be. <strong>It is possible that the time allotted for this period is 120 years (1914+120=2034)</strong>, but that these days will be “cut short” some time before they are allowed to reach their end. We do not put this forth as a “prophecy”, nor would we feel anything was wrong if 2034 came and went and nothing had happened as far the full binding of Satan and the destruction of his empire is concerned. All things are in God’s hands."  </li></ul><p>Since Jehovah God is the Almighty God  of order, he often uses 'patterns'.  Patterns that are duplicated and used so things can take place decently and by arrangement. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/1-corinthians/14/#v46014040" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 Corinthians 14:40</a>)  The 120 years is a pattern that was used in (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/genesis/6/#v1006003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Genesis 6:3</a>).  Brother Russell was part of the administration the Apostle Paul was speaking about.  He may have been the last member of that administration before the appearance of the Faithful and Discreet Slave in 1919.  Since he fell asleep in death on October of 1916.  It's possible that Brother Charles Russell was the first to be resurrected from death instantaneously, since the flashes of spiritual insight has be flashing brightly ever since from heaven to the earthly slave.  (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/7/#v66007013" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 7:13-14</a>)</p><p>If the sealing process ends in 2033 will partaking continue?  Those sealed will still be here in the flesh just a little longer.  We really need to cherish our dear brothers and pray for them.  Do the scriptures give us any evidence how long the FDS remains?  It does.  Even if it is dissolved, it stands to reason some sort of administration will remain and that the helpers of spiritually mature men will progress.  2034 will come and go just as 1914 did... but don't lose nfaith.  If we add 120 years to 1919, we come up with the year 2039 of the remaining ones that are heavenbound.  All things are in Jehovah's hands, not ours, keep walking by faith and not by sight.  Remember, the a separation work of the earthly sheep will be in the process of coming to its end as our dear brothers are summoned to heaven and those ones come out of the great tribulation as survivors.  (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/7/#v66007014" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 7:14</a>)</p><p><br /></p><p><strong>A note of encouragement:  </strong></p><p>When the Apostle Paul began to enter his <strong><em>final sealing,</em></strong> he knew it. "<strong>I have fought</strong> <strong>the</strong> <strong>fine fight</strong>, <strong>I</strong> <strong>have</strong> run the race to the finish, <strong>I</strong> <strong>have</strong> observed the faith." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/2-timothy/4/#v55004007" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">2 Timothy 4:7</a>)  So as 2033, 2034, and 2039 comes and goes and you haven't received your final sealing, not all is lost.  Stay faithful my friends... if you are 70 or 80 now, and you become 90 or 100 in 2039,  Jehovah is using <strong>you</strong> to reveal <a href="https://www.brorando.com/post/what-is-the-sign-of-the-son-of-man" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the sign of the Son of Man.</a>  Jehovah loves You very much and will not forget the love you showed for his Name... (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/hebrews/6/#v58006010" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Hebrews 6:10</a>)</p>]]>
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        <pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2021 17:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Apologetics</category>
        <dc:creator>Brother Rando</dc:creator>
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<p>After Jesus Christ summoned his 12 disciples and giving them authority to cure every sort of disease and every sort of infirmity, he revealed to them, "<strong>Do not think I came to bring peace to the earth; I came to bring, not peace, but a sword.</strong>" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/10/#v40010034" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 10:34</a>)</p><p>As distressing as pestilences are, they are part of the <a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2005721" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Composite Sign </a>of Jesus Christ Presence in Kingdom Glory.  (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/bl/r1/lp-e?q=Luke%2021%3A10%2C%C2%A011" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Luke 21:10-11</a>)  So the pummeling of pestilences we SEE today, affect everyone living on the earth "Look! He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, and those who pierced him; and <em>all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief </em>because of him. Yes, Amen." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/1/#v66001007" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 1:7</a>) </p><p>Pestilences were often used in the past to execute divine judgment.  However, as the Last Days conclude to their end, the Pestilences and Plagues will no longer be directed against all the tribes of the earth.<em>  </em>Soon, the pestilences will only affect those who refuse to know Jehovah God and are disobedient to the good news of Jesus Christ. "This takes into account that it is righteous on <strong>God’s</strong> <strong>part</strong> to repay tribulation to those who make tribulation for you." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/2-thessalonians/1/#v53001006" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">2 Thessalonians 1:6</a>) </p><p>This is <em>Really </em>Good News for the obedient and the faithful in rejoicing, for Jesus adds the words: “But as these things start to occur, raise yourselves erect and lift your heads up, because your deliverance is getting near.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/luke/21/#v42021028" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Luke 21:28</a>)  </p><p>As new pestilence and plagues become a common place in this last hour of this system of things, Jehovah Witnesses look forward to the end of Satan's System of things.  These viruses are severely contagious which affect how we conduct our Bible Studies, the preaching work, and even Baptizing New Christian Believers. Such adjustments are welcomed and we look forward to <a href="https://www.brorando.com/post/paradise-will-it-come" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">a Bright Future</a> as this gloomy system of things come to its end. For those on the outside of our inner rooms, the wicked will soon be swallwwed up by the second death as they start dying off. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/22/#v66022015" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 22:15</a>) </p><p>The removal of the wicked will be <strong>a day of relief </strong>for those who have the work of bearing witness of Jehovah and his Anointed One Jesus Christ. Therefore, as the last Days come to their end, there will be no need to witness to those dying off. Those who have God's Name on them will keep on living into Christ's Millinieal Reign where they will find exquisite delight. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/psalms/37/#v19037010-v19037011" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Pslams 37:10-11</a>)</p><p><br /></p><p><strong>Articles that may be of interest to you:</strong></p><p>What Is the Sign of “<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/end-times-prophecy-sign/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the Last Days,” or “End Times</a>”?</p><ul><li>“The End”​—<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/wp20150501/what-does-the-end-mean/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">What Does it Mean</a>?</li><li>A Book of Accurate Prophecy—<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/g201210/the-last-days/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Part 6</a></li><li>Many Will Survive the End​—<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/wp20150501/how-to-survive-the-end/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">You Can Too</a></li><li>Protect Yourself <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/awake-no6-2016-december/protect-yourself-from-disease/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">From Disease</a></li><li>Jesus Saves​—<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/jesus-saves/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">How</a>?</li></ul><p><br /></p>]]>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2021 03:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Brother Rando</dc:creator>
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<p>"And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then <strong>the end will come.</strong>" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024014" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:14</a>) The Bible does point to conditions and a timetable to expect when such prophecies will be fulfilled. Therefore, <em>a certain amount of time would be needed to pass</em> in order for the end to be brought forth. Notice the following verses as it pertains to time.</p><p>"He will revive us after <strong>two days. On the third day he will raise us up,</strong> And we will live before him. We will know, we will earnestly seek to know Jehovah. His going out is as certain as the dawn; He will come to us like a pouring rain, Like a spring rain that saturates the earth." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/hosea/6/#v28006002" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Hosea 6:2-3</a>) We see the timetable is two days. "However, do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/2-peter/3/#v61003008" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">2 Peter 3:8</a>)</p><p>This <strong>Bible Principle</strong> is the Key to gain the understanding of where we are according to the time of the end. "Many will cleanse themselves and whiten themselves and will be refined. And the wicked ones will act wickedly, and none of the wicked will understand; but those having insight will understand." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/daniel/12/#v27012010" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Daniel 12:10</a>)</p><p>One can reason on the timing of the end by applying the Bible Principle found at (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/2-peter/3/#v61003008" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">2 Peter 3:8</a>) to other scriptures. For instance, “Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, <strong>until after we have sealed the slaves of our God in their foreheads.</strong>” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/7/#v66007003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 7:3</a>) When did this sealing event begin? On Pentecost 33 CE with the outpouring of Holy Spirit. We can expect this sealing process to be completed by the second day of 2033 CE. This would suggest that the preaching work and the partaking of the emblems would soon come to their end since the sealing is '<em>a timed event'.</em> This sets us up for <a href="https://www.brorando.com/post/2034-and-its-significance" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the third day </a>to begin, does it not?</p><p>Jesus replied to them: “Tear down this temple, and <strong>in three days I will raise it up.</strong>” As shown at <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/john/2/#v43002021" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Joh 2:21</a>, Jesus was using figurative speech; he was comparing his anticipated death and resurrection to the demolition and reconstruction of the temple. Although Jesus said: “<strong>I will raise it up</strong>,” the Scriptures clearly show that it was God who resurrected him. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/acts/10/#v44010040" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Ac 10:40; Ro 8:11; Heb 13:20</a>) So what body was Jesus speaking about? "But he was talking about <strong>the temple of his body</strong>." <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/john/2/#v43002021" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">(John 2:21</a>)</p><p>The temple of his body is the '<a href="https://www.brorando.com/post/the-sealing-of-the-144-000-is-at-hand" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Body of Christ</a>' which is a composite body that is made up of 144,000 body members who rule as kings and priests. "Happy and holy is anyone having part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and they will rule as kings with him for the 1,000 years." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/20/#v66020006" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 20:6</a>)</p><ul><li>"<strong>Now you are Christ’s body, </strong>and each of you individually is a member." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/1-corinthians/12/#v46012027" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 Cor 12:27</a>)</li><li>"Do you not know that <strong>you yourselves are God’s temple</strong> and that the spirit of God dwells in you? (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/1-corinthians/3/#v46003016" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 Corinthians 3:16</a>)</li></ul><p><a href="https://www.brorando.com/post/the-time-left-is-reduced" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Read more...</a></p>]]>
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        <pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2021 00:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Biblical Studies</category>
        <dc:creator>Brother Rando</dc:creator>
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<p>Preaching the Good News of God's Kingdom in Satan's World often brings a hostile and violent reaction from the unfaithful and lawless one. If this is how they react when the Good News of God's Kingdom is declared, how do you think they will react to <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/2-thessalonians/1/#v53001006-v53001009" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>the final message of divine destruction</strong></a> is delivered? Soon, those who reject the Good News will have no recourse.</p><p>As the <a href="https://www.brorando.com/post/the-last-days-when" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Last Days</a> come to their End you can apply the following scripture, "Let the one who is unrighteous continue in unrighteousness, and let the filthy one continue in his filth; but let the righteous one continue in righteousness, and let the holy one continue in holiness." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/22/#v66022011" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 22:11</a>) With this <em>timed revelation,</em> the good news will no longer be offered but rather 'a turning away from ungodly mankind'. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/2-timothy/3/#v55003005" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">2 Timothy 3:5</a>) Therefore, those who have been <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024039-v40024041" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>abandoned</strong></a> will be dying the second death in the same manner as Adam and Eve.</p><p>The Fulfillment of Prophecies are 'a timed event' and so there is no need for me to persuade or convince the reader if they have not yet gained '<strong>Spiritual Insight</strong>' at this late stage of Satan's System of things. The scriptures are clear about the time of the end. "Many will cleanse themselves and whiten themselves and will be refined. And the wicked ones will act wickedly, and <strong>none of the wicked will understand</strong>; but those having insight will understand." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/daniel/12/#v27012010" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Daniel 12:10</a>)</p><p><a href="https://www.brorando.com/post/the-good-news-of-god-s-kingdom" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Read more...</a></p>]]>
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