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        <title>Creator and Savior — Christian Debate</title>
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        <title>Jesus: Creator and Savior</title>
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        <pubDate>Fri, 12 Apr 2019 16:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>C Mc</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>In Col 1:15-20, Paul records focusing on Jesus Christ. It is considered one of the most outstanding christological hymns in the NT:</p><div><div><p>He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by Him all things were created, <strong><em>both</em></strong><em> </em>in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. For it was the <strong><em>Father's</em></strong><em> </em>good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross.</p></div></div><p>God created everything including humanity. It took only a few days to be completed. The fall changed not only humanity's relationship with God and introduced death to creation, but also altered the entire ecosystem.</p><p><strong>The OT points</strong> to Christ as the creator in a hidden way: e.g. the plural in Gen. 1:26 and wisdom in Prov. 8. </p><p>In <strong>the NT makes </strong>clear that<strong> Jesus Christ, fully human and fully divine</strong>, is the <strong>creator of all thing</strong>s—John 1:3; Col 1:15-16; Heb. 1: 2,10. These texts <strong>exclude Jesus from the realm of created beings:</strong></p><ul><li>Jesus brings about salvation. </li><li>Created humankind and has a personal interest in each human being.  </li><li>The cosmic perspective is spelled out quite clearly in the NT.</li><li><strong>Jesus' own statements about creation:</strong>  </li></ul><pre spellcheck="false" tabindex="0">      -- Sabbath was made for humanity (Mark 2:27-28).
      -- He confirmed the creation account: "from the beginning of creation, God made them male   and female. For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother, and the two shall become one flesh" (Mark 10:6-8). 
      -- Jesus talked about "the creation that God created" (Mark 13:19). 
     -- He also mentioned Abel, the son of Adam of Eve and understood him to be an actual person  that lived on earth (Matt 23:35).
</pre><p>The NT authors connected <strong>creation, fall, and salvation</strong>. One is dependent on the other. CM</p>]]>
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