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        <title>The Final Phase of Christ's Presence soon to be revealed...</title>
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<p>When studying prophecy I have encountered a common denominator. The revealing of prophecy comes with a process. I have not yet come across a single prophecy that has occurred in an immediate fashion but rather in a slow revelation. (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/l/r1/lp-e?q=Matthew+24%3A29-31" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:29-31</a>) The phrase 'the tribulation of <em>those days</em>' refers to 'a<em> time of trouble</em>' or Last Days. Aren't these last days dark with <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024008" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">pangs of distress</a>? This <em>allotment of troubled times</em> is a <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/bible-glossary/conclusion-system-of-things/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Conclusion of a System of things</a>. The End of the Gentile times in 1914 ushered in the Last Days. There was an Arabic term used in Biblical times when a Ruler fell from grace, the term used was <strong><em>'His Heaven has Fallen!</em></strong>" The effects would be felt by <strong><em>all the inhabitants</em></strong> of the earth. The scripture gives us some very detailed information as the scripture ends with, 'the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.' (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024029" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:29</a>) <em>It's Spiritual </em>and these signs or (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/8/#v66008013" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">woes</a>) have been occurring since 1914, the year Satan and his hordes were hurled out of Heaven onto the earth. Each of the three woes consist of <strong>a period of 40 years of refinement.</strong> "Woe, woe, woe to those dwelling on the earth" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/8/#v66008013" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 8:13</a>)</p><p>As this third and final woe comes to its' end, Jesus will quietly begin to separate the faithful. The sudden appearance of the Great Crowd begins to be renewed and restored physically as they begin to outlive the wicked as they gain insight. (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/bl/r1/lp-e?q=daniel%2012%3A9-10" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Daniel 12: 9-10</a>) The wicked? Well, they have No Understanding at All. Not knowing which way is up or down. They become deaf, dumb, and stupid to <em>the truth BEFORE</em> they die the second death. In some cases, those who become so animalistic to do harm to the righteous may experience a sudden death in the manner of a <a href="https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/expedite#:~:text=1,%3A%20speed%20up" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">expedited removal </a>of such ones. This will be a warning to the remaining ones as their life slowly ebbs away.</p><p>The following verse states, 'Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven'. That sign began in 1914 <strong>causing all the tribes of the earth to beat themselves in grief</strong>, including those who are rightly disposed for everlasting life, even those whom are anointed are not immune to Satan's woes upon the earth. "For just as the lightning comes out of the east and shines over to the west, so the Presence of the Son of man will be." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024027" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:27</a>) What is that sign? The four horsemen that ride, all have work to do. These <strong>four horsemen</strong> are part of that <a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2005721" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Composite Sign</a> spoken of in Jesus' answer to the question, “Tell us, when will these things be, and <em>what will be the sign </em>of your Presence and of the Conclusion of the system of things?” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:3</a>) They give evidence of Christ's Presence as the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and glory.</p><p>Christ 'will send out his angels with a great trumpet sound,' but what is the purpose? 'They will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds'. "<em>The Lord himself</em> will descend from heaven with <strong>a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet</strong>, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/1-thessalonians/4/#v52004016" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 Thess 4:16</a>) This prophecy was first spoken of at (<a href="https://www.brorando.com/post/a-new-world-approaches" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Daniel 12:1-2</a>) "Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, <strong>until after we have sealed the slaves of our God</strong> in their foreheads.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/7/#v66007003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 7:3</a>) "And I heard the number of those who were sealed, 144,000" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/7/#v66007004" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 7:4</a>)</p><p>The completion of the sealing of the 144,000 paves the way for the Last Days to come to their end. With that, the (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024008" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">pangs of distress</a>) quietly come to their end for those rightly disposed for everlasting life, <strong>the Great Crowd</strong>. This very well could be the event that brings the Pollical Kings together proclaiming peace and security. "Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them, just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/1-thessalonians/5/#v52005003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 Thessalonians 5:3</a>)</p><p>However, once the Last Days come to their end, the ones who are deceived by the Kings of Gog of Magog by <em>refusing to give Jehovah and his Anointed One credit</em> will begin dying a death of everlasting destruction, the second death with no hope of a resurrection. They die forever in the manner of Adam and Eve. However, as they die off without knowing of such, they do eventually begin to witness a wonderous phenomenon that positively provides undeniable proof of Christ's Presence as our Brothers and Sisters begin to Receive the Blessings of Jehovah's Kingdom Government. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/daniel/2/#v27002044" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Daniel 2:44</a>) This Revelation is the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory!</p><p>The Final Phase of Christ's Presence will <strong>Slowly Be Revealed as a Witness for All to SEE.</strong> The wicked will <strong>lament </strong>at seeing our Brothers and Sisters getting healthier as each day passes.</p><ul><li>"He forgives all your errors And heals all your ailments; He reclaims your life from the pit And crowns you with his loyal love and mercy. He satisfies you with good things all your life, So that your youth is renewed like that of an eagle." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/psalms/103/#v19103003-v19103005" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Psalm 103:3-5</a>)</li><li>"Let his flesh become fresher than in youth; Let him return to the days of his youthful vigor." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/job/33/#v18033025" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Job 33:25</a>)</li></ul><p>Once the wicked recognize <strong><em>the Reality</em></strong> that they are dying of sickness and old age, they will look for a faster way to die themselves. "In those days people will seek death but will by no means find it, and they will long to die, but death will flee from them." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/9/#v66009006" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 9:6</a>) The death they die will be a Slow one, so don't feel sorry for such ones who hate God's Holy Name with slander. They holler and scream with <a href="https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vitriol#:~:text=1,language%20or%20criticism" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>vitriol vile</strong></a> as they are tormented day and night at SEEING faithful brothers and sisters out live them becoming perfect in health little by little. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/exodus/23/#v2023030" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Exodus 23:30</a>) The sacred secret about <strong>the Great Tribulation</strong> that begins soon after<em> the Conclusion of the Last Days </em>is that it doesn't affect everyone, like <em>the tribulation of those days that began in 1914, </em>but <strong>only the wicked!</strong></p><p>Soon, very soon, Jehovah's Witnesses will end New Bible Studies and walk away from those who Jesus Christ has deemed hypocrites in (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/2-timothy/3/#v55003001-v55003005" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>2 Timothy 3:1-5</strong></a>). This phenomenal display will prove to be too much for the wicked who reviled your faith as they witness your vitality of unbounding health and happiness. "<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/awake-no1-2020-mar-apr/stress-free-life-possible/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Look! My servants will shout joyfully because of the good condition of the heart,</a> But you will cry out because of the pain of heart And you will wail because of a broken spirit." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/isaiah/65/#v23065014" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Isaiah 65:14</a>)</p>]]>
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        <title>What is so special about the decade of the 2030's?</title>
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        <pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2024 02:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>The Ruler of this World will have reached his <a href="https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pinnacle#:~:text=3,or%20achievement%20%3A" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Pinnacle</a> to have his Nations united in cause to spew mankind's <a href="https://sdgs.un.org/2030agenda" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Biggest Lie of Propaganda</a> that the world has ever heard.</p><p>Satan has offered these nations of  his kingdom/governments to Jesus Christ some 2,000 years ago, if only Jesus would simply do an act of worship towards him. </p><p>What was Jesus' response to Satan? Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/4/#v40004010" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matt 4:10</a>)</p><p>The Bible calls Jesus Christ the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God at (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/3/#v66003014" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 3:14</a>). Ever since <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/ebtv/world-changed-since-1914/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1914</a> the Bible informs mankind, "Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing that he has a short period of time.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/12/#v66012012" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 12:12</a>) Satan has been gathering the nations and desperately trying to unite them ever since <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/mediaitems/VODMinistryImproveSkills/pub-jwbkm_201410_1_VIDEO" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1914</a>. Even though all the earthly nations are under Satan's Rule, they are still fragmented and at war with one another to gain possession of land, riches, wealth, and influence over other competing nations. <strong>Very soon these same nations will turn in a blink of an eye from fighting to declaring peace with one another.</strong> At that very moment one could apply these prophecies:</p><ul><li>Let the one who is unrighteous continue in unrighteousness, and let the filthy one continue in his filth; but let the righteous one continue in righteousness, and let the holy one continue in holiness. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/22/#v66022011" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 22:11</a>)</li><li> Now as for the times and the seasons, brothers, you need nothing to be written to you.  For you yourselves know very well that Jehovah’s day is coming exactly as a thief in the night. <strong>Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them, just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape.</strong> (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/1-thessalonians/5/#v52005001-v52005003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 Thess 5:1-3</a>)</li><li>All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/25/#v40025032" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 25:32</a>)</li></ul><p>The following 'timed events' are fulfilments of various prophecies that reveal the Son of Man's Presence. But (many) will not see. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024037" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:37</a>)</p><ul><li>2030</li><li>2033</li><li>2034</li><li>2039</li></ul><p>When these 'timed events' come and go, then those who are remaining to be sifted and sorted will begin to say, "Where is this promised presence of his?" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/2-peter/3/#v61003004" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">2 Peter 3:4</a>)  For the vision is yet for its appointed time, And it is rushing toward its end, and it will not lie. Even if it should delay, keep in expectation of it! For it will without fail come true. It will not be late! (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/habakkuk/2/#v35002003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Habakkuk 2:3</a>)</p><p>Would you like to learn more about the Bible and its precious truths it holds for you?  This is Your Personal Invitation as Jesus Christ is gathering the things in heaven and upon the earth.</p><h5><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">JW.org  </a></h5><p><br /></p>]]>
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<p>If you haven't gained understanding of <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:3</a>, you are not alone. Jesus Christ response to the question of 'when' was, "Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024036" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew24:36</a>) This Greek Word <em>parousia</em> literally means 'being alongside' and alludes to <a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1001060093" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Christ's Presence</a> <em>covering a period of time </em>as to “<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/genesis/6/#v1006003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the Days of Noah</a> Before the Flood would occur.” Jesus compared this specific time period to “the Presence of the Son of man” at (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024037" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:37</a>).</p><p>The Question the four disciples put to Jesus was in two parts. One, to <em>His Presence </em>which he did not know personally. And second, to the conclusion of the system of things of which he answered, "Look out that nobody misleads you.. You are going to hear of wars and reports of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for these things must take place, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress." (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/l/r1/lp-e?q=Matthew+24%3A4-8" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:4-8</a>)</p><p>WTS quote - (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101973021?q=1876&amp;p=par#:~:text=it%20was%20called-,%E2%80%9CBible%20Examiner.%E2%80%9D,-In%20the%20year" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Bible Examiner</a>) - In the year 1876 the twenty-four-year-old Russell made a contribution on the subject to this magazine.  It was published in Volume XXI, Number 1, which was the issue of October, 1876. On pages 27, 28 of that issue Russell’s article was published under the title “Gentile Times: When Do They End?” In that article (page 27) Russell said: “The seven times will end in A.D. 1914.”- End of WTS Quote.</p><p>Brother Russell wrote: "'<strong>The Earth Abideth Foreve</strong>r' Christ will not return to Earth as a Man - Present Year Believed to Mark Great Change of Dispensation, but World May not discern Immediate Difference." <strong>The Bible Students Monthly</strong>,<strong> January, 1914.</strong></p><ul><li>"Our Lord, in describing His Second Presence, clearly indicated that it would be unnoticed by the world until the cataclysm of trouble should come. Thus He likened the earlier days of His presence to <strong><em>that period before the Flood</em></strong>, when the world, unconscious of the impending catastrophe, continued to build, eat and drink as usual, and knew not. So, says the Master, it will be in the end of this Age. Eating, drinking, building, planting and marrying will proceed as usual; and the world will not know that they are in the <strong>PRESENCE of the Son of Man.</strong>"</li><li>He continues, "The Bible nowhere tells that Jesus took the human nature to keep it forever, and to return with it to Heaven, where it would be completely out of order and out of place. The Bible teaches, on the contrary, that "flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God" (1 Cor 15:50); and that Jesus was made flesh merely 'that He, by the grace of God, should taste death for every man' (Heb 2:9) and that after doing this work He would "ascend up where He was before." (John 6:62)  <strong>The great Day of Trouble, noted throughout the Scriptures as the Time of Trouble such as never was since there was a nation, will come upon them suddenly.</strong>" (Matthew 24:21)</li><li>"Then, later on, will come <strong>the Epiphania</strong>; that is to say, <strong>the revelation, or manifestation, of the present One.</strong> This will not be a manifestation in the flesh, but in <strong>a great Time of Trouble, symbolically represented as fire,</strong> as when we read, "He shall be revealed in flaming fire, taking vengeance." -- 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10.</li></ul><p>International Bible Students Association: "Nevertheless, when viewed from God’s standpoint, we are still “shortly after” 1914.  Although Russell himself did not think <strong>the time of trouble </strong>would be this long, he did allow that it could be. <strong>It is possible that the time allotted for this period is 120 years (1914+120=2034)</strong>, but that these days will be “cut short” some time before they are allowed to reach their end. We do not put this forth as a “prophecy”, nor would we feel anything was wrong if 2034 came and went and nothing had happened as far the full binding of Satan and the destruction of his empire is concerned. All things are in God’s hands."  </p><p>We are now fast approaching the second part of the Question Of Matthew 24:3 "... and of the <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/bible-glossary/conclusion-system-of-things/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">conclusion of the system of things?</a>" </p><ul><li>The great day of Jehovah is near! It is near and it is approaching very quickly! The sound of the day of Jehovah is bitter. There a warrior cries out. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/zephaniah/1/#v36001014" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Zephaniah 1:14</a>) </li><li>In that day Jehovah will turn his attention to the army of the heights above And to the kings of the earth upon the earth. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/isaiah/24/#v23024021" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Isaiah 24:21</a>)</li><li>And they must be ready for the third day, because on the third day Jehovah will come down upon Mount Sinai before the eyes of all the people. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/exodus/19/#v2019011" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Exodus 19:11</a>)</li><li>Therefore, watch yourselves closely—since you did not see any form on the day Jehovah spoke to you in Horeb out of the middle of the fire— (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/deuteronomy/4/#v5004015" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Deuteronomy 4:15</a>) </li></ul><p>The pangs of distress upon the earth that began in 1914 do have an ending to them as in the Days of Noah. When the Last Days of Distress end, then the earthly kings will declare “Peace and security!” But which side will YOU be on in that day? </p><p>As far back as 1880 the <em>Watchtower</em> magazine declared that <a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1954881#:~:text=But%20now%2C%20how,the%20end%E2%80%9D%20began" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1914 would mark the end of the “Gentile times.” </a> Better times are head of us <strong>when </strong><a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1984483#:~:text=Does%20this%20ancient,45%2D47" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>the age of violence</strong></a><strong> is brought to its' end. </strong></p><ul><li>Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them, just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/1-thessalonians/5/#v52005003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 Thessalonians 5:3</a>)</li><li>As <a href="https://www.brorando.com/post/2034-and-its-significance" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">2034</a> comes and goes <a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/201999001?#:~:text=See%20More-,%E2%80%9CExercise%20Patience%E2%80%9D,reward%20you%20for%20your%20hard%20work.%E2%80%8B%E2%80%94Heb.%206%3A10%2D12.,-English" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Exercise Patience</a> and Do Not Look Back! Remember Lot's Wife!</li></ul>]]>
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        <title>The 144,000... when are they chosen and sealed?</title>
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        <pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2023 11:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Biblical Studies</category>
        <dc:creator>Brother Rando</dc:creator>
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<p>Brother Rando is a student of Prophecy and one of Jehovah's Witnesses. His interests are directed towards how the time of the end would come about. His Goal is to educate the public that Jehovah Witnesses have accepted the Sacrifice in Christ, whose Blood was shed for many as a ransom and exercise faith in 'Jesus Christ' for salvation. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/romans/10/#v45010009" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Romans 10:9</a>)</p><p>As a student of Prophecy, the passing of time often reveals the specific timing of such divine declarations. The Prophets that announced them do not always <strong>know the exact timing.  </strong>The Sealing of the 144,000 is now at hand. Another<em> timed event</em> that needs no guess work. Jesus replied to them: “Tear down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/john/2/#v43002019" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 2:19</a>) The Bible points out that Jesus was not talking about the temple made with hands, “But he was talking about <strong>the temple of his body</strong>.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/john/2/#v43002021" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 2:21</a>)  </p><p>Could the temple of his body be the 144,000 of his anointed followers also known as the <a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200021878" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Body of Christ</a>?  If the "the temple of Christ's Body" is not made with hands and Jesus was to sacrifice his Flesh, once for all time, then taking back<em> his fleshly body </em>would void his Father's Will.  (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/1-peter/3/#v60003018" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 Peter 2:18</a>)  The scriptures do indicate some insight to what he meant,  "But he was talking about <strong>the temple of his body.</strong>" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/john/2/#v43002021" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 2:21</a>)  Notice the scripture doesn't state his<em> fleshly body </em>for his fleshly body was to be sacrificed once and for all time<em>,</em> but rather<strong> 'the temple of his body.' </strong></p><p>Once the temple is raised up, then <strong>we could expect to enter into Christ’s Millennial Reign in the third day.  </strong>That time of (three physical days) has gone and passed almost two thousand years ago and Christ's Millennial Reign has not yet taken place. Today, we see that the World is engulfed in hatred and greed and <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-no3-2017-may/who-are-the-four-horsemen/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the signs or manifestations</a> happening today are causing <strong>all of the tribes of the earth</strong> to beat themselves in lamentation or grief. People are looking for a way out. </p><p>The Apostle Peter referred to the temple by stating, "As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but chosen, precious to God, <strong>you yourselves as living stones are being built up into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood,</strong> in order to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/1-peter/2/#v60002004-v60002005" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 Peter 2:4-5</a>) </p><p>The scripture by the Apostle Paul also gives us evidence that <strong><em>others </em></strong><em>are also included as God’s temple</em> that Jesus Christ himself would raise up. "Do you not know that <strong>you yourselves are God’s temple </strong>and that the spirit of God dwells in you? (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/1-corinthians/3/#v46003016" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 Corinthians 3:16</a>)  Again, this did not happen in a 72 hour period but rather the process of raising up the foundation of the living stones began on Pentecost 33 CE.  Can the Body of Christ be the same as God’s temple? Yes. “Just as the body is one but has many members, and all the members of that body, although many, are one body, so too is the Christ.”​ (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/1-corinthians/12/#v46012012" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 Cor 12:12</a>) </p><p>Jesus could have stated (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/john/2/#v43002019" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 2:19</a>) in several ways.</p><ul><li>in three days</li><li>on the third day</li><li>after two days</li></ul><p>The question of how long a day is listed in the scriptures for all to see. "However, do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that <strong>one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years</strong> and a thousand years as one day." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/2-peter/3/#v61003008" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">2 Peter 3:8</a>)  33CE + 2,000 yrs = 2033</p><p>So when can expect the 144,000 of God’s temple to be raised up? "He will revive us <strong>after two days. On the third day</strong> he will raise us up, And we will live before him." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/hosea/6/#v28006002" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Hosea 6:2</a>)  </p><p>The <strong>Body of Christ</strong> began to be collected on Pentecost 33 CE and will continue for two days of 1,000 years each before the third day begins <strong>2034</strong>. 33CE + 2,000 yrs = 2033 You won't find 2034 in the Bible, but you won't find 33 CE either.  Yet, 33 CE was a 'timed event' that comes from the <strong>Messiah being cut off in the middle of that 70th week </strong>and Pentecost followed 50 days later.  They looked with their eyes but they could not see. "Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until after we have sealed the slaves of our God in their foreheads.”(Rev 7:3)</p><p>We also get 1914 from the book of Daniel which was another 'timed event' that occurred about the time allotted for Gentile Rule. In the Book of Daniel, Bible Prophecy pointed to a specific time period. Taking the time limit of 2,520 years and adding them to the time of destruction of the temple in Jerusalem 607 BCE, the timing lined up to the year <a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101988018?q=1914+Foreseen&amp;p=par" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1914 CE.</a> </p><p>The timing of the 144,000 being chosen, seems to line up with the conclusion of the Last Days in 2034.  When you add the time limit for the Last Days of Noah to the Last Days of this Age, what year keeps popping up?  1914 + 120 yrs =<a href="https://www.brorando.com/post/2034-and-its-significance" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"> 2034</a>  </p><p><strong>The Fulfillment of Prophecies are 'timed events'.  </strong>They have a Beginning and an End to them which covers a specific time period. Knowing such dates of a prophecy once revealed to those who are being ministered to, <em>does not necessarily beget salvation.</em> It doesn't give a person divine protection or extraordinary insight but it may make a person more accountable to Jehovah for not warning others.”  </p><p>One would need to continue walking by faith...  <strong>Better times lay ahead of us, but not for everyone.</strong> “Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until after we have sealed the slaves of our God in their foreheads.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/7/#v66007003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 7:3</a>)</p><p>Notice that harm to the earth, sea, or trees are being withheld until<strong> after</strong> we have sealed the slaves of our God in their foreheads. This is in reference to sealing of the 144,000 which are representatives of God’s temple, the Body of Christ, New Jerusalem, Christ’s Brothers, and even the Bride of Christ. All are one in the same. </p><p>Once the total number of the 144,000 are sealed,<strong> then a colossal number of other prophecies begin to become fulfilled.</strong> “I will make my holy name known among my people Israel, and I will not allow my holy name to be profaned any longer; and the nations will have to know that I am Jehovah, the Holy One in Israel.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/ezekiel/39/#v26039007" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Ezekiel 39:7</a>) </p><p>Since these things are undergoing spiritual fulfillment, the Bible warns us that "Jehovah’s day will come as a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar, but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be exposed." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/2-peter/3/#v61003010" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">2 Peter 3:10</a>) </p><p>"For the vision is yet for its appointed time, And it is rushing toward its end, and it will not lie. Even if it should delay, keep in expectation of it! For it will without fail come true. It will not be late!" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/habakkuk/2/#v35002003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Habakkuk </a>2:3)</p>]]>
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        <title>Time of trouble was foretold to the World since 1876 by Brother Russell...</title>
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        <pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2022 21:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Biblical Studies</category>
        <dc:creator>Brother Rando</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>"As early as in the year<strong> </strong><a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1983366#:~:text=As%20early%20as%20in%20the%20year%201876%2C%20in%20an%20article%20that%20he%20submitted%20for%20publishing%20in%20The%20Bible%20Examiner%2C%20the%20president%20had%20pointed%20forward%20to%201914%20as%20the%20date%20for%20%E2%80%9Cthe%20times%20of%20the%20Gentiles%E2%80%9D%20to%20end%2C%20with%20serious%20consequences%20for%20the%20whole%20world%20of%20mankind" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>1876</strong></a>, in an article that he submitted for publishing in The Bible Examiner, the president had pointed forward to 1914 as the date for “the times of the Gentiles” to end, with serious consequences for the whole world of mankind."</p><p>Back in 1876, only a few people were listening. A good number left his Bible study group. However, has time was getting closer then more started to gain understanding. In the Bible Students Monthly, on January, 1914, Brother Russell wrote: "'The Earth Abideth Forever' Christ will not return to Earth as a Man - Present Year Believed to Mark Great Change of Dispensation, but World May not discern Immediate Difference."</p><p>"Our Lord, in describing <strong><em>His Second Presence</em></strong>, clearly indicated that it would be unnoticed by the world until the cataclysm of trouble should come. Thus He likened the earlier days of His presence to <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/genesis/6/#v1006003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">that period before the Flood</a>, when the world, unconscious of the impending catastrophe, continued to build, eat and drink as usual, and knew not. So, says the Master, it will be in the end of this Age. Eating, drinking, building, planting and marrying will proceed as usual; and the world will not know that they are in the PRESENCE of the Son of Man."</p><p>And we seen evidence of this even in 2022 on this very board. They reject and deny that the Last Days have begun. When we preach and let people know we are now at the end of this period, people scoff and ridicule us, majority of those being religious hypocrites! Denying the very Name of JEHOVAH or sat <a href="https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/idly" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">idly</a> by while apostates were slandering. </p><p>Notice he didn't write Second Coming, but rather 'Second Presence'? Brother Russell was speaking of Christ's PAROUSIA--PRESENCE. He continues, "The Bible nowhere tells that Jesus took the human nature to keep it forever, and to return with it to Heaven, where it would be completely out of order and out of place. The Bible teaches, on the contrary, that "flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God" (1 Cor 15:50); and that Jesus was made flesh merely 'that He, by the grace of God, should taste death for every man' (Heb 2:9) and that after doing this work He would "ascend up where He was before." (John 6:62) The great Day of Trouble, noted throughout the Scriptures as the Time of Trouble such as never was since there was a nation, will come upon them suddenly."</p><div>
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        <title>Armageddon comes in two phases...</title>
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        <pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2022 12:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Brother Rando</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<h5><a href="https://www.brorando.com/post/armageddon-comes-in-two-phases" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>Armageddon comes in two phases...</strong></a></h5><p><br /></p><div>
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<p><br /></p><p>Most have not yet gained the understanding that Armageddon begins as a <strong>Spiritual Event and then Ends as a Literal One</strong>.  The Last Days are cut short in the sense that Gog of Magog's Attack on God's Named People are <strong>stifled and held in check</strong>,  and 'they will not cause any harm or any ruin in all my holy mountain'.  (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/isaiah/11/#v23011009" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Isaiah 11:9</a>)   This EVENT could very well last 1,000 years while Satan and his demons are put in a deathlike state of inactivity. <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/pure-worship/teaching-boxes/times-of-restoration-of-all-things/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">ARMAGEDDON</a> is the beginning of Christ’s Millennial Reign. The Great Crowd enters“ the times of restoration of all things” that expands to include <strong>physical blessings for faithful humans on earth.  </strong>These one's keep on living as they come out of <a href="https://www.brorando.com/post/the-last-days-that-began-in-1914-are-now-coming-to-their-end" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the Last Days</a> as Survivors.  The wicked continue getting sick, growing old, and continue dying off.  Their death is no longer a temporary death, but rather a permanent one called the second death of an everlasting destruction.  Like <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/jude/1/#v65001007" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Sodom and Gomorrah</a>  which was destroyed... those dying are destroyed forever never to return to Life. </p><p>One should note, that before the cry of "Peace and Security!" can happen, Jesus has already judged the living.  Therefore, this demonic cry is a '<em>timed event</em>'.  The time of <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/return-to-jehovah/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">REPENTANCE</a> for the living has ended.  "Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them, just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/1-thessalonians/5/#v52005003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 Thess 5:3</a>)   Satan will witness the destruction of Babylon the Great with Frantic Rage as<a href="https://www.brorando.com/post/the-great-tribulation-what-is-it" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"> the Great Tribulation</a> begins.  It's at that very moment Jesus will act.  "And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven with the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand.  He seized the dragon, the original serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for 1,000 years."  </p><p>Then comes the removal of Satan's system of things which is symbolized by <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/daniel/2/#v27002044" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">crushing</a>, <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/ezekiel/9/#v26009001-v26009002" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">smashing,</a> and <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/2-peter/3/#v61003010" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">fire</a> meaning that it is being destroyed by everlasting destruction, never to be rebuilt.  Even though many have claimed in the past that (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/daniel/2/#v27002044" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Daniel 2:44</a>) began in <a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1984280#:~:text=the%20beginning%20of%20the%20worst%20time%20of%20trouble%20the%20earth%20had%20yet%20known" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1914</a>.  It has not. This scripture actually points to the destruction of Satan's Earthly Kingdoms, the beginning of <em>the first phase</em> of Armageddon. </p><p>"And I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your offspring and her offspring. <em>He will crush your head,</em> and you will strike him in the heel.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/genesis/3/#v1003015" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Genesis 3:15</a>)  The crushing of Satan's head that the Glorified Jesus Christ does, is a deathlike blow of inactivity for the 1,000 years for Satan and his demons of being abyssed. </p><p>As for <em>the second phase</em> of Armageddon, it too is a<em> 'timed event'.  </em>Once Jesus and the 144,000 bring mankind including those resurrected to perfection as Adam and Eve had in the Garden of Eden prior to sinning. Perfect Mankind will have the Opportunity to prove their Loyalty to Jehovah in a Perfect State.  It is at this time, Jesus hands the Kingdom back to his God and Father before <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/pure-worship/teaching-boxes/mankind-faces-final-test/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the Final Test.</a> </p><ul><li>Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/1-corinthians/15/#v46015024" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 Cor 15:24</a>)</li><li>Now as soon as the 1,000 years have ended, Satan will be released from his prison, (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/20/#v66020007" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 20:7</a>)</li><li> and he will go out to mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Maʹgog, to <em>gather them together for the war.</em> The number of these is as the sand of the sea. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/20/#v66020008" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 20:8</a>)</li></ul><p><em>The second Phase</em> of Armageddon will be literal for all to see and witness. But who is the one that will be destroying Satan, his demons and his supporters?  JEHOVAH.</p><ul><li>And they advanced over the whole earth and encircled the camp of the holy ones and the beloved city. But fire came down out of heaven and consumed them. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/20/#v66020009" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 20:9</a>)</li><li>And the Devil who was misleading them was hurled into the lake of fire and sulfur, where both the wild beast and the false prophet <em>already were</em>; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/20/#v66020010" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 20:10</a>)</li></ul><p><br /></p>]]>
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        <pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2022 00:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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</div><p>2034 has a dual significance of several Bible Prophecies that will begin to unfold in the near future.  One of those prophecies are in response to the '<strong>short period of time'</strong> Satan has, known as the Last Days.  "Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing that he has <strong>a short period of time.</strong>" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/12/#v66012012" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 12:12</a>)  2034 doesn't represent the beginning of this period but rather <strong>the end of it.  </strong></p><p><a href="https://www.brorando.com/post/the-last-days-when" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">The Last Days</a> would come to a close as the allotted time is exhausted giving a full witness to the earth's inhabitants. "And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then<strong> the end will come.</strong>" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024014" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:14</a>)  </p><p>That End is not the end of the world, but rather <strong>the End of an Age of Wickedness.   </strong>An Explanation from The Watchtower Magazine, December 15, 2003, Pages 14 - 19 entitled <strong> "</strong><a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2003923?q=Warned+of+%E2%80%9CThings+Not+Yet+Beheld%E2%80%9D&amp;p=par" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>Warned of “Things Not Yet Beheld”</strong></a><strong>  </strong> The issuance of this divine decree in 2490 B.C.E. marked the beginning of the end for that ungodly world. Just think what that meant for those then living! <strong>Only 120 years more </strong>and Jehovah would bring “the deluge of waters upon the earth to bring to ruin all flesh.  What about us? Some 90 years have passed <strong>since the last days of this system of things began in 1914.</strong> We are certainly in “the time of the end.” (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/bc/r1/lp-e/2003923/11/0" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Daniel 12:4</a>)  </p><p>The short period of time would not be an exhaustive amount of time that would seem to go on and on and on.  The Scriptures point out that Satan recognizes that this allotment of time to be <strong>a short period of time.  </strong>2034 would not only represent <strong>the end</strong> of Satan's Wicked Rule, but would also mark Christ Millennial Reign poised to begin.  Therefore, it makes sense that <a href="https://www.brorando.com/post/the-sealing-of-the-144-000" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the Sealing of the 144,000</a> would be completed prior to the end of the Last Days in 2034.</p><p>2034 is not an end all date, by this time Satan and his demons will have gathered the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/16/#v66016014" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 16:14</a>)  A host of other prophecies begin to emerge.  For instance, the separation work of the sheep and goats begin.  Jesus would grant Life to <a href="https://www.brorando.com/post/the-great-crowd-soon-to-appear" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the Great Crowd</a> of whom he chooses as his sheep.  They would be marked to be Survivors during <a href="https://www.brorando.com/post/the-great-tribulation-or-a-tribulation" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the short respite period of peace</a>.  </p><p>They simply continue living during the condition or situation of Armageddon that forms at (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/psalms/2/#v19002002" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Psalms 2:2</a>)  and (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/1-thessalonians/5/#v52005003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 Thessalonians 5:3</a>) and become Survivors of <a href="https://www.brorando.com/post/the-last-days-when" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the Last Days</a>.</p>]]>
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        <title>The Faithful and Discreet Slave...</title>
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        <pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2021 06:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Brother Rando</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<h5><a href="https://www.brorando.com/post/the-faithful-and-discreet-slave" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>The Faithful and Discreet Slave...</strong></a></h5><p>In response to the apostles questions concerning Jesus Christ's future and second presence during the conclusion of the system of things, Jesus Christ gave an illustration, dealing with a “faithful and discreet slave.”  The master would appoint his steward over his household servants also known as his domestics, heavenly and earthly.  </p><p>Since <strong>the full limit of the appointed times</strong> was yet in the future and is still in progress, we can now apply that administration to the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, also known as the Faithful and Discreet Slave.  We now know through the manifestation of prophecies that <strong>the full limit of the appointed times </strong>is coming to its conclusion.  </p><p>Let's take a closer look at how this is unfolding in our day:  <em>"He will revive us after two days</em>. <strong>On the third day he will raise us up, And we will live before him. </strong> We will know, we will earnestly seek to know Jehovah. His going out is as certain as the dawn; He will come to us like a pouring rain, Like a spring rain that saturates the earth." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/hosea/6/#v28006002" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Hosea 6:2-3</a>) </p><p>Just as Jesus Christ was raised up on the third day <em>in the beginning</em> of that third day, 'the dawn' -- we can be in great anticipation of our dear brothers to be summoned to heaven.  Notice <em>the timing </em>from this verse:   "However, do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that <strong>one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.</strong>" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/2-peter/3/#v61003008" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">2 Peter 3:8</a>) </p><p>Can we apply (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/hosea/6/#v28006002" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Hosea 6:2-3</a>) and (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/2-peter/3/#v61003008" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">2 Peter 3:8</a>)  to <em>the full limit of the appointed times?  </em><strong>Absolutely!  </strong>It's a prophecy that has been unfolding for almost 2,000 years now. This prophecy has a beginning and an end.  It's beginning was 33 CE on Pentecost and will come to its conclusion in 2033 CE.  This is in reference to the sealing event.  Not all anointed ones are in heaven yet.  Read this scripture again:  "<em>He will revive us after two days</em>. <strong>On the third day he will raise us up, And we will live before him. </strong> We will know, we will earnestly seek to know Jehovah. His going out is as certain as the dawn; He will come to us like a pouring rain, Like a spring rain that saturates the earth." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/hosea/6/#v28006002" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Hosea 6:2-3</a>)  </p><p>Yet, there was another manifestation of prophecy that Brother Charles Russell pointed to in regards to the <strong>End of the Gentile times</strong> that would usher in the Last Days known as the <strong>time of trouble.</strong>  It also has a beginning and an end:  </p><p>In the first part of 1914, the Bible Students known as International Bible Students Association discussed the <strong>“time of trouble”</strong> on the printed page called The Bible Students Monthly.</p><p>Early in 1914, an issue of The Bible Students Monthly was issued with the large bold heading “END OF WORLD IN 1914? Some have quoted the large headline of this tract as proof that Russell was expecting the “end of the world” in 1914. </p><p>However, such neglect the subheading under the larger headline, which states: “<strong>NOT THE VIEW OF PASTOR RUSSELL NOR OF I.B.S.A.</strong>” </p><ul><li>International Bible Students Association: "Nevertheless, when viewed from God’s standpoint, we are still “shortly after” 1914. Although Russell himself did not think the time of trouble would be this long, he did allow that it could be. <strong>It is possible that the time allotted for this period is 120 years (1914+120=2034)</strong>, but that these days will be “cut short” some time before they are allowed to reach their end. We do not put this forth as a “prophecy”, nor would we feel anything was wrong if 2034 came and went and nothing had happened as far the full binding of Satan and the destruction of his empire is concerned. All things are in God’s hands."  </li></ul><p>Since Jehovah God is the Almighty God  of order, he often uses 'patterns'.  Patterns that are duplicated and used so things can take place decently and by arrangement. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/1-corinthians/14/#v46014040" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 Corinthians 14:40</a>)  The 120 years is a pattern that was used in (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/genesis/6/#v1006003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Genesis 6:3</a>).  Brother Russell was part of the administration the Apostle Paul was speaking about.  He may have been the last member of that administration before the appearance of the Faithful and Discreet Slave in 1919.  Since he fell asleep in death on October of 1916.  It's possible that Brother Charles Russell was the first to be resurrected from death instantaneously, since the flashes of spiritual insight has be flashing brightly ever since from heaven to the earthly slave.  (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/7/#v66007013" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 7:13-14</a>)</p><p>If the sealing process ends in 2033 will partaking continue?  Those sealed will still be here in the flesh just a little longer.  We really need to cherish our dear brothers and pray for them.  Do the scriptures give us any evidence how long the FDS remains?  It does.  Even if it is dissolved, it stands to reason some sort of administration will remain and that the helpers of spiritually mature men will progress.  2034 will come and go just as 1914 did... but don't lose nfaith.  If we add 120 years to 1919, we come up with the year 2039 of the remaining ones that are heavenbound.  All things are in Jehovah's hands, not ours, keep walking by faith and not by sight.  Remember, the a separation work of the earthly sheep will be in the process of coming to its end as our dear brothers are summoned to heaven and those ones come out of the great tribulation as survivors.  (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/7/#v66007014" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 7:14</a>)</p><p><br /></p><p><strong>A note of encouragement:  </strong></p><p>When the Apostle Paul began to enter his <strong><em>final sealing,</em></strong> he knew it. "<strong>I have fought</strong> <strong>the</strong> <strong>fine fight</strong>, <strong>I</strong> <strong>have</strong> run the race to the finish, <strong>I</strong> <strong>have</strong> observed the faith." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/2-timothy/4/#v55004007" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">2 Timothy 4:7</a>)  So as 2033, 2034, and 2039 comes and goes and you haven't received your final sealing, not all is lost.  Stay faithful my friends... if you are 70 or 80 now, and you become 90 or 100 in 2039,  Jehovah is using <strong>you</strong> to reveal <a href="https://www.brorando.com/post/what-is-the-sign-of-the-son-of-man" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the sign of the Son of Man.</a>  Jehovah loves You very much and will not forget the love you showed for his Name... (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/hebrews/6/#v58006010" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Hebrews 6:10</a>)</p>]]>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2021 01:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Biblical Studies</category>
        <dc:creator>Brother Rando</dc:creator>
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<p>Gog of Magog in the Book of Ezekiel represents <strong>Satan's Entire Political system of things.  </strong>It<strong> </strong>is <strong>Pre- Millennial.  </strong>Once the Great Tribulation starts, Jesus separates the sheep and goats and  then he turns his attention towards Satan's Entire Political system of things. Christ Millennial Reign actually begins at Armageddon, the Revelation Phase of his Presence.  You can study <a href="https://www.brorando.com/post/the-second-coming-what-you-don-t-know-but-should" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the three phases of Christ Return</a> to help with Spiritual Insight. </p><p>Satan's Earthly Organization has many facets and allies that work in its behalf to starve, maim, and kill anyone who refuses to receive its mark.  "It puts under compulsion all people—the small and the great, the rich and the poor, the free and the slaves—that these should be marked on their right hand or on their forehead,  and that <strong>nobody can buy or sell except a person having the mark, the name of the wild beast or the number of its name.</strong>" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/13/#v66013016" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 13:16</a>)</p><p>Soon, Gog of Magog will be no more.... and Satan and his hordes abyssed.  After the 'time limit' of the thousand years comes to its end, Satan is released from the abyss and influences mankind once again to take on a rebellion. Those who reject Jehovah's Sovereignty as expressed by Christ and the 144,000 will gather Worldwide.  </p><p>Gog and Magog comes about, as <strong>It is Post- Millennial.</strong>  The conquest of Jesus Christ isn't over just yet, the War of Almighty God continues: "Now as soon as the 1,000 years have ended, Satan will be released from his prison, and he will go out to mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth, <strong>Gog and Maʹgog, to gather them together for the war.</strong> The number of these is as the sand of the sea."  (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/20/#v66020007" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 20:7-8</a>) </p><p>"And they advanced over the whole earth and encircled the camp of the holy ones and the beloved city. <strong>But fire came down out of heaven and consumed them.</strong>" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/20/#v66020009" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 20:9</a>)  "And the Devil who was misleading them was hurled into the lake of fire and sulfur, where both the wild beast and the false prophet already were; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/20/#v66020010" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 20:10</a>)  </p><p>'Next, the end, when <strong>he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father</strong>, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power.' (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/1-corinthians/15/#v46015024" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 Corinthians 15:24</a>)  It's at this point that, <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/good-news-from-god/who-is-jesus-christ/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>Jesus Christ</strong></a> can once again make the claim, "<strong>It has been accomplished!</strong>" He will have finished his conquest to the full, bringing mankind back to perfection as to the time of Adam and Eve's perfect condition prior to their willful sinning....  <strong>Please act today</strong> and be sure to visit <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Jehovah's Witnesses Official Website</a>.</p>]]>
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