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        <title>Cults — Christian Debate</title>
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        <title>The trinity and it’s false theology.</title>
        <link>https://christiandiscourse.net/index.php?p=/discussion/1035/the-trinity-and-it-s-false-theology</link>
        <pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2021 21:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>The trinity and it’s false theology.<br /></p><p> </p><p>You may be surprised to find out that the trinity doctrine <strong>does not accept Jesus Christ</strong>.  It omits Christ from its doctrine and promotes a false gospel that ‘<strong>three separate persons </strong>make up God’ which is not found in Any Bible.  Trinitarians profess that<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/john/1/#v43001001" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"> John 1:1</a> explains their theology of ‘three separate persons ’.  <strong>It does not.</strong>  Therefore, it is not unusual to come across an apostate trinitarian who will <strong>deny and oppose the teachings of Jesus Christ.</strong></p><p><br /></p><p>Trinitarians proclaim Jesus is co-equal to his God while Jesus himself proclaims "<strong>the Father is Greater than I am.</strong>" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/john/14/#v43014028" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 14:28</a>)  When Jesus Christ stated that ‘<strong>God is a Spirit’</strong> in (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/john/4/#v43004024" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 4:24</a>) trinitarians proclaim that Christ under the inspiration of Holy Spirit somehow mis-spoken because their doctrine teaches that God is made up of three separate Persons <strong>which is never cited in any scripture. </strong> In <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/john/17/#v43017001" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 17:1</a> Jesus addresses his Father in prayer, he said: “Father,… and in <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/john/17/#v43017003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 17:3</a>  he states, “This means everlasting life, <strong>their coming to know You,</strong> <strong>the only true God</strong>” Was Jesus addressing <a href="https://www.brorando.com/post/jehovah-the-god-and-father-of-our-lord-jesus-christ-1-peter-1-3" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">God the Father</a> or the trinity of three separate persons?</p><p><br /></p><p>Trinitarians proclaim Jesus was not addressing the trinity itself, but God the Father.  <strong>Wouldn’t that prove that the trinity to be a False God? </strong> “He stands in opposition and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits down in the temple of God, publicly showing himself to be a god.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/2-thessalonians/2/#v53002004" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">2 Thessalonians 2:4</a>) </p><p><br /></p><p>As Jesus continue his teachings about God, he states, “God is a Spirit, and those worshipping Him must worship with spirit and truth.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/john/4/#v43004024" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 4:24</a>)  Notice those worshiping <strong>HIM is in singular?</strong>  Not ‘us’ ‘we’ they’ ‘them’ or even ME.  Since trinitarians admit that the trinity is not God itself, aren’t trinitarians worshipping ‘gods’?  None of them worship <strong>God the Father alone</strong> who Jesus claims to <strong>be the only true God</strong> in (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/john/17/#v43017003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 17:3</a>)  Jesus Christ continues, “Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the <strong>true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth</strong>, for indeed, <strong>the Father is looking for ones like these to worship HIM.</strong>” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/john/4/#v43004023" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 4:23</a>)</p><p><br /></p><p>According to Jesus, <strong>only the Father was to be worshipped,</strong> not a trinity of ‘gods’.  Jesus made his Father’s Name known to his disciples. “I have made <strong>Your Name Manifest</strong> to the men whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours, and you gave them to me, and they have observed your word.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/john/17/#v43017006" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 17:6</a>)  Jesus even went as far to teach his disciples to pray this way: <strong>“Our Father in the heavens, let Your Name be sanctified.” </strong></p><p><br /></p><p>If you take a closer look at the trinity doctrine, NONE of the Persons have a NAME.  <strong>It’s a Generic Formula borrowed from Pagan Worship. </strong>Trinitarians shout and yell that, Jesus is God.  But the <em>trinity itself</em>  <strong>simply doesn’t give witness about Jesus Christ</strong>. When asked to show the doctrine they often turn red and say that I must simply believe them.  Then I ask, since the trinity doesn’t state that Jesus is God, show one scripture that states that. They hee and haw in frustration and begin<strong> to taunt and curse</strong> not able to find a single verse. You won’t find <strong>God the Son or God the Holy Spirit in the Bible</strong> because it simply isn’t.  There is a HUGE difference from God the Son and the <strong>Son of God</strong>.  If Jesus is the son of God, then whose Son is he?  The trinity doesn’t have three sons does it?  </p><p><br /></p><p>Jesus is not the only person to give witness about his God and Father.  The Apostles would greet one another with a similar phrase.  “Praised be <strong>the God and Father</strong> of our Lord Jesus Christ,” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/1-peter/1/#v60001003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 Peter 1:3</a>)   The trinity omits the Name of Christ and <strong>refuses to acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh.</strong>  Matter of fact, here is what the scriptures state about those not acknowledging Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. “For <strong>many deceivers</strong> have gone out into the world, those <strong>not acknowledging Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh.</strong> This is the deceiver and the antichrist.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/2-john/1/#v63001007" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">2 John 7</a>)  </p><p><br /></p><p>In Ancient times, <strong>the trinity was symbolized by three snakes,</strong> each snake would chase its own tail looking like <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/what-does-666-mean/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the number 666</a>.   “And it was permitted to give breath to the image of the wild beast, so that <strong>the image of the wild beast should both speak and cause to be killed all those who refuse to worship the image of the wild beast.” (</strong><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/13/#v66013015" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>Rev 13:15</strong></a><strong>) </strong></p><p><strong> </strong></p><p><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/g201102/Who-Is-Really-Behind-the-Occult/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">The trinity is the Biggest Occult ever</a>, with a Worldwide membership of <strong>2.8 Billion People and growing! </strong> Mankind who are both weak or strong, slave or king, such ones march in the streets to protest.  <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/2-thessalonians/2/#v53002004" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">They place themselves above others claiming they have rights that no one else can have. </a> They proclaim they even have the right to end life, should they carry a life inside them. <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/genesis/3/#v1003004-v1003005" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">They make themselves like God in know good and bad</a>, and others have to bend their knee to their superiority.  (Read <a href="https://www.bible.com/bible/111/2TI.3.1-5.niv#" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">2 Timothy 3:1-5</a>)</p><p><br /></p><p>“For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, <strong>there remains no more sacrifice for sins,” (</strong><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/hebrews/10/#v58010026" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>Hebrews 10:26</strong></a><strong>)  </strong>Feel free to contact me if you wish to leave the occult of the trinity.  There is <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/online-lessons/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">HELP</a>.</p>]]>
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        <title>Biblical Cults: Who Are They?</title>
        <link>https://christiandiscourse.net/index.php?p=/discussion/317/biblical-cults-who-are-they</link>
        <pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2018 20:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Biblical Studies</category>
        <dc:creator>C Mc</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>The Apostle Paul and the early church dealt with many problems and influences, were there cohesive bodies of people behind and around certain teachings and influences? The question begs to be asked, were their cults in the Bible? What is a cult? Let's not read today's definitions of cults back into the Bible. How did the Bible define them? What groups in the Bible can you identify as cults? What are their teachings and influences on the people of God? Are cults and heresies the same? Were there cults in the Bible with or under other names? Getting a handle on these groups will help one to understand the Bible and its interpretations. CM</p>
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