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        <title>God's Name Found in the Greek Scriptures under θεόν (theon).</title>
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<p>Imagine opening the Bible, and of all sudden, like a bolt of lightning, being instantly stuck with the Manifestation of God's Holy Name in the New Testament!</p><p>The Greek language contains two Greek titles for God.  The first title is <strong>θεόν </strong>(theon) and it refers to 'the God" as Supreme One or Self-Existent One. The second Greek title <strong>θεός </strong>(theos) can apply to God, a god, or gods and is shared with many. But <strong>θεόν </strong>(theon) refers to only to the True God as in (John 17:3).  <strong>θεόν </strong>(theon) is a superlative title given to Jehovah alone. </p><p>According to the Gesenius' Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon. It mentions that later Hebrews, for some centuries before the time of Christ, either Misled by False Interpretation of certain laws, or else following some old superstition. Then goes on to tell us, that every time the later Hebrews came upon the Name of God, they substituted Lord. They also pointed out that <strong>θεόν </strong>was in reference to God's Name.  </p><div>
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<p>So let's try to insert our newly found information and see if it holds true. </p><ul><li>"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Jehovah, and the Word was a god."(John 1:1)</li><li>No man has seen Jehovah at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him. (John 1:18)</li></ul><p>Here are a few notable scriptures with the superlative title <strong>θεόν </strong>(theon) :</p><p><a href="https://biblehub.com/text/john/14-1.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>John 14:1</strong></a><strong> </strong><a href="https://biblehub.com/abbrev.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>N-AMS</strong></a></p><p><a href="https://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/14.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">GRK:</a> εἰς τὸν <strong>θεόν</strong> καὶ εἰς</p><p><a href="https://biblehub.com/nas/john/14.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">NAS:</a> believe <em>in God,</em> believe</p><p><a href="https://biblehub.com/kjvs/john/14.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">KJV:</a> ye believe in <em>God,</em> believe also</p><p><a href="https://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/14-1.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">INT:</a> on <em>God</em> also on</p><p><a href="https://biblehub.com/text/john/17-3.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>John 17:3</strong></a><strong> </strong><a href="https://biblehub.com/abbrev.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>N-AMS</strong></a></p><p><a href="https://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/17.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">GRK:</a> μόνον ἀληθινὸν <strong>θεὸν</strong> καὶ ὃν</p><p><a href="https://biblehub.com/nas/john/17.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">NAS:</a> true <em>God,</em> and Jesus</p><p><a href="https://biblehub.com/kjvs/john/17.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">KJV:</a> the only true <em>God,</em> and Jesus</p><p><a href="https://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/17-3.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">INT:</a> only true <em>God</em> and whom</p><p><a href="https://biblehub.com/text/john/20-17.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>John 20:17</strong></a><strong> </strong><a href="https://biblehub.com/abbrev.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>N-AMS</strong></a></p><p><a href="https://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/20.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">GRK:</a> ὑμῶν καὶ <strong>θεόν</strong> μου καὶ</p><p><a href="https://biblehub.com/nas/john/20.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">NAS:</a> and your Father, <em>and My God</em> and your God.'</p><p><a href="https://biblehub.com/kjvs/john/20.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">KJV:</a> and [to] my <em>God,</em> and your</p><p><a href="https://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/20-17.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">INT:</a> of you and <em>God</em> of me and</p><p><br /></p><p>Inserting God's Name doesn't flow smoothly in all 148 Greek occurrences. For example, in John 17:3 inserting the meaning of the title <strong>θεόν </strong>(theon) not only fits, but gives deeper understanding.</p><ul><li>This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true Supreme One, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.</li><li>This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true Self-Existent One, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.</li></ul><p>Then again, the quote from Jesus Christ invoking the title <strong>θεόν </strong>in (John 14:1)</p><ul><li>Do not let your hearts be troubled. Exercise faith in Jehovah; exercise faith also in me.</li></ul><p><br /></p>]]>
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        <title>Scriptures that trinitarians Don't Want You to Know About - #6</title>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2023 16:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>After these <em>things</em> I heard <em>something</em> like the loud sound of a great crowd in heaven saying, “<strong>Hallelujah! </strong>Salvation and glory and power belong to our God," (Rev 19:1 LEB)</p><ul><li>Trinitarians falsely proclaim that God has No Name</li><li>Trinitarians falsely proclaim that God's Name cannot be found in the Greek or NT</li><li>Jesus' Name when translated means 'Jehovah is Our Righteousness'</li><li>John's Name when translated means 'Jehovah has been Gracious'</li><li>Matthew's Name when translated means "Gift of Jehovah'</li></ul><div>
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<p><br /></p><p>So they are many Names that Have Jehovah in them in the Greek! Jesus - John - Matthew - to list a few. </p><p><strong>The divine name appears in its abbreviated form in the </strong><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/appendix-a/divine-name-christian-greek-scriptures/#:~:text=The%20divine%20name%20appears,means%20%E2%80%9CJehovah%20Is%20Salvation.%E2%80%9D" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>Christian Greek Scriptures</strong></a><strong>.</strong> At <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/19/#v66019001" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Revelation 19:1, 3, 4, 6</a>, the divine name is embedded in the word “Hallelujah.” This comes from a Hebrew expression that literally means “Praise Jah.” “Jah” is a contraction of the name Jehovah. Many names used in the Christian Greek Scriptures were derived from the divine name. In fact, reference works explain that Jesus’ own name means “Jehovah Is Salvation.”</p>]]>
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        <title>Would you like to know the truth?</title>
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        <pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2023 15:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>For almost two thousand years, false religion have kept 'the truth' hidden from the many and now are losing their battle against the Lamb! True Christians are on the march in this dark world, allowing 'the truth' to shine forth. Jesus Christ shared with his followers, "People light a lamp and set it, not under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it shines on all those in the house." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/5/#v40005015" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 5:15</a>) </p><p>Christendom's Bible Scholars are among the most dishonest individuals on earth. They have been hiding 'the truth' from the many and now since the light is exposing them, they run to the mountains begging, "Fall over us and hide u<strong>s</strong> from the face of the One seated on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb," (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/6/#v66006016" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 6:16</a>)</p><p>There are Superlative titles that apply to the one true God Jehovah and <strong>Jehovah alone. </strong></p><ul><li>Adonay</li><li>Theon</li></ul><p>Adonay in Hebrew Script is spelled <strong>אֲדֹנָי</strong> and was used in replacing <strong>יהוה</strong> the four Hebrew letters usually transliterated YHWH or JHVH that form the Biblical Proper Name of God.  Yahweh or <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Jehovah</a>.  The title Adonay has Superlative meaning and which it only applies to the Supreme One or Self-Existent One.  Jehovah alone is most high and there is no other.  </p><ul><li>May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/psalms/83/#v19083018" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Psalms 83:18</a>) </li><li>You are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah, “Yes, my servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and have faith in me And understand that I am the same One. Before me no God was formed, And after me there has been none. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/isaiah/43/#v23043010" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Isaiah 43:10</a>)</li></ul><p>Adonay and Aăḏōwn spelled <strong>אֲד֖וֹן </strong>were used but then watered down by trinitarian translators using non-superlative titles such as <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God_in_Judaism#Adonai" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Adonai</a> ("My Lord") or <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Elohim</a> (literally means 'gods' but treated as singular when meaning "God") in prayer, or<strong> </strong><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God_in_Judaism#HaShem" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">HaShem</a> ("The Name") in everyday speech.  A popular expression containing this phrase is <em>Baruch HaShem</em>, meaning "Thank <a href="https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jehovah" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">God</a>" (literally meaning "<em>Blessed or Praised be the Name</em>") as in "<strong>Praised be the God and Father</strong> of our Lord Jesus Christ, for according to his great mercy he gave us a new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,"  (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/1-peter/1/#:~:text=Praised%20be%20the%20God%20and%20Father" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 Peter 1:3</a>) <em>Adonai </em>and <em>Elohim</em> are non-superlative titles and often applied to angels and men and are not exclusive. Moses himself was called <em>elohim or the Greek term theos</em>.</p><p>The Greek term (theon) spelled θεόν is also a Superlative title referring to the one true God Jehovah and <strong>Jehovah alone. </strong>It occurs 148 times in the NT Greek Scriptures.  When finding θεόν in a Greek scripture, one can replace it with Jehovah for a deeper understanding of God's Word. </p><ul><li>"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Jehovah, and the Word was a god."(John 1:1)</li><li>No man has seen Jehovah at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him. (John 1:18)</li></ul><p>Many other scriptures you can look up yourself if you would like to. Here's another example:</p><p>Englishman's Concordance</p><p><strong>θεόν (theon) — 148 Occurrences</strong></p><p><a href="https://biblehub.com/text/matthew/4-7.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>Matthew 4:7</strong></a><strong> </strong><a href="https://biblehub.com/abbrev.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>N-AMS</strong></a></p><p><a href="https://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/4.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">GRK:</a> Κύριον τὸν <strong>θεόν</strong> σου</p><p><a href="https://biblehub.com/nas/matthew/4.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">NAS:</a> THE LORD <em>YOUR GOD</em> TO THE TEST.'</p><ul><li>Jesus said to him: “<strong>Again it is written:</strong> ‘You must not put <strong>Jehovah your God to the test.</strong> (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/4/#v40004007" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Mathew 4:7</a>)  Notice Jesus quotes the Hebrew OT with God's Name in it which under inspiration states “You must not put <strong>Jehovah your God to the test </strong>the way you put him to the test at Massah." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/deuteronomy/6/#v5006016" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Deuteronomy 6:16</a>) Also, another reference to God's Name in Greek Scriptures is @ <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/luke/4/#v42004012" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Lu 4:12.</a> </li></ul><p>The second Greek word for God is (theos) spelled <strong>θεός </strong>in Greek. This title is non-superlative and can be applied to Jehovah, Jesus Christ, angels, men, and idols alike.  In prayer, Jesus invokes the Superlative title <strong>θεόν (theon) </strong>to his Father by stating, "You, the only true God" at  (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/int/43/17#s=3&amp;study=discover" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 17:3</a>)  Jesus Christ is never referred to <strong>θεόν (theon).  </strong>Therefore, when Jesus Christ stated, "the Father is Greater than I am" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/john/14/#v43014028" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 14:28</a>) Jesus was stating an absolute truth. </p><p>I hope this Biblical Information helps you to break free from amongst the false religions that has entangled humankind with such hatred against one another.  Religion will soon be Destroyed.  And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “<strong>Get out of her, my people, </strong>if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of <strong>her</strong> plagues." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/18/#v66018004" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 18:4</a>)</p><p>This is Your RSVP invitation to learn the peace of mind you so richly deserve in this God Forsaken World.  The term "<strong>RSVP</strong>" comes from the French expression répondez s'il vous plaît, meaning "please respond." Once, you learn 'the truth' freedom is at your front door! "So if the Son sets you free, you will be truly free." 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        <title>Scriptures that trinitarians Don't Want You to Know About - #1</title>
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        <pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2022 00:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Brother Rando</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>Did Jesus Christ create himself or was he begotten by someone else who existed Before him??</p><ul><li>For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/john/3/#v43003016" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 3:16</a>)</li></ul>]]>
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        <title>Scriptures that trinitarians Don't Want You to Know About - #3</title>
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        <pubDate>Fri, 16 Jun 2023 03:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>“And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and <strong>death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them:</strong> and <strong>they were judged every man according to their works.</strong>” (<a href="https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-20-13/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 20:13</a>)</p><p>My Story</p><p><a href="https://jehovahwitnessqhub.wordpress.com/2017/08/09/what-is-it-like-to-die/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">What is it like to die?</a></p><p>I first learned about death through a Bible Study. <strong>After learning the truth about death and that death is the last enemy that will be conquered,</strong> I wanted to learn more. Here’s a few scriptures that may give you some Relief and Comfort.</p><p>“For the living know that they will die, but <strong>the dead know nothing at all</strong>, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/ecclesiastes/9/#v21009005" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Ecclesiastes 9:5</a>)</p><p><strong>My Catholic upbringing always taught me that hell was an eternal place of torment and inescapable.</strong> This religious teaching never sat well with me. I could never figure out why the God of Love would do such a thing.</p><p>Then at my Bible Study, I came across this scripture, “hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.” (<a href="https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-20-13/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 20:13</a>) This blew my mind because it connected the dots for me.<strong> See, the priests would take money from the parishioners to pray for their dead loved ones, telling us this might get them out of hell.</strong> All the while, preaching that hell is ETERNAL. Did they know something I didn’t, I wondered? This was nothing but a ponzi scheme.</p><p>Other scriptures that gave me Relief and Comfort is the good news about the Resurrection. “And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that <strong>there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous</strong>.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/acts/24/#v44024015" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Acts 24:15</a>) I was elated to learn this about my loved ones that have passed in death.</p><p>Then Jesus Christ told his followers, “Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/john/5/#v43005028" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 5:28</a>)</p>]]>
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        <title>Another Scripture that awaits to be seen in the light... (Isaiah 9:6)</title>
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        <dc:creator>Brother Rando</dc:creator>
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<p>For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is upon his shoulder: and his name is called the Angel of Great Counsel: for I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him. (Isaiah 9:6)  This scripture easily links to (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/proverbs/8/#v20008035-v20008036" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Proverbs 8:35-36</a>) &amp; (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/judges/13/#v7013018" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Judges 13:18</a>)</p><p>His government shall be great, and of his peace there is no end: upon the throne of David, and his kingdom, to establish it, and to support with judgment and with righteousness, from henceforth and forever. The seal of Jehovah of hosts shall perform this. (Isaiah 9:7)</p><p>Another rendition from the period of the second century, we see "ὅτι παιδίον ἐγενήθη ἡμῖν, υἱὸς καὶ ἐδόθη ἡμῖν, οὗ ἡ ἀρχὴ ἐγεννήθη ἐπὶ τοῦ ὤμου αὐτοῦ, καὶ καλεῖται τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ Μεγάλης βουλῆς <strong>ἄγγελoς</strong>, &lt; θαυμαστὸς σύμβουλος, Θεὸς ἰσχυρός, ἐξουσιαστής, ἄρχων εἰρήνης, πατὴρ τοῦ μέλλοντος αἰῶνος· &gt;*: ἐγὼ γὰρ ἄξω εἰρήνην ἐπὶ τοὺς ἄρχοντας, εἰρήνην καὶ ὑγίειαν" (<a href="https://www.ellopos.net/elpenor/greek-texts/septuagint/chapter.asp?book=43&amp;page=9#:~:text=%E1%BD%85%CF%84%CE%B9%20%CF%80%CE%B1%CE%B9%CE%B4%E1%BD%B7%CE%BF%CE%BD%20%E1%BC%90%CE%B3%CE%B5%CE%BD%E1%BD%B5%CE%B8%CE%B7%20%E1%BC%A1%CE%BC%E1%BF%96%CE%BD%2C%20%CF%85%E1%BC%B1%E1%BD%B8%CF%82%20%CE%BA%CE%B1%E1%BD%B6%20%E1%BC%90%CE%B4%E1%BD%B9%CE%B8%CE%B7%20%E1%BC%A1%CE%BC%E1%BF%96%CE%BD%2C%20%CE%BF%E1%BD%97%20%E1%BC%A1%20%E1%BC%80%CF%81%CF%87%E1%BD%B4%20%E1%BC%90%CE%B3%CE%B5%CE%BD%CE%BD%E1%BD%B5%CE%B8%CE%B7%20%E1%BC%90%CF%80%E1%BD%B6%20%CF%84%CE%BF%E1%BF%A6%20%E1%BD%A4%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%85%20%CE%B1%E1%BD%90%CF%84%CE%BF%E1%BF%A6%2C%20%CE%BA%CE%B1%E1%BD%B6%20%CE%BA%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%B5%E1%BF%96%CF%84%CE%B1%CE%B9%20%CF%84%E1%BD%B8%20%E1%BD%84%CE%BD%CE%BF%CE%BC%CE%B1%20%CE%B1%E1%BD%90%CF%84%CE%BF%E1%BF%A6%20%CE%9C%CE%B5%CE%B3%E1%BD%B1%CE%BB%CE%B7%CF%82%20%CE%B2%CE%BF%CF%85%CE%BB%E1%BF%86%CF%82%20%E1%BC%84%CE%B3%CE%B3%CE%B5%CE%BBo%CF%82%2C%20%3C%20%CE%B8%CE%B1%CF%85%CE%BC%CE%B1%CF%83%CF%84%E1%BD%B8%CF%82%20%CF%83%E1%BD%BB%CE%BC%CE%B2%CE%BF%CF%85%CE%BB%CE%BF%CF%82%2C%20%CE%98%CE%B5%E1%BD%B8%CF%82%20%E1%BC%B0%CF%83%CF%87%CF%85%CF%81%E1%BD%B9%CF%82%2C%20%E1%BC%90%CE%BE%CE%BF%CF%85%CF%83%CE%B9%CE%B1%CF%83%CF%84%E1%BD%B5%CF%82%2C%20%E1%BC%84%CF%81%CF%87%CF%89%CE%BD%20%CE%B5%E1%BC%B0%CF%81%E1%BD%B5%CE%BD%CE%B7%CF%82%2C%20%CF%80%CE%B1%CF%84%E1%BD%B4%CF%81%20%CF%84%CE%BF%E1%BF%A6%20%CE%BC%E1%BD%B3%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%BD%CF%84%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%B1%E1%BC%B0%E1%BF%B6%CE%BD%CE%BF%CF%82%CE%87%20%3E*%3A%20%E1%BC%90%CE%B3%E1%BD%BC%20%CE%B3%E1%BD%B0%CF%81%20%E1%BC%84%CE%BE%CF%89%20%CE%B5%E1%BC%B0%CF%81%E1%BD%B5%CE%BD%CE%B7%CE%BD%20%E1%BC%90%CF%80%E1%BD%B6%20%CF%84%CE%BF%E1%BD%BA%CF%82%20%E1%BC%84%CF%81%CF%87%CE%BF%CE%BD%CF%84%CE%B1%CF%82%2C%20%CE%B5%E1%BC%B0%CF%81%E1%BD%B5%CE%BD%CE%B7%CE%BD%20%CE%BA%CE%B1%E1%BD%B6%20%E1%BD%91%CE%B3%E1%BD%B7%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%CE%BD%20%CE%B1%E1%BD%90%CF%84%E1%BF%B7" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Isaiah 9:6</a>)  Some translators remove Angel and inserted Messenger to hide the identity of the person being sent in Isaiah 9:6  ἄγγελoς - ángelos - angel - <a href="https://translate.google.com/?sl=auto&amp;tl=en&amp;text=%E1%BC%84%CE%B3%CE%B3%CE%B5%CE%BBo%CF%82&amp;op=translate" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">See translation</a>.</p><p>When translated reads, "for unto us a child was born, a son, and was given unto us, to whom the head was born upon his shoulder, and his name is called Angel of great counsel, &lt; wonderful counsellor, mighty God, ruler, prince of peace, father of the ages to come; &gt;*: for I Peace be upon the princes, peace and health"</p><p>Notice &lt; wonderful counsellor, mighty God, ruler, prince of peace, father of the ages to come; &gt;* seems to be an addition because without it, the scripture seems to carry on the one thought:</p><ul><li>"for unto us a child was born, a son, and was given unto us, to whom the head was born upon his shoulder, and his name is called Angel of great counsel,  for I Peace be upon the princes, peace and health" and as you can SEE the real scripture begins to emerge as:</li><li>For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is upon his shoulder: and his name is called the Angel of Great Counsel: for I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him. (Isaiah 9:6)</li></ul><p>Therefore, there is with strong evidence that (Isaiah 9:6) was tampered with. Notice this current translation? Others have translated the scripture with brackets showing that [angel] is the messenger to be sent, but how was this to come about?</p><p>“Because a child was born to us, a son also given to us, whose sovereignty was upon his shoulder, and he is named messenger [or angel] of great counsel, for I will bring peace upon the rulers, peace and health to him,” </p><p>Jesus knowing and having read the Greek Septuagint multiple times in the synagogue asks a large crowd in the temple, “How is it that the scribes say that the Christ is David’s son? By the holy spirit, David himself said, ‘Jehovah said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies beneath your feet.”’ David himself calls him Lord, so how can it be that he is his son?” And the large crowd was listening to him with pleasure. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/mark/12/#v41012035-v41012037" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Mark 12:35-37</a>)</p><p>With that, not a single person was willing to answer him. Not a member of the Sanhedrin, not a single Pharisee, nor a single Scribe whom may have helped scribed part of the Greek Septuagint that they were using in the Synagogue.  Jesus then warns the large crowd in front of them. "Beware of the scribes who want to walk around in robes and want greetings in the marketplaces and front seats in the synagogues and the most prominent places at evening meals." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/mark/12/#v41012038-v41012040" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Mark 12:38-40</a>)</p><p>Since <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/w20130615/disobedient-angels/#:~:text=In%20the%20Hebrew%20Scriptures%2C%20the%20expressions%20%E2%80%9Cthe%20sons%20of%20the%20true%20God%E2%80%9D%20and%20%E2%80%9Cthe%20sons%20of%20God%E2%80%9D%20occur%20at%20Genesis%206%3A2%2C%C2%A04%3B%20Job%201%3A6%3B%202%3A1%3B%2038%3A7%3B%20and%20Psalm%2089%3A6.%20What%20do%20those%20texts%20indicate%20about%20these%20%E2%80%9Csons%20of%20God%E2%80%9D%3F" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">angels are called 'sons' of the true God</a> in (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/genesis/6/#v1006002" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Genesis 6:2</a>) it would not take much effort to learn that a child was born to us, a son also given to us by human birth from Isaiah 6:9.  But the same ones who already knew this kept silent, these same ones later exclaimed to Pilate, "We have a law, and according to the law he ought to die, <strong>because he made himself God’s son.</strong>” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/john/19/#v43019007" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 19:7</a>)</p><ul><li>do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because <strong>I</strong> said, ‘<strong>I am God’s Son</strong>’? (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/john/10/#v43010036" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John10:36</a>)</li><li>At this they all said: “Are you, therefore, the <strong>Son</strong> of <strong>God</strong>?” He said to them: “You yourselves are saying that <strong>I am</strong>.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/luke/22/#v42022070" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Luke 22:70</a>)</li><li>He has put his trust in <strong>God</strong>; let Him now rescue him if He wants him, for he said, ‘<strong>I am God’s Son</strong>.’” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/27/#v40027043" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 27:43</a>)</li><li>“For there stood by me this night <strong>the angel of God</strong>, whose I am, and whom I serve,” (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/bi10/44/27#s=23&amp;study=discover:~:text=For%20there%20stood%20by%20me%20this%20night%20the%20angel%20of%20God%2C%20whose%20I%20am%2C%20and%20whom%20I%20serve%2C" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Act 27:23</a>) </li><li>And though my physical condition was a trial for you, you did not treat me with contempt or disgust; but you received me <strong>like an angel of God, like Christ Jesus</strong>. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/galatians/4/#v48004014" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Galatians 4:14</a>)</li></ul><p>There is much to research, but it would be repetitive.  Look at the two scriptures:</p><ul><li>For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is upon his shoulder: and his name is called the Angel of Great Counsel: for I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him. Isaiah 9:6 (LXX)</li><li>For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6 (KJV) </li></ul><p>After reviewing both scriptures, one can easily assert how the KJV came about in removing <strong>the Angel of Great Counsel</strong> and then deleting for I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him and replacing it with Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.  It's a substitution trying to appease the scripture that was removed, <strong>for I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him.  </strong>Three "the"s were added to the text at a latter time by KJV translators. Looking at the Hebrew text itself, you will not find them listed because they don't exist.  <a href="https://biblehub.com/interlinear/isaiah/9-6.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">https://biblehub.com/interlinear/isaiah/9-6.htm</a>  Matter of fact the KJV translators didn't mind adding the letter (a) to a child or a son when there was no (a) in the Hebrew language.  (<em>ie....See, I have made thee (a god) to Pharaoh:</em> <a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/bi10/2/7#study=discover:~:text=See%2C%20I%20have%20made%20thee%20a%20god%20to%20Pharaoh" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Exodus 7:1 KJV</a>)</p><p>If you look at Daniel 12:1... it states <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/archangel-michael/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the Great Prince</a> which would be in conflict with the titles given at Isaiah 9:6... But the real scripture says, "<em>I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him</em>" would be accurate because of the following scripture fits. "Look! A king will reign for righteousness, And princes will rule for justice. And each one will be like a hiding place from the wind, A place of concealment from the rainstorm, Like streams of water in a waterless land, Like the shadow of a massive crag in a parched land." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/isaiah/32/#v23032001-v23032002" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Isaiah 32:1-2</a>)</p><p>Now if you noticed, Great Prince is set up by the definite article "<strong>the</strong>" which provides  emphasis. But in Isaiah 9:6, there is one definite article in referring to <strong>the government </strong>which would be God's Kingdom.  Isaiah 9:6 contains the indefinite article "a" for "<strong>a child"</strong> and "<strong>a son</strong>".   If the truth be told, <em>really </em>the prophecy at Isaiah and the Old Testament in it's entirety is referring to Michael the Archangel.  Archangel means Chief Messenger. </p><ul><li>Michael is the one given the name (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/philippians/2/#v50002009-v50002011" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Philippians 2:9-11</a>, <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/hebrews/1/#v58001004" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Hebrews 1:4</a>,<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/hebrews/1/#v58001004" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"> Acts 4:12</a>)  </li><li>Michael is the beginning of creation (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/john/1/#v43001001" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 1:1</a>, <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/colossians/1/#v51001015" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Col 1:15</a>, <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/3/#v66003014" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 3:14</a>, <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/22/#v66022016" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 22:16</a>)</li><li>Michael and his angels fight against Satan (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/daniel/10/#v27010013" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Daniel 10:13</a>, <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/daniel/10/#v27010021" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Daniel 10:21</a>, <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/daniel/12/#v27012001" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Daniel 12:1</a>, <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/jude/1/#v65001009" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Jude 1:9</a>, <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/zechariah/3/#v38003002" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Zechariah 3:2</a>, <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/joshua/5/#v6005014" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Joshua 5:14</a>, <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/exodus/23/#v2023020-v2023021" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Exodus 23:20-21</a>, <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/18/#v66018001" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 18:1</a>, <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/12/#v66012007-v66012009" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 12:7-9</a>)</li><li>Michael is the one who abysses Satan (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/20/#v66020001" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 20:1</a>, <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/9/#v66009011" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 9:11</a>, <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/luke/8/#v42008031" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Luke 8:31</a>, <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/1-corinthians/10/#v46010010" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 Cor 10:10</a>)</li><li>Not only is Michael named <strong>the Angel of Great Counsel</strong> but also called by the name <strong>The Word of God.</strong> (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/19/#v66019011-v66019013" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 19:11-13</a>, <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/1/#v66001013-v66001015" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 1:13-15</a>,)</li><li>Michael speaks in behalf of his Father as his personal messenger [angel] (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/exodus/3/#v2003002" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Exodus 3:2</a>, <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/acts/7/#v44007030" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Acts 7:30</a>, <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/isaiah/49/#v23049002" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Isaiah 49:2</a>, <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/1/#v66001014-v66001016" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 1:14-16</a>, <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/17/#v40017002" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 17:2</a>, <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/acts/9/#v44009003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Act 9:3</a>, <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/acts/26/#v44026013" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Acts 16:13</a>, <a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/bi10/44/27#s=23&amp;study=discover:~:text=For%20there%20stood%20by%20me%20this%20night%20the%20angel%20of%20God%2C%20whose%20I%20am%2C%20and%20whom%20I%20serve%2C" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Acts 27:23</a>)</li></ul><p><br /></p><p>However, there is more information that gives evidence to the rendering of (Isaiah 9:6) even within Christendom sites.  I found the following a very interesting read in regards to my research @ <a href="http://www.ccg.org/weblibs/study-papers/p224.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">http://www.ccg.org/weblibs/study-papers/p224.html</a></p><p>Quote:</p><p>" <strong>Christian Churches of God</strong></p><p><strong>PO Box 369,  WODEN  ACT 2606,  AUSTRALIA</strong></p><p>Email: secretary@ccg.org</p><p><strong>(Copyright © 1997, 2019  Wade Cox)</strong></p><p><br /></p><p>This paper may be freely copied and distributed provided it is copied in total with no alterations or deletions. The publisher’s name and address and the copyright notice must be included.  No charge may be levied on recipients of distributed copies.  Brief quotations may be embodied in critical articles and reviews without breaching copyright. This paper is available from the World Wide Web page: <a href="http://www.logon.org" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">http://www.logon.org</a> and <a href="http://www.ccg.org" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">http://www.ccg.org</a></p><p><br /></p><p><strong>Isaiah 9:6</strong></p><p>Isaiah 9:6 is used by Trinitarians to justify their theology. Argument is advanced that, by the name given in Isaiah 9:6, the attributes and, thereby, co-equality and co-eternality were conferred in the son as being the same God in the case of Trinitarians and Binitarians; or an independent co-eternal God who had co-equality conferred upon him when he agreed to become the son of the other, in the case of the Ditheists. However, it was not understood in that light by ancient Israel.</p><p>The Septuagint (LXX) renders Isaiah 9:6 as reading <em>the Angel of Great Counsel</em>. Brenton’s translation is:</p><p>For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is upon his shoulder: and his name is called the Messenger of great counsel: for I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him.</p><p>Verse 7 continues:</p><p>His government shall be great, and of his peace there is no end: it shall be upon the throne of David and upon his kingdom, to establish it and support it with judgment and with righteousness from henceforth and forever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts shall perform this.</p><p>We can see there is no trace of this later theology or assertion in the LXX. Here, he is the <em>Aggelos, </em>the <em>Angel</em> or <em>Messenger of Great Counsel</em>.</p><p>The term <em>mighty god</em> in Isaiah 9:6 is derived from the words <em>mighty el</em> and this can apply to any mighty one, even a human.</p><p>The same views emerge when we examine the concepts from the New Testament. The term <em>everlasting father</em> refers to the <em>fatherhood </em>of Messiah of which Paul says there are many in heaven and on earth and the reason why we bow to the Father for whom they are named.</p><p>Ephesians 3:14-15 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, (KJV)</p><p>Ephesians 3:14-15 For this reason I bow my knees before the Father, 15from whom every family in heaven and on earth is named, (RSV)</p><p>The actual text is <em>of whom every fatherhood</em> (<em>patria</em>) <em>in [the] heavens and on earth is named</em> (cf. Marshall’s Interlinear text).</p><p>The Peshitta (Lamsa’s translation) has:</p><p>For whom all fatherhood in heaven and on earth is named.</p><p>Thus, the concept of Isaiah 9:6 is the allocation by delegation of the rulership function expressed in terms of fatherhood.</p><p><em>Everlasting father</em> is held by Green to be a combination of Strong’s Hebrew Dictionary 1 and 5702. SHD 1 is <em>father</em> as <em>AB </em>but when we examine the text here we see the word is <em>ABY</em> (SHD 21) meaning <em>fatherly</em>. SHD 5702 is <em>'AGN</em> <em>'agan</em> meaning <em>to stay</em> from the concept of <em>debar (as from marriage)</em>. However, the consonants are <em>'AD</em> (SHD 5704 <em>'ad</em>) meaning <em>to stay for a long time</em>. Thus, the term here denotes the continuation of fatherly responsibility and not the fatherhood of procreation which is reserved to God the Father as we see from Christ's own comments in the New Testament regarding us not calling any man <em>father</em> as we have only one Father and He is in heaven.</p><p>The Soncino text renders Isaiah 9:5[6] as:</p><p>For a child is born unto us; and the government is upon his shoulder; And his name is called Pele-joez-el-gibbor-Abi-ad-sar-shalom.</p><p>This is more or less consistent with the above. The words are a name which denotes the relationship of the person given the name with the being associated with it. The Soncino holds the words to mean:</p><p>Wonderful in counsel is God the mighty, the Everlasting Father, the Ruler of Peace. The child will bear these significant names in order to recall to the people the message which they embody (Arbarbanel) (Soncino <em>Isaiah</em> fn. to 9:5[6]).</p><p>Even here, where the name is read in reference to another entity, it is not inferred, and cannot be inferred, that the child is possessed of these attributes. Rather he, Messiah as the child, is understood to act for the being who does possess these attributes.</p><p>The Peshitta carries the same name concept that we see from the Soncino.</p><p>The LXX uses the concepts in like manner but renders the Greek text as a follow on of the power given to the child by the Lord of Hosts (<em>Kuriou Sabbaoth</em>).</p><p>Similar in concept to the LXX, The Concordant Version of the Old Testament, by the Concordant Publishing Concern, also translates Isaiah 9:6-7 as:</p><p>"6) For a Boy, He is born to us; A Son, He is given to us, And the chieftainship shall come to be on His shoulder, And one shall call His name Marvelous; Counsel to the master shall He bring, Unto the chief, well-being.</p><p>7) To the increase of the chieftainship And to the well-being there will be no end; On the throne of David and over his kingdom, To establish it  and to brace it with right judgment and with justice, Henceforth and in the future eon, The zeal of Yahweh of hosts, it shall achieve this."</p><p>In view of the ancient texts, Isaiah 9:6 cannot be used to construe any equality with the Father as Trinitarians and Binitarians/Ditheists seek to assert. It was never understood that way in ancient Israel or Judah nor by the Church of God of past centuries nor by modern Judaism." </p><p>End of Quote.</p>]]>
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        <pubDate>Mon, 27 Dec 2021 01:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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<p><br /></p><h5>Would you like to live on a Paradise Earth? </h5><p>Think of it. No more sickness, nor more suffering, no more death. Seems impossible doesn't it? Today, we live in a system that thrives on greed and disregarding the downtrodden. The Bible can help you make marvelous changes to you Life for the Better. You can live a quiet and peaceful Life in a world full of turmoil.</p><p>Why do so many religions reject the Good News about God's Kingdom? Why do so many religions join political systems to engage in maiming and killing one another? <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/control-world-tract/who-controls-the-world" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Who Really Controls the World?</a> The Answer may Surprise You. "Who can conquer the world? Is it not the one who has faith that Jesus is the Son of God?" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/1-john/5/#v62005005" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 John 5;5</a>)</p><p>When sharing he Good News of God's Kingdom, True Christians would share several staples of the Lord's Prayer.</p><ol><li>   True Christians would Sanctify the Father's Name by making it known. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/6/#v40006009" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 6:9</a>)</li><li>   True Christians would Pray for God's Kingdom to come. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/6/#v40006009" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 6:10</a>)</li><li>   True Christians would Pray the Father's Will to <a href="https://www.jw.org/ase/publications/books/good-news-from-god/what-is-gods-kingdom/video-kingdom-come/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">take place on Earth</a> as it is in Heaven.</li></ol><p>As True Christians, Jehovah's Witnesses obey the teachings of Jesus Christ, doing the same work Jesus Christ started two thousand years ago. Jesus stated, You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you, so that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise on both the wicked and the good and makes it rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/5/#v40005043" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 5:43-45</a>) You must accordingly be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/5/#v40005048" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 5:48</a>)</p><p>"Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more; You will look at where they were, And they will not be there. But the meek will possess the earth, And they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/psalms/37/#v19037010" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Psalms 37:9-10</a>)</p><p>"The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/psalms/37/#v19037029" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Psalms 37:29</a>) Trust in Jehovah and do what is good; Reside in the earth, and act with faithfulness. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/psalms/37/#v19037003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Psalm 37:3</a>) </p><div data-embedjson="{&quot;body&quot;:&quot;Today’s world is far from the Paradise God meant it to be. However, God has not changed his mind; he will fulfill his original purpose.&quot;,&quot;photoUrl&quot;:&quot;https:\/\/assetsnffrgf-a.akamaihd.net\/assets\/m\/2021087\/univ\/art\/2021087_univ_sqr_xl.jpg&quot;,&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https:\/\/www.jw.org\/en\/library\/magazines\/watchtower-no2-2021-may-jun\/new-world-paradise\/&quot;,&quot;embedType&quot;:&quot;link&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;The Paradise New World That Is Near!&quot;}">
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        <pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2021 09:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>The truth about John 1:1 has been long hidden from the masses. Why is learning this scripture vital to your spiritual health? Because words matter! In Greek there are two different words for God. Also, using a definite article emphasizes the subject spoken about. First instance is <em>ton theon</em> which means <strong><em>the God</em></strong> and the second instance is <em>theos</em> which means <strong><em>a god</em></strong>.</p><p>How does John 1:1 read with a literal translation?</p><p>“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with <strong><em>the God</em></strong>, and <strong><em>a god</em></strong> was the Word.”</p><p>Jesus is never referred to as the theon because Jesus was begotten and came into existence. Therefore, the Apostle John used the nominative title theos which means a god referring to the Word’s divinity and godlike qualities.</p><ul><li>1975 “and a god (or, <strong><em>of a divine kind</em></strong>) was the Word” – Das Evangelium nach Johnnes, by Siegfried Schulz, Göttingen, Germany</li><li>1978: “and <strong><em>godlike sort</em></strong> was the Logos” – Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Johannes Schneider, Berlin</li></ul><p><a href="https://www.brorando.com/post/the-hidden-treasure-of-john-1-1" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>Free eBook...</strong></a></p>]]>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2022 03:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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</div><p>The Bible tells us, "<strong>Jehovah is close to the brokenhearted; He saves those who are crushed in spirit.</strong>" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/psalms/34/#v19034018" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Pslams 34:18</a>)  </p><p>Also, we have a helper in His Only Begotten Son Jesus Christ whom states, "<strong>Come to me, all you who are toiling and loaded down, and I will refresh you.</strong>" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/11/#v40011028" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Mat 11:28</a>)</p><p>Articles that may interest you:</p><ul><li><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/g201404/go-on-living-why/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Why Go On?</a></li><li><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/activities/help-community/saved-from-suicide/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Survive Depression</a></li><li><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-no2-2019-may-jun/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Is Life Worth Living?</a> </li><li><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/awake-no1-2020-mar-apr/how-to-deal-with-stress/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">How to Deal With Stress</a> </li><li><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/activities/help-community/campaign-saved-lives-tabasco-mexico/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">A Campaign That Saved Lives</a></li></ul><h5><a href="https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>National Suicide Prevention Lifeline</strong></a><strong>  1 (800) 273-8255 </strong> </h5>]]>
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        <pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2022 21:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>Jesus prayed, “Our Father in the Heavens, <strong>Let your Name Be Sanctified</strong>” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/6/#v40006009" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 6:9</a>) “Praised be <a href="https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Psalms-83-18/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>the God and Father</strong></a> of our Lord Jesus Christ,” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/1-peter/1/#v60001003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 Peter 1:3</a>)</p><p>“I am sending an<strong> angel</strong> ahead of you to guard you <strong>on the way</strong> and to bring you <strong>into the place that I have prepared.</strong>  <em>Pay attention to him, and obey his voice.</em> <strong>Do not rebel against him</strong>, for <em>he will not pardon your transgressions</em>, because <strong>my name is in him</strong>.” (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/l/r1/lp-e?q=Exodus+23%3A20-21" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Exodus 23:20-21</a>)</p><ul><li>Jehovah your God will raise up for you from among your brothers a prophet like me. You must <strong>listen</strong> to <strong>him. </strong>(<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/deuteronomy/18/#v5018015" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Deuteronomy 18:15</a>)</li><li>While he was still speaking, look! a bright cloud overshadowed them, and look! a voice out of the cloud said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved. <strong>Listen</strong> to <strong>him</strong>.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/17/#v40017005" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 17:5</a>)</li><li>Then a voice came out of the cloud, saying: “This is my Son, the one who has been chosen. <strong>Listen</strong> to <strong>him</strong>.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/luke/9/#v42009035" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Luke 9:35</a>)</li><li>My God will reject them, For they have not <strong>listened</strong> to <strong>him</strong>, And they will become fugitives among the nations. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/hosea/9/#v28009017" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Hosea 9:17</a>)</li><li>See that you do not refuse to <strong>listen</strong> to the one who is speaking. For if those who refused to <strong>listen</strong> to the one giving divine warning on earth did not escape, how much more will we not escape if we turn away from <strong>him</strong> who speaks from the heavens! (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/hebrews/12/#v58012025" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Hebrews 12:25</a>)</li><li>But all those <strong>listening</strong> to <strong>him</strong> were in constant amazement at his understanding and his answers. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/luke/2/#v42002047" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Luke 2:47</a>)</li></ul><p>Would you like to learn more about <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/online-lessons/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the Bible</a> or about <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/request-a-visit/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Jehovah’s Witnesses?</a></p>]]>
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        <title>Is Religion Just Another Big Business?</title>
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        <pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2021 23:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Biblical Studies</category>
        <dc:creator>Brother Rando</dc:creator>
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</div><p>Have you noticed that many religions appear to be more focused on making money than on providing spiritual guidance? </p><ul><li>An investigation revealed that one Catholic bishop over a period of 13 years used church funds to pay for nearly 150 trips on private jets and some 200 limousine rides. He also spent well over four million dollars on renovations to his church residence.</li><li>A preacher in one African country regularly holds religious services with tens of thousands of attendees. His large church complex sells all kinds of merchandise—from “miracle oil” to branded towels and T-shirts. While most who attend are poor, he is extremely wealthy.</li><li>Two of China’s four sacred Buddhist mountains are publicly-listed companies. And the famous Shaolin Temple is involved in many commercial projects—its abbot is popularly known as the “CEO monk.”</li><li>Divinity consultants are beginning to appear in corporate America. According to one report, they borrow from religious tradition to design sacred rituals and provide other spiritual services for their clients.</li></ul><p>Religion soon to be Destroyed!  Jesus told his followers never to seek financial profit from their religious activities. He said: “You received free, give free.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/10/#v40010008" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 10:8</a>) </p>]]>
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        <title>Which one is correct?  A or B?</title>
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        <pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2021 23:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Biblical Studies</category>
        <dc:creator>Brother Rando</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>'Next, the end, when <strong>he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, </strong>when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power.' (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/1-corinthians/15/#v46015024" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 Cor 15:24</a>)</p><p><strong>A.</strong> Trinitarians Claim that <strong>God </strong>hands over the Kingdom to <strong>his God and Father</strong></p><p><strong>B.</strong> Christians Claim <strong>Jesus hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father</strong></p>]]>
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        <title>The truth about Jesus' Resurrection...</title>
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        <pubDate>Sat, 11 Dec 2021 03:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Biblical Studies</category>
        <dc:creator>Brother Rando</dc:creator>
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<p><br /></p><p>The Bible says that Jesus “was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/1-peter/3/#v60003018" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 Peter 3:18</a>)</p><p>Jesus was put to death, how? <strong>In the flesh....</strong> here's one of several teachings of Jesus Christ. "I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread he will live forever; and for a fact, <strong>the bread that I will give is My Flesh </strong>in behalf of the life of the world." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/john/6/#v43006051" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 6:51</a>) So, if for a fact, Jesus gave his flesh in behalf of the life of the world, then proclaiming that he took back the flesh he sacrificed would be wholly inaccurate.</p><p>"So from now on we know no man from a fleshly viewpoint. <strong>Even if we once knew Christ according to the flesh, we certainly no longer know him in that way.</strong>" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/2-corinthians/5/#v47005016" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">2 Corinthians 5:16</a>)</p><p>So how was Jesus Christ resurrected? So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living person.” <strong>The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.</strong>" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/1-corinthians/15/#v46015045" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 Corinthians 15:45</a>) Spirit creatures/angels, can manifest in the flesh, even eating and drinking with those who entertain them. "Do not forget hospitality, for through it some unknowingly entertained angels." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/hebrews/13/#v58013002" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Hebrews 13:2</a>)</p><p><strong>Since Jesus became a life-giving sprit, he manifested in various fleshly bodies and many times without the wounds.</strong> Consider the account of Mary Magdalene, a faithful follower of Jesus Christ who went to the tomb for <strong>the purpose of dressing his wounds.</strong> Notice the account, "After saying this, <strong>she turned around and saw Jesus standing there,</strong> but she did not realize that it was Jesus. Jesus said to her: “Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you looking for?” <strong>She, thinking it was the gardener, said to him:</strong> “Sir, if you have carried him off, tell me where you have laid him, and I will take him away.” Jesus said to her: “Mary!” On turning around, she said to him in Hebrew:<em>“Rab·boʹni!”</em> (which means “Teacher!”) - <a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/l/r1/lp-e?q=John+20%3A14-16" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 20:14-16</a></p><p><strong>Two points for Consideration at </strong><a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/l/r1/lp-e?q=John+20%3A14-16" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>John 20:14-16</strong></a></p><ol><li>Obviously Jesus wasn't resurrected in the same flesh that was sacrificed.</li><li>No Wounds, otherwise Mary Magdalene would have noticed who this person was...</li></ol><p><strong>Account continues:</strong> "Moreover, some women from among us also astonished us, for they went early to the tomb <strong><em>and when they did not find his body,</em></strong> they came saying that they had also seen a supernatural sight of angels, who said he is alive." (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/l/r1/lp-e?q=Luke+24%3A22-23" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Luke 24:22-23</a>)</p><p>Then some of those who were with us went off to the tomb, and they found it just as the women had said, <strong><em>but they did not see him</em>.</strong>” So he <strong>(Jesus) said to them: </strong>“O senseless ones and slow of heart to believe all the things the prophets have spoken! Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and to enter into his glory?” And starting with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them things pertaining to himself in all the Scriptures. Finally they got close to the village to which they were traveling, and he made as if to travel on farther. But they urged him to remain, saying: “Stay with us, because it is almost evening and the day is nearly over.” With that he went in to stay with them. (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/l/r1/lp-e?q=Luke+24%3A24-30" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Luke 24:24-30</a>) <strong>Again, <em>they did not see him</em> because Jesus manifested in a different body with no wounds.</strong></p><p>They only recognized him <strong>from the things he said and did.</strong> "And as he was dining with them, he took the bread, blessed it, broke it, and began handing it to them. <strong>At that their eyes were fully opened and they recognized him; </strong>but he disappeared from them." (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/l/r1/lp-e?q=Luke+24%3A31-32" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Luke 24:31-32</a>)</p><p>"And <strong>they</strong> got up in that very hour and returned to Jerusalem, and <strong>they </strong>found the Eleven and those assembled together with them, who said: “<strong>For a fact the Lord was raised up, and he appeared to Simon!</strong>” Then they related the events on the road and how he became known to them by the breaking of the bread." (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/l/r1/lp-e?q=Luke+23%3A33-35" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Luke 23:33-35</a>) We are not sure of how many Jesus appeared too but they were not of the Eleven Apostles, therefore it is possible to conclude that they were believers and <strong>may have been Lazarus and Simon the leper who was a Pharisee </strong>whom Jesus dined with just before his execution.</p><p>=========================================================================</p><p><strong>Another account:</strong> "Then they remembered his words, and they returned from the tomb and reported all these things to the Eleven and to all the rest. They were <strong>Mary Magʹda·lene, Jo·anʹna, and Mary the mother of James. </strong>Also, the rest of the women with them were telling these things to the apostles. However, these sayings seemed like nonsense to them, and <strong>they would not believe the women.</strong>" (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/l/r1/lp-e?q=Luke+24%3A8-11" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Luke 24:8-11</a>)</p><p>"But Thomas, one of the Twelve, who was called the Twin, was not with them when Jesus came. So the other disciples were telling him: “We have seen the Lord!” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/john/20/#v43020024" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 20:24)</a> <strong>Evidently, they all gave the same witness that Jesus appeared to them but in a different body without wounds. </strong>Notice Thomas did not ask to see Jesus' body, "But he said to them: “Unless I see in his hands the print of the nails and stick my finger into the print of the nails and stick my hand into his side, I will never believe it.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/john/20/#v43020025" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 20:25</a>)</p><p>Well, eight days later his disciples were again indoors, and Thomas was with them. <strong>Jesus came, although the doors were locked, and he stood in their midst</strong> and said: “May you have peace.” Next he said to Thomas: “Put your finger here, and see my hands, and take your hand and stick it into my side, and stop doubting but believe.” (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/l/r1/lp-e?q=John+20%3A26-27" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 20:26-27</a>)</p><p>Notice the following verses exist for the reason he was manifesting in different fleshly bodies. "<strong>To be sure, Jesus also performed many other signs before the disciples,</strong> which are not written down in this scroll. But these have been written down so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and because of believing, you may have life by means of his name." (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/l/r1/lp-e?q=John+20%3A30-31" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 20:30-31</a>)</p><p>=========================================================================</p><p><strong>Yet, another account:</strong> <em>Jesus appears again in a different body without wounds again!</em> "However, just as day was breaking, <strong>Jesus stood on the beach, but the disciples did not realize that it was Jesus. </strong>Then Jesus said to them: “Children, you do not have anything to eat, do you?” They answered: “No!” (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/l/r1/lp-e?q=John+21%3A4-5" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 21:4-5</a>)</p><p>He said to them: “Cast the net on the right side of the boat and you will find some.” So they cast it, but they were not able to haul it in because of the large number of fish. <strong>Then the disciple whom Jesus loved said to Peter: “It is the Lord!</strong>” Now Simon Peter, on hearing that it was the Lord, put on his outer garment, for he was naked, and plunged into the sea." (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/l/r1/lp-e?q=John+21%3A6-7" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 21:6-7</a>) Simon Peter plunging into the sea is '<strong>an act of faith</strong>' my friends!</p><p>Jesus said to them: “Come, have your breakfast.” <strong>Not one of the disciples had the courage to ask him: “Who are you?” because they knew it was the Lord.</strong> Jesus came and took the bread and gave it to them, and the same with the fish. This was <strong>now the third time that Jesus appeared to the disciples after being raised up from the dead</strong>." (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/l/r1/lp-e?q=John+21%3A12-14" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 21:12-14</a>)</p><p><br /></p><h5><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/memorial/remember-jesus-death" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Accepting Jesus as the Christ can add a profound meaning for your Life.</a>​</h5><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.brorando.com/post/the-truth-about-jesus-resurrection" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Read more...</a></p>]]>
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        <title>The Deception of the Anti-Christ removes Christ or opposes him.</title>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2021 11:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Apologetics</category>
        <dc:creator>Brother Rando</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<h2>ANTICHRIST EXPOSED</h2><p>The only Bible writer to use the word “antichrist” is the apostle John. Note these words in the first letter bearing his name:</p><p>“Young children, it is the last hour, and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared, from which fact we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of our sort . . . <strong>Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ?</strong> This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.”—<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/1-john/2/#v62002018-v62002019" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 John 2:18, 19, 22</a>.</p><p>Therefore, the Anti-Christ would come up with a<em> Universal teaching that opposes</em> Jesus as the Christ, the son of the living God. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/16/#v40016016" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Mathhew 16:16</a>)</p>]]>
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        <pubDate>Sat, 27 Nov 2021 21:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Biblical Studies</category>
        <dc:creator>Brother Rando</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.brorando.com/post/god-s-sacred-and-holy-name" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">God's Sacred and Holy Name...</a><br /></p><div>
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<p>Beautiful isn't it?  How do you react when seeing <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/draw-close/holy-god/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>God's Sacred and Holy Name</strong>?</a> Are you overcome with a wondrous and overwhelming awe?  If you were to enter into a Personal Relationship with someone whom you deemed special or important, what is the first thing you would want to know about that Person?  <a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1980085" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>What is Your Name?</strong></a></p><p>Think about it, how well could you build a <strong>personal and intimate relationship </strong>with someone if you don't even know their name?  The Bible states, "Draw close to God, and he will draw close to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you indecisive ones." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/james/4/#v59004008" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">James 4:8</a>)  Notice it requires action on your part, <strong>first?  </strong>The Bible is like a mirror, it reflects your thoughts and inner person, the person you really are. "For the <strong>word </strong>of <strong>God </strong>is <strong>alive </strong>and exerts power and is sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of soul and spirit, and of joints from the marrow, and is able to discern thoughts and intentions of the heart." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/hebrews/4/#v58004012" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Hebrews 4:12</a>)</p><p><strong>Question:  </strong>If you met someone you really like, and I mean you really want to get to know this person, the first thing you want to know is their name.  The second thing you want them to know is Your Name. Right?  Suppose that person doesn't care to want to know your name at all?  How would you Feel?  If you don't care to learn about Jehovah, then why should he care about you?  But he does care about you, more than you can ever imagine. Stop hurting him.</p><p>The proof <strong>that you do care</strong>, is that you are reading this article right now. Researching the Bible, reading the articles, learning, and yes, drawing closer to God. It's a process. Jesus Christ told his followers, "No man can come to me <strong>unless the Father</strong>, who sent me, <strong>draws him,</strong> and I will resurrect him on the last day." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/john/6/#v43006044" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 6:44</a>)  Jehovah sent his only begotten Son for you, even before you knew about God's Precious Name.  "For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/john/3/#v43003016" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 3:16</a>)  </p><p>Jehovah Witnesses are proud to bear the Name of the true God, <a href="https://www.brorando.com/post/jehovah-the-god-and-father-of-our-lord-jesus-christ-1-peter-1-3" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">JEHOVAH</a>.  "Symʹe·on has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations <strong>to take out of them a people for his name</strong>." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/acts/15/#v44015014" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Acts 15:14</a>)  “"I am the One who declared and saved and made known When there was no foreign god among you. So <strong>you are my witnesses, declares Jehovah, and I am God.</strong>" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/isaiah/43/#v23043012" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Isaiah 43:12</a>) </p><p>Slandering or belittling God's Sacred and Holy Name can be bring certain death for the abuser. "So the <strong>abuser of Jehovah’s name should be put to death without fail. </strong>The entire assembly should stone him without fail. The foreign resident should be put to death the same as the native for his <strong>abusing the Name.</strong>" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/leviticus/24/#v3024016" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Leviticus 24:16</a>)  </p><p>Here's where it really pays to study.  Satan is tricky, he tries to get people <a href="https://www.brorando.com/post/who-would-want-to-hide-god-s-name" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">from using God's Name altogether. </a> How? By removing God's Sacred and Holy Name from the Bible.  This act of not using God's Name is a grave and serious sin, a willful act. "<strong>They intend to make my people forget my name </strong>by the dreams they relate to one another, just as their fathers forgot my name because of Baʹal." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/jeremiah/23/#v24023027" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Jeremiah 23:27</a>)  The Hebrew word used in taking God's Name in vain can also mean 'emptiness' or 'void' as in making worthless, belittling, or something of little value or treat as ordinary.  </p><p>Rather, God's Name is a Protection.  "The <strong>name of Jehovah</strong> is a strong tower.  Into it<strong> the righteous one runs and receives protection.</strong>" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/proverbs/18/#v20018010" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Proverbs 18:10</a>) "At that time those who fear Jehovah spoke with one another, each one with his companion, and Jehovah kept paying attention and listening. <em>And a book of remembrance was written before him for those fearing Jehovah and for those meditating on his name." (</em><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/malachi/3/#v39003016" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><em>Malachi 3:16)</em></a></p><p>"During his life on earth, Christ offered up supplications and also petitions, with strong outcries and tears, to the One who was able to save him out of death, and he was favorably heard for his <strong>godly fear</strong>." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/hebrews/5/#v58005007" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Hebrews 5:7</a>)</p>]]>
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        <title>Who would want to hide God’s Name?</title>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 25 Nov 2021 23:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Bible Questions</category>
        <dc:creator>Brother Rando</dc:creator>
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<p><strong>True Christians Have Restored God's Name to the Bible.</strong></p><p>Satan and his false religions have been hiding God’s Sacred Name for 3,500 years! “That <em>men</em> may know that thou, whose name alone <em>is</em> <strong>JEHOVAH</strong>, <em>art t</em>he most high over all the earth.” (<a href="https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Psalms-83-18/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Psalms 83:18 KJV</a>)  This scripture is not often referred to by the religious leaders of Christendom.  The scriptures go on to say, “Blessed <em>be</em> <strong>the God and Father</strong> of our Lord Jesus Christ” (<a href="https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-Peter-1-3/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 Peter 1:3 KJV</a>) The scriptures state what is necessary in order to be saved. “For if you publicly declare with your mouth that <strong>Jesus is Lord</strong>, and exercise faith in your heart that <strong>God raised him up from the dead, <em>you will be saved.</em></strong>” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/romans/10/#v45010009" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Romans 10:9</a>)  </p><p>Sadly, there are almost 2.8 Billion people on earth who believe in a false gospel of the trinity for salvation.  It never admits that “Jesus is Lord” nor does it make the claim that God raised Jesus up from the dead.  It promotes a false gospel of salvation.  “For many deceivers have gone out into the world, <strong>those not acknowledging Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh</strong>. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/2-john/1/#v63001007" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">2 John 7</a>)   </p><p>The trinity is completely foreign to the Bible and can not be found in any of its’ passages. If you looked up the trinity doctrine, you would have to close the Bible and look into apostate books that have the man-made doctrine.  The three persons have no names.  It is a generic formula borrowed and copied from pagan religions.  Jesus Christ is completely absent from the trinity doctrine.  Will you accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior today? (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/2-peter/3/#v61003018" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">2 Peter 3:18</a>)</p><p>Many Religions have removed God's Holy and Sacred Name claiming Jehovah is a made up Name. If that was true, then why leave names in the Bible that bear witness to the Name JEHOVAH, like Jesus, John, and Elijah along with many others??</p><ul><li>Jesus means 'Jehovah is Salvation'</li><li>John means 'Jehovah has been Gracious'</li><li>Elijah means 'My God is Jehovah'</li><li>Hallelujah means 'Praise Jah"  which is short for Jehovah</li></ul><p><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-study/glossary/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">What Can the Bible Teach Us?</a>  To request a free home Bible Study click <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/free-bible-study/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">here</a>.</p>]]>
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        <title>Pestilences... part of the Composite Sign of Jesus Christ Presence in Kingdom Glory.</title>
        <link>https://christiandiscourse.net/index.php?p=/discussion/1022/pestilences-part-of-the-composite-sign-of-jesus-christ-presence-in-kingdom-glory</link>
        <pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2021 17:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Apologetics</category>
        <dc:creator>Brother Rando</dc:creator>
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<p>After Jesus Christ summoned his 12 disciples and giving them authority to cure every sort of disease and every sort of infirmity, he revealed to them, "<strong>Do not think I came to bring peace to the earth; I came to bring, not peace, but a sword.</strong>" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/10/#v40010034" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 10:34</a>)</p><p>As distressing as pestilences are, they are part of the <a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2005721" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Composite Sign </a>of Jesus Christ Presence in Kingdom Glory.  (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/bl/r1/lp-e?q=Luke%2021%3A10%2C%C2%A011" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Luke 21:10-11</a>)  So the pummeling of pestilences we SEE today, affect everyone living on the earth "Look! He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, and those who pierced him; and <em>all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief </em>because of him. Yes, Amen." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/1/#v66001007" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 1:7</a>) </p><p>Pestilences were often used in the past to execute divine judgment.  However, as the Last Days conclude to their end, the Pestilences and Plagues will no longer be directed against all the tribes of the earth.<em>  </em>Soon, the pestilences will only affect those who refuse to know Jehovah God and are disobedient to the good news of Jesus Christ. "This takes into account that it is righteous on <strong>God’s</strong> <strong>part</strong> to repay tribulation to those who make tribulation for you." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/2-thessalonians/1/#v53001006" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">2 Thessalonians 1:6</a>) </p><p>This is <em>Really </em>Good News for the obedient and the faithful in rejoicing, for Jesus adds the words: “But as these things start to occur, raise yourselves erect and lift your heads up, because your deliverance is getting near.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/luke/21/#v42021028" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Luke 21:28</a>)  </p><p>As new pestilence and plagues become a common place in this last hour of this system of things, Jehovah Witnesses look forward to the end of Satan's System of things.  These viruses are severely contagious which affect how we conduct our Bible Studies, the preaching work, and even Baptizing New Christian Believers. Such adjustments are welcomed and we look forward to <a href="https://www.brorando.com/post/paradise-will-it-come" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">a Bright Future</a> as this gloomy system of things come to its end. For those on the outside of our inner rooms, the wicked will soon be swallwwed up by the second death as they start dying off. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/22/#v66022015" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 22:15</a>) </p><p>The removal of the wicked will be <strong>a day of relief </strong>for those who have the work of bearing witness of Jehovah and his Anointed One Jesus Christ. Therefore, as the last Days come to their end, there will be no need to witness to those dying off. Those who have God's Name on them will keep on living into Christ's Millinieal Reign where they will find exquisite delight. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/psalms/37/#v19037010-v19037011" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Pslams 37:10-11</a>)</p><p><br /></p><p><strong>Articles that may be of interest to you:</strong></p><p>What Is the Sign of “<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/end-times-prophecy-sign/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the Last Days,” or “End Times</a>”?</p><ul><li>“The End”​—<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/wp20150501/what-does-the-end-mean/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">What Does it Mean</a>?</li><li>A Book of Accurate Prophecy—<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/g201210/the-last-days/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Part 6</a></li><li>Many Will Survive the End​—<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/wp20150501/how-to-survive-the-end/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">You Can Too</a></li><li>Protect Yourself <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/awake-no6-2016-december/protect-yourself-from-disease/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">From Disease</a></li><li>Jesus Saves​—<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/jesus-saves/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">How</a>?</li></ul><p><br /></p>]]>
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        <title>Can the trinity be trusted as a Biblical Teaching?</title>
        <link>https://christiandiscourse.net/index.php?p=/discussion/989/can-the-trinity-be-trusted-as-a-biblical-teaching</link>
        <pubDate>Sun, 07 Nov 2021 22:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Bible Questions</category>
        <dc:creator>Brother Rando</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<h4><a href="https://jehovahwitnessqhub.wordpress.com/2018/04/30/can-the-trinity-be-trusted-as-a-biblical-teaching/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Can the trinity be trusted as a Biblical Teaching?</a></h4><p><br /></p><p>The scriptures state what is necessary in order to be saved. “For if you publicly declare with your mouth that<strong> Jesus is Lord</strong>, and exercise faith in your heart<strong> that God raised him up from the dead</strong>, <strong>you will be saved</strong>.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/romans/10/#v45010009" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Romans 10:9</a>)</p><p>Sadly, there are almost 2.8 Billion people on earth who believe in a false gospel of the trinity. It <strong>never admits</strong> that “<strong>Jesus is Lord</strong>” nor does it <strong>make the claim that God raised Jesus up from the dead</strong>.</p><p>It promotes a false gospel of salvation and refuses to acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. “For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those not acknowledging Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/2-john/1/#v63001007" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">2 John 7</a>)</p><p>If you looked up the trinity doctrine, you would have to close the Bible and look into apostate books that have the man-made doctrine from the Superfine Apostles that reject Jesus is ‘the Christ the son of the living God.’ (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/16/#v40016016" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 16:16</a>) The three persons have <strong>no names</strong>. It is a generic formula borrowed and copied from pagan religions. Jesus Christ is completely absent from the trinity doctrine.</p><p>To request a Free Non-Contact Home Bible Study click <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/free-bible-study/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">here</a>.</p>]]>
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        <title>Is Jesus God?</title>
        <link>https://christiandiscourse.net/index.php?p=/discussion/977/is-jesus-god</link>
        <pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2021 08:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Bible Questions</category>
        <dc:creator>Brother Rando</dc:creator>
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<p><br /></p><p>Jesus said to him: “Why do you call <strong>Me</strong> good? Nobody is good except one, God.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/mark/10/#v41010018" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Mark 10:18</a>) </p><p>"Father, if you want to, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, let, <strong>not My will, but Yours take place.</strong>" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/luke/22/#v42022042" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Luke 22:42</a>)</p><p><br /></p><p><em>Question:</em>  He said to them: “You, though, who do you say <strong>I am?</strong>”  (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/16/#v40016015" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 16:15</a>) <a href="https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1EKKP_enUS712US712&amp;q=ego+eimi&amp;spell=1&amp;sa=X&amp;ved=0ahUKEwiRrO__-5rhAhVlTd8KHZ79Cr4QkeECCCkoAA" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">ego'<em>eimi</em></a>  </p><p><em>What was Peter's Answer?  </em><strong>“You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” (</strong><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/16/#v40016016" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>Matthew 16:16</strong></a><strong>)  </strong> Peter identifies Jesus as “<strong>the Christ</strong>” (Greek, <em>ho Khri·stosʹ</em>), a title equivalent to “the Messiah” (from Hebrew <em>ma·shiʹach</em>), both meaning “Anointed One.”  Here “Christ” is preceded by the <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-glossary/definite-article/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">definite article</a> in Greek, evidently as a way of emphasizing Jesus’ office as the Messiah.​—See <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/1/#v40001001" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">study notes on Mt 1:1; 2:4</a>. </p><p><br /></p><p>The Apostle Paul also gives witness about the <a href="https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1EKKP_enUS712US712&amp;q=ego+eimi&amp;spell=1&amp;sa=X&amp;ved=0ahUKEwiRrO__-5rhAhVlTd8KHZ79Cr4QkeECCCkoAA" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">ego'<em>eimi</em></a> .  "For there stood by me this night <strong>the angel of God, whose I am,</strong> and whom I serve," (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/bi10/E/1611/44/27#s=23&amp;study=discover" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Acts 27:23</a>)</p><p>When trinitarians proclaim 'Jesus is God.'  Can we conclude that God cried out, “<strong>My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?</strong>” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/27/#v40027046" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 27:46</a>)  "Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/1-john/2/#v62002022" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 John 2:22</a>)</p><p>Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘<strong>I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.</strong>’”  Who made this statement, <strong>Jesus or God?</strong></p><p>Don't let Satan trick you into denying Jesus as '<strong>the Christ the Son of the living God.</strong>' (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/16/#v40016016" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>Matthew 16:16</strong></a>)  When trinitarians teach 'Jesus is God' they teach that God manifested in the flesh, but is this true?   For many deceivers have gone out into the world, <strong>those not acknowledging Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh.</strong> This is the deceiver and the antichrist.<em>" </em>(<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/2-john/1/#v63001007" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">2 John 7</a>)  </p><p>"Praised be<strong> the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ</strong>" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/1-peter/1/#v60001003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 Peter 1:3</a>)  Why not study the following <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/search/?q=+the+God+and+Father+of+our+Lord+Jesus+Christ" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong><em>scriptures</em></strong></a><strong><em>?</em></strong>  Once the Son of Man set's you free, <em>you really are Free! (</em><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/john/8/#v43008036" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><em>John 8:36</em></a><em>)</em></p><p><br /></p><p><em>Who died for our sins?   Jesus or God? </em></p><p><em>Who inherited the Name to become better than the angels?  Jesus or God?</em></p><p><em>Note: Scripture in picture should read (John 14:28)</em></p>]]>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 11 Apr 2019 10:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Apologetics</category>
        <dc:creator>C Mc</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p> Titus 2:13 is found in the middle of a sentence that reaches from vs. 11 through 14, the chain of <strong>genitive nouns </strong>τῆς δόξης τοῦ μεγάλου θεοῦ καὶ σωτῆρος ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ has divided those who study languages and theologians between three different interpretations: </p><ul><li>(1) The text <strong>refers to both God the Father</strong> (τοῦ μεγάλου θεοῦ) <strong>and to Jesus</strong> (σωτῆρος ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ), and the glory that will appear at the Parousia belongs to both of them (cf. KJV) </li><li>(2) The<strong> whole phrase is referring to Jesus Christ</strong>, called <strong><em>“our great God and Savior", </em></strong> whose glory will be seen at His Second Coming.</li><li> (3) <strong>Jesus Christ</strong> is described as “<em>the glory of our great God and Savior</em>.”</li></ul><p>Which of these reflect the truth of Jesus?  Please feel free to share any references or other voices to make your case, pro or con. Let's have a fruitful discussion that leads to better knowledge and understanding. <strong>Thanks CM</strong></p>]]>
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