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        <description><![CDATA[<p><strong>The Beast Revelation</strong></p><p>This letter is dedicated to all Christians.</p><p><em>The following letter is a summary of Revelation 13. Its purpose is to show the method used in finding the conclusions which have been stated. Nothing new has been added from my previous letters. It is more of a compilation of them all. This writing is the same material in different words. The Bible uses this same method of explanation. There are four Gospels. In each you see a different view of the same material. This can be beneficial because the meaning becomes more exact. Although, if this is a first time reader, then this will all be news to you. With that in mind, here we go.</em></p><p>The first thing that should be addressed when doing any study of Bible prophecy is what questions do I intend to answer. Some of these questions can seem a little simplistic, but their answers are much more complicated. In my studies there were only a few questions that I saw as needing an answer. My questions were very simple. First, who is this individual who is identified by the number 666? Second, who is the false prophet and how does he make the whole world worship the beast whose number is 666. Another question has to do with these same individuals. Could these two individuals be the same person, or for that matter Satan himself? Where is Satan during all this? That last question is very important. It actually goes straight to the answer of all the questions. Finally, when would someone expect to see these individuals on the Earth? Literally, what time frame should I see them? Those are the questions. The answers are much more involved.</p><p>This narrative will attempt to show how the answers are figured out. These answers can be seen from events that happen in the nightly news. This leads me to a key, which most of us know, but most of us forget. The Bible is a history book. Some events have happened, while some are waiting to happen. It is the ones that have not happened that we are most concerned with. Here is another key. By the way, these keys I speak of are keys to understanding. The Lord spoke in parables. The reason he gave was that it was for some to know the mysteries of God, while it was for some to know not. In hearing, they do not hear. In seeing, they do not see. I compare it to telling the truth, while hiding it at the same time. Many of the parables that the Lord spoke he immediately gave an answer to. He showed how he used certain symbols and words to describe subjects and then gave their meanings. Now for the punch line. The Lord also spoke in parables that he did not identify. These parables go straight to the hidden meaning of these end times. Another key is word substitution. An example of this is a pretty well-known item from Revelation. This word substitution deals with Revelation 13:1. The beast has seven heads and ten horns. In Revelation 17 those heads and horns are defined. The heads are identified as mountains, while the horns are identified as kings. This changes the whole picture of what the beast is symbolically to what it is literally. Now Rev.13:1 can be read as follows with just the items discussed thus far. And I saw a beast rise up out of the sea having seven mountains and ten kings. That is a simple and easy word substitution. Know that this will happen many times throughout the Bible.</p><p>Now, getting back to the questions. The question is, where is Satan? If this question can be answered, you can eliminate some others. Some prophecy teachers believe that Satan is the beast, or that Satan is the false prophet. This interpretation is misleading, and it also creates a stumbling block in the path to a proper interpretation. I almost always get this question. How can you know who the beast is when he cannot be revealed? 2nd Thess. Chapter 2 states that he cannot be revealed, until something is removed first. Most scholars have this part right. That is a picture of the Rapture. What they have wrong is that Satan and the beast are not the same individual. Satan cannot be revealed until after the rapture, but he is not the beast. Therefore, I can identify the beast and his false prophet. People say prove it. So I did. I told them how to understand using the keys that I have mentioned. Revelation 13 is a parable, but God is not giving the definition, or the explanation. This one is for us to figure out. Ok, so where is Satan? In the book of Job, we get a view of Satan's abilities. In one scene, he is discussing with God about Job. Question, where is God? He is in heaven. Also, in his conversation with God Satan is talking as if he knows and has seen Job. God declares that he can do whatever he wants to Job, but he was not allowed to kill him. Now we know something else about Satan. He also has access to the Earth, and can affect peoples lives. So, it appears that Satan can be everywhere he wants to be, on Earth or in heaven. We know Satan and his angels will be cast out of heaven as per Revelation 12. This would further the idea that he is now in heaven. We also see Satan one other time, when he tempted Christ during his time on Earth. It says that he was taken to the wilderness to be tempted of Satan? Most people, and rightly so, have thought the wilderness to be a place on Earth, but this is a parable I believe. The Lord was in the wilderness and was tempted by Satan, but the wilderness is in heaven. This parable is read in Isaiah 35. It is the wilderness and the solitary place where the redeemed of the Lord walk. So, this last item being the most hard to prove, suffice it to say, that when Rev.12 says Satan will be cast out, he must be there in heaven to be cast out. Alright, now we can answer a couple questions. One, Satan is himself, and he is in heaven. Therefore, he is not the beast or the false prophet. These three work together, but each has his own identity.</p><p>Now to dissect Revelation 13. As I have already stated, Revelation 13 is a word substitution parable. The seven heads are seven mountains and the ten horns are ten kings. Ok, we know from this description that the beast as described is a group of possibly ten countries. This brings me to another point. There are three definitions for the beast in Revelation 13. The first is a group of countries rising up out of the sea. The second is in Rev.13:11 and is a beast with two horns (kings). Remember horns are kings as per Rev. 17. Finally, there is a beast who is identified by the number 666. It is this last beast that causes all to receive a mark and that no man can buy and sell save he who has the mark, his number, or his name. There are three items here. Nowhere does it say that the mark is the number 666. This might have been a good guess 20 yrs. ago , but it is pretty hard to believe. Imagine people running around with a mark of 666 on their right hands. It sounds like a cartoon, but this is what the prophecy teachers want you to believe. Ok, another problem that sounds like a cartoon is the interpretation of the word "all." They want you to believe that no man could buy or sell if they did not worship the beast and take his mark. Interpreting the word "all" to mean everyone in the world. This is not the case. For one, we know that the beast is made up of only possibly ten countries. Everyone in this world lives in roughly 190 countries. I don't think we could possibly mean everyone. How about, all of those people concerned with the mark. Also, how do you cause all people concerned to receive a mark, and why? The most obvious way to mark everyone is at the voting booth. All people, rich and poor, small and great, or free and bond are potential voters. So, Mahmoud Abbas was elected president of the Palestinian Authority, and in the process all voters received an indelible ink mark on their right hands. This mark was to prevent double voting and corruption in the election. Ok, we have a mark. It is not 666. At this point he fits the part, but not completely. Still, there is no ready identification of 666 concerning him. This election was in January 2005.</p><p>Back to Rev.13. We have seven mountains and ten kings. Prophecy teachers want us to believe that a city with seven mountains is the seat of the antichrist and he rules with ten nations. Their logical conclusion was the Europe Union and the Vatican. This started the revived Roman empire theory. This theory has been around since the reformation. It is hard to believe this charade has gone on so long. Teachers are still preaching the Revived Roman Empire. This theory had some validity before the twentieth century and now has to be eliminated. None of these teachers could have predicted the fall of the Ottoman Empire and its division into so many separate sovereign nations. Back to our word substitution. There is an interesting item here concerning the word mountains in scripture. The word mountains can have two meanings. It can be either a mountain range, or a nation. This is the hardest part of this whole exercise, trying to figure out what mountains are describing. Teachers will have you believe it is a city with seven mountains. In actual fact, mountains here are referring to nations. This also pertains to the head wound. The wound was not a literal head wound at all, but was a nation that was wounded. The beast's head or nation was wounded and was healed. This is the Palestinian Authority after the beginning of the Oslo Accords. The land that Israel possessed was now being given back to the Palestinians and the beast's nation is being healed. Ok, so now I have seven nations and ten kings, Rev.13:1. Why do I have three more kings than nations? It seems I have a king for each nation, but three left over. In Daniel in says the beast subdued three kings. These three kings don't necessarily have to be from different countries. It seems so, but is not expressly mentioned. It is another parable. The three kings who were subdued by the beast were Israeli Prime Ministers. These three Prime Ministers all served during the seven years of the Oslo Accords and were voted out of office because of terror perpetrated during Yasser Arafat's rule. Now, I am down to seven nations. These seven nations will wage war. I can easily see seven nations that will wage war here very soon; Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Iran and the Palestinian Authority or Iraq, and there opponent Israel. This is exactly the same beast that is presented in Rev.17:10, just in a slightly different appearance. There are seven kings, five are fallen. This means five kings were defeated in war. Israel is referred to the "one that is," and the one that came later is the Palestinian Authority. This is a description of Israel's war for Independence. Literally, this was the beast being born. The war in 1967 is the beast rising up out of the sea in Rev.13:1. It was the unresolved issues of this conflict that resulted in the Oslo Accords of 1993. This seven year peace treaty was confirmed by Yitzhak Rabin and Yasser Arafat.</p><p>Now, there is another beast in Rev.13:11. This beast has two horns or kings. This is a picture of the Palestinian Authority after the elections of January 2006. This is when Hamas ran in the elections and won a majority in parliament. Now the P.A. was a country with two kings. Abbas was the President and Ismail Haniyeh was the Prime Minister. Here is where the problem with money came about. Western Nations did not want to donate money to a known terrorist organization so looked for a way they could still fund Abbas's P.A., but not let any money get to Hamas. <strong>This is when the number 666 identified an individual. </strong>The temporary international mechanism was adopted on June 16, 2006. This program allowed Western Nations to donate funds directly to Abbas, while bypassing Hamas. If you were a member of Fatah, or on Abbas's payroll you got paid. This is how the people were allowed to buy and sell. They received salaries, whereas before the mechanism, they had no way of getting paid from the Government. Hamas did not receive salaries. Also, Hamas did not receive the mark of the beast. They boycotted the elections for President in Jan. 2005.</p><p>It is more obvious who is being talked about the closer you get to the end.</p><p>In conclusion, to my three beast definitions. Mahmoud Abbas fits all three definitions. He was a member of the P.A. when it was formed. He took over from Yasser Arafat after his death. He was one of the two kings of the second beast in Rev.13:11. Lastly, he is the one identified by the number 666, which could have been Arafat had he lived.</p><p>Now, concerning the false prophet. The following four verses below all refer to the false prophet, Ismail Haniyeh.</p><p><strong><em>Rev.13:11- and I beheld another beast coming up out of the Earth, and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.</em></strong></p><p><strong><em>Rev.13:12- And he exercises all the power of the first beast before him, and causes the earth and them which dwell therein, to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.</em></strong></p><p><strong><em>Rev.13:13- "And he does great wonders, so that he makes fire come down from heaven on the Earth in the sight of men". </em></strong></p><p><strong><em>Rev.13:15- And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast, should be killed.</em></strong></p><p>Hamas exercised all the power of the first beast (Abbas's P.A.) because they were now an equal partner in the Government. Also, the leader of Hamas caused them to worship or honor the first beast because Hamas would not honor the first beast. The first beast was the PA without Hamas as a member. The image of the beast is what the Government of Mahmoud Abbas represented. Verse 12 does not mention the image yet, we are just informed that the false prophet caused them to worship the first beast. Verse 14 and 15 gives the details of how that worshipping or honor was to commence. An image was created of the first beast that he (the false prophet) caused to be honored. This image of the beast is three items; the recognition of Israel, the honoring of all prior Palestinian agreements, and a renunciation of terror.</p><p>The last question I think that needs addressed is how do you know the timing is right? Meaning, there have been so many translations, how do you know that this one is correct? This is a question I always get asked. The answer, in my mind, is sort of a mix between two different prophecies. The first is the seven day prophecy as recorded in Genesis. It is a similitude between this and the amount of recorded time that has already happened on Earth. In the book of Peter, God says one day to him is as a thousand years. If that idea is applied to the Genesis creation, everyday that God created something one thousand years passed. Finally, on the last day he rested from his work, and his rest was one thousand years or one of God's days. This was one full week or 7000 years. After God's rest he started his work again, and he created Adam. Starting with Adam, it was approximately 4000 years to the time of Christ. Also, we know that Christ was here roughly 2000 years ago. If God was to be consistent with his one week schedule, then we could expect his day of rest to fall somewhere after the year two thousand. 4000 plus 2000 is six days and on the seventh he rested for one thousand years. This is not an exact estimate, but it can put you in the right ballpark when searching for the correct timing of Revelation. This is the estimate. The next item is more exact. Daniel 9:27 says that he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week. Many in Hebrew is Rab. This was a covenant confirmed with Yitzhak Rabin. It was the beginning of land for peace, or the Oslo Accords. When you see this agreement happen you should be aware that this prophecy will last seven years. There is only one problem with this item. Prior to it happening, everyone thought that the end of the seventh year of the agreement God would return and begin his rest. Well, that did not happen. The reason was a logical misinterpretation. It just mentions that this agreement must occur along with the prophecies mentioned, not that they would all happen and end on the last day of the seventh year. This has thrown everyone watching off-course for a time. Although, this was not such a terrible mistake if the watcher could see the right answer and get his, or her perspective back. When you have these two items coinciding at the expected time, then you know Revelation can be interpreted with accuracy. The events should start happening, as they have, as I have recorded in this letter.</p><p>May God bless all who read this letter.</p><p>Michael</p>]]>
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<p>2,000 years ago, Jesus was a Carpenter, helping his family eke out a living. His <a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1954447#:~:text=It%20is%20significant,own%20private%20expectations." rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>First Presence</strong></a> was foretold by the Prophet Daniel and the ‘allotted timing’ of that Prophecy was rapidly coming to its conclusion of which, the fulfillment of the <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/bible-teach/daniels-prophecy-70-weeks-messiah/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">70th week</a> would begin in the fall of 29 CE, the Messiah would <strong>suddenly</strong> come to inspect the temple. In just a few years, he would approach his senior cousin of six months for baptism to commence his earthy ministry.</p><p>“Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me; <strong>and the Lord whom ye seek will suddenly come to his temple, </strong>and the Angel of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he cometh,<strong> </strong>saith Jehovah of hosts.” (<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Malachi%203%3A1-2&amp;version=DARBY" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Malachi 3:1</a>)</p><p>On finding the temple lacking, Jesus Christ prophesied the temple would be destroyed on more than one occasion. Jesus replied to them: “Tear down this temple, and <strong>in three days I will raise it up</strong>.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/john/2/#v43002019" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 2:19</a>) They sneered and mocked him for saying such a thing and therefore, the ridiculers were struck with blindness in understanding by their hard heartedness. For almost 2,000 years now, Jesus Christ has been raising up the temple since <strong>Pentecost 33 CE</strong>. Most cannot see, for such ones as unbelievers are not allowed understanding. Read (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/daniel/12/#v27012010" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Daniel 12:10</a> and <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/jeremiah/5/#v24005021" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Jeremiah 5:21</a>)</p><p>Also, certain ones were standing up and bearing false witness against him, saying:   “We heard him say, ‘I will throw down this temple that was made with hands, and <strong>in three days I will build another not made with hands.</strong>’ (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/mark/14/#v41014057-v41014058" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Mark 14:57-58</a>)</p><p>Jesus could have stated (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/john/2/#v43002019" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 2:19</a>) in several ways.</p><ul><li>in three days</li><li>on the third day</li><li>after two days</li></ul><p>The question of how long a day is listed in the scriptures for all to see. “However, do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that <strong>one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years</strong> and a thousand years as one day.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/2-peter/3/#v61003008" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">2 Peter 3:8</a>) 33CE + 2,000 yrs = 2033 – The allotted time will have ran its course and the opportunity for new partakers will have come to its conclusion. Since the 144,000 <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/1-peter/2/#v60002005" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">living stones</a> will have been gathered and sealed by 2033, will there be a need to pass the emblems for new partakers?</p><p>“He will revive us <strong>after two days. On the third day</strong> he will raise us up, And we will live before him.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/hosea/6/#v28006002" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Hosea 6:2</a>) We will know, we will earnestly seek to know Jehovah. His going out is as certain as the dawn; He will come to us like a pouring rain, Like a spring rain that saturates the earth. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/hosea/6/#v28006003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Hosea 6:3</a>)</p><p><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/john/2/#v43002021" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">The temple of his body</a> is <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/bible-glossary/judgment-seat/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>Jehovah’s Arrangement</strong></a> in how honest hearted ones can approach Jehovah, and therefore can be referred as <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/1-corinthians/12/#v46012027" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the Body of Christ</a>, <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/1-corinthians/3/#v46003016" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">God’s Temple</a>, <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/14/#v66014001" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the 144,000</a>, <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/galatians/6/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the Israel of God</a>, <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/1-timothy/3/#v54003005" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Congregation of God</a> of which <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/ephesians/5/#v49005023" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Jesus is the head and savior of this Body</a>, to list a few expressions.</p><p>The pattern Jehovah uses can be repeated.</p><ol><li>First a warning.</li><li>An allotted time is rendered,</li><li>Nobody allowed to know the day or hour until it is about to happen. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/amos/3/#v30003007" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Amos 3:7</a>)</li><li>Moments before it occurs God’s People are informed by the revealing of Prophecy. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/10/#v66010005-v66010010" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 10:5-10</a>)</li></ol><p>Examples are the <strong>120 years </strong>that the were allotted in Noah’s days and Jesus Christ told his disciples, “For just as the days of Noah were,<strong> so the Presence of the Son of man will be.</strong> For as they were in those days before the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and <strong>they took no note until</strong> the Flood came and swept them all away,<strong> so the Presence of the Son of man will be</strong>.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024037-v40024039" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:37-39</a>)</p><p><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/last-days-sign-end-times-prophecies/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Prophecy lovers</a> can also add <strong>120 years</strong> to the time when the Gentile times ended in October of 1914. “On the testimony of two witnesses or three witnesses the matter should be established.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/18/#v40018016" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 18:16</a>)</p><p>Since these things are undergoing spiritual fulfillment, the Bible warns us that “Jehovah’s day will come as a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar, but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be exposed.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/2-peter/3/#v61003010" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">2 Peter 3:10</a>)</p><p>“For the vision is yet for its appointed time, And it is rushing toward its end, and it will not lie. Even if it should delay, keep in expectation of it! For it will without fail come true. It will not be late!” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/habakkuk/2/#v35002003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Habakkuk 2:3</a>)</p><p><strong>You are Worth Saving!</strong> Share this <a href="https://jehovahwitnessqhub.wordpress.com/dont-give-up-you-have-a-reason-to-keep-on-living" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Blog Post</a> on your social media and <a href="https://shoutout.wix.com/so/e6NRYf06r/c?w=MtqfuSEItHt5_yX6Pv6vIHLeLtiW4izaY8R_HSSjyqk.eyJ1IjoiaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuancub3JnL2VuL2xpYnJhcnkvYmlibGUvc3R1ZHktYmlibGUvYm9va3MvcHJvdmVyYnMvMTQvI3YyMDAxNDAyNSIsInIiOiIwN2M5OTI4ZS1jOTJiLTQzOTAtOGVlZS1jNmMzMDY5ZWQ4NWQiLCJtIjoibHAifQ" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">save a life</a>.</p><p><a href="https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">National Suicide Prevention Lifeline</a> 1 (800) 273-8255</p>]]>
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<p>Churchianity teaches it to mean that "In the beginning was Jesus, and Jesus was with Jesus, and Jesus WAS Jesus.</p><p>And we swallowed that as churchoids (people who believe Church rather than the Bible).</p><p>Lets take a MUCH closer look at John 1:1, and what Jesus' words have to say about it IN ORDER from the book of John!</p>]]>
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        <title>Children run the church</title>
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        <pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2025 05:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>GodIncarnate</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>	When a child asks a parent, “What happens when you die?” the parent often responds that the deceased go to be with God. It’s a comforting answer, but what else could they say? That nothing happens, but there’s a man on Earth who is God incarnate, orchestrating existence, and upon his death, all reality will reset to 1980 with him reborn as a child? I think not. Yet, this unspoken knowledge sustains the Christian narrative. Cultural traditions like Christmas further reinforce this, weaving a story that’s easier to accept than to challenge. Every culture has its way of shielding children from such unsettling ideas, preserving faith through simplified tales of the afterlife. https://godincarnate.me/</p>]]>
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        <title>Thoughts on Christianity</title>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2025 21:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>GodIncarnate</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>Here’s an excerpt from my website.</p><p>       Concerning Christianity, I propose that its adherents covertly believe that “Jesus” resides on Earth and that, upon His death, all existence shall cease and recommence with Him as a young boy. I conjecture that most inhabitants of Earth harbor this notion—that God incarnate dwells among us—yet refrain from acknowledging it. The Christian conviction that He shall resurrect the dead and usher in a new Heaven and Earth speaks unequivocally, in my estimation. I ponder why contemporary society has not exalted an obscure living man to the status of God incarnate, a practice seemingly prevalent in antiquity. In the present day, a man exhibiting a messianic disposition is deemed mentally unsound; yet, for reasons that remain obscure, Christians do not apply this judgment to Jesus. I surmise that Christianity’s magnitude renders it impervious to scrutiny, and individuals recoil from the prospect of being perceived as irrational for asserting that “Jesus” walks the Earth. Thus, there lies a collective refuge in attributing such divinity to the figure delineated in the sacred text provided by God.</p><p>	I perceive an irony in 2 Peter 1:16 as it pertains to our era, which declares: “For we did not follow cleverly devised stories when we told you about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ in power, but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty.” Likewise, I find Matthew 16:28 both ironic and pertinent, which states: “Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”</p><p>You can learn more about my spiritual views on my website. <a href="https://godincarnate.me/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">https://godincarnate.me/</a></p>]]>
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        <title>LITERAL Hellfire Torment—Not A Bible Teaching</title>
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        <pubDate>Sun, 09 Jun 2024 01:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>NeutralZone</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>The teaching of literal hellfire torment is commonplace in Christendom and non-Christian religions. This teaching defames the Creator and portrays him as a sadist who tortures people in literal flames of fire for all eternity—as punishment for wrongdoings committed during the relatively brief human lifespan. </p><p>Hellfire believers insist that the wicked will literally experience pain while burning in literal flames of fire—after they have died. So that brings us to the questions below.</p><p> </p><p>DISCUSSION QUESTIONS:</p><p><strong>1.</strong> Are there are scriptures in the Judeo-Christian Bible to support the teaching of literal hellfire torment? If you believe that to be the case, please quote up to three (3) scriptures and include Bible book, chapter, and verse, along with a brief explanation for why you believe the verses are talking <strong>LITERAL</strong> hellfire torment.</p><p><strong>2.</strong> According to those who believe in literal hellfire torment, only wicked people will wind up in hell. Is that what you believe?</p><p><strong>3.</strong> Does the Bible teach that humans have an immortal soul that survives the death of the person so that the soul can then be burned in eternal flames? If so, please present scriptures to that effect to prove it (no more than 3 scriptures at a time, please). Follow the steps indicated at Question #1.</p><p><strong>4.</strong>  When people are being tortured in hellfire, wouldn't they have to <strong>KNOW</strong> or <strong>be conscious/aware</strong> of the fact that they are being burned? I mean to say, what's the point of punishing people in a burning hellfire if they aren't even aware?</p><p><strong>5.</strong>    Those who believe in literal eternal torment say that the person's soul is being burned forever. What is the soul? Are animals souls also, or does the term "soul" apply only to humans?</p><p>NeutralZone</p>]]>
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        <title>Since Moses was called elohim, does that make him God?</title>
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        <pubDate>Sun, 02 Jan 2022 03:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Brother Rando</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>"And the Lord said to Moses: Behold I have appointed thee <strong><em>the God </em></strong>of Pharao: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet." (<a href="http://drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&amp;bk=2&amp;ch=7&amp;l=1-#x" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Exodus 7:1 DRB</a>)</p>]]>
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        <pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2024 19:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Brother Rando</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>Whom is the person that this scripture is speaking about?</p><p>"This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High, and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father and he will rule as King over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end to his Kingdom.” (Luke 1:32-33)</p><p>Billions of trinitarians around the world have no clue, here are some scriptural hints.</p><ul><li>“In all their affliction he was afflicted, and <strong>the Angel</strong> of his Presence saved them" (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/bi22/23/63#s=9&amp;study=discover" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Isaiah 63:9 ASV</a>)</li><li>"<strong>He was oppressed and he let himself be afflicted,</strong> But he would not open his mouth. He was brought like a sheep to the slaughter, Like a ewe that is silent before its shearers, And he would not open his mouth<strong>.</strong>" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/isaiah/53/#v23053007" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Isaiah 53:7</a>)</li><li>"And <strong>he was given a burial place with the wicked, </strong>And with the rich in his death, Although <strong>he had done no wrong And there was no deception in his mouth.</strong>" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/isaiah/53/#v23053009" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Isaiah 53:9</a>)</li><li>"I am sending an <strong>Angel </strong>ahead of you to guard you on<strong> the Way</strong> and to bring you into the place that I have prepared. Pay attention to him, and <strong>obey his voice.</strong> Do not rebel against him, for <strong>he will not pardon your transgressions</strong>, because <strong><em>My Name is in Him.</em></strong>" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/exodus/23/#v2023020-v2023021" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Exodus 23:20-21</a>)</li><li>Then a voice came out of the cloud, saying: “<strong>This is my Son, the one who has been chosen. Listen to him.</strong>” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/luke/9/#v42009035" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Luke 9:35</a>)</li><li>"So <strong>he has become better than the angels</strong> to the extent that <strong>he has inherited a name</strong> (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/hebrews/1/#v58001004" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Hebrews 1:4</a>)</li><li>In those days and at that time <strong>I will cause to sprout for David a righteous sprout</strong>, and he will execute justice and righteousness in the land. In those days Judah will be saved and Jerusalem will reside in security. And this is what<strong> SHE will be called: Jehovah Is Our Righteousness</strong>. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/jeremiah/33/#v24033015-v24033016" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Jeremiah 33:15-16</a>)</li><li>After this I saw another <strong>angel </strong>descending from heaven with <strong>great authority,</strong> and <strong>the earth was illuminated by his glory.</strong> (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/18/#v66018001" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 18:1</a>)</li></ul><p>The Jewish System of things reject to read (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/nwtsty/23/53#study=discover" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Isaiah Chapter 53</a>) in Public. WHY?</p><ul><li>The suffering, death, and burial of <strong>Jehovah’s Servant</strong> (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/nwtsty/23/53#h=1639:0-1661:0" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1-12</a>)</li></ul><ul><li>Sin of many carried by him (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/nwtsty/23/53#h=1660:0-1661:0" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">12</a>)</li><li>“Like a sheep to the slaughter” (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/nwtsty/23/53#h=1651:0-1653:0" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">7</a>)</li><li>Carries sicknesses and pains (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/nwtsty/23/53#h=1646:0-1648:0" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">4</a>)</li><li>Despised and avoided (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/nwtsty/23/53#h=1643:0-1646:0" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">3</a>)<p>Whom is the Person called Son of David? (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/21/#v40021009" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 21:19</a>)</p><p>Whom is the Person Called the Son of the Most High? (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/luke/1/#v42001032" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Luke 1:32</a>)</p><p><strong>ANSWER: </strong>So the angel said to her: “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And look! you will become pregnant and give birth to a son, and you are to name him Jesus." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/luke/1/#v42001030-v42001031" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Luke 1:30-31</a>)</p><p><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/bible-glossary/son-of-david/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>Son of David</strong></a> - A phrase often applied to Jesus, emphasizing that he is the Heir of the Kingdom covenant that was to be fulfilled by someone in David’s lineage.​—<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/12/#v40012023" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Mt 12:23; 21:9</a>.</p></li></ul>]]>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 28 Jan 2025 11:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>KerimF</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>What I know is that they have the same Holy Book, Torah, but I am not sure this is true or not.</p>]]>
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        <title>On Earth, Two Living Beings Could Be Unified and Become One Living Being Only</title>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 30 Jan 2025 14:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>KerimF</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>In our days, this fact/truth is well known by most humans around the world.</p><p>But our ancient primitive ancestors, kids of humanity, had no clue, at all, about it. It was out of question for them that it is possible for two living beings, on earth, to be unified and be one single living being only.</p><p>And if it happens that a today’s human has also no clue about it, it means he never heard that his own existence started from two tiny living cells: one from his genetic father and one from his genetic mother. When they reached each other, they combined to form his starting living cell which evolved for 9 months to become the human born baby he was.</p><p><br /></p><p>Although educated humans now, the adults of humanity, know this truth in the material realm, many of them still find hard to also imagine it in the spiritual realm; that is two separate spirits can be unified by the Spirit of Love and have One Will only.</p><p>In other words, while humans now can believe in the earthly unifying process (by the chemical love), most of them cannot believe, even if they want to, in the existence of the Heavenly Unifying Spirit, the Holy Spirit, which is the core of Jesus’ message {Matthew 12:31-32}. The reason is simple. The former love is preprogrammed in their instincts already. The later one is not obvious, even to those who are given a living soul, besides their living flesh. True Love is strictly a personal matter based on a real free-will; it cannot be preprogrammed or commanded (imposed as a rule).</p><p><br /></p><p>Anyway, by design, only the spirit of the unconditional unlimited love towards all others (good and evil) in one’s soul is eternal (how? this is another topic), anything else will return back to its raw state (the state of non-existence before birth).</p>]]>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 30 Jan 2025 12:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>KerimF</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>For every event which may happen in an earthly kingdom, the king has to apply the appropriate rules related to it. If the king applies a personal will instead, his people will not trust him anymore and see him instead a sort of a dictator who gives himself the right to change his rules whenever his own interests become at risk. In other words, the authority of the king’s rules is higher than of the king’s personal will in order for him to deserve the obedience and respect of his people.</p><p>This fact also applies on a ‘god’ who is supposed to be a Ruling King, said Supernatural. His will is limited by his own rules which are supposed to represent the Absolute Truth. For example, he has to reward his obedient believers and punish those who refuse to obey his rules of the Absolute Truth.</p><p>In such a supernatural kingdom, the word ‘love’, addressed to humans, has one meaning: “Obey the Lord, your King”. And both this Supernatural Ruling King and his created humans should observe their kingdom’s rules which are claimed to represent their Absolute Truth.</p><p> </p><p>How could I fool myself and imagine that my Creator is simply a limited ruling king who is bounded by his own rules?!</p><p>But I also don’t hesitate to congratulate a human who chose to be very proud for being a good obedient ‘slave’ (the modern word is ‘servant’) of the most powerful ruling king whom a man can imagine.</p><p> </p><p>Meanwhile, the Loving Will/Power that created me, and I... know that there is no will above the Divine Spirit of Love. Nothing limits the Loving Will of my Heavenly Father, which is the same Loving Will of Jesus, thanks to the Ultimate Unifying Spirit of Love, the Holy Spirit. In the Kingdom of Love there are no masters or slaves bounded by rules. There are free spirits only unified by their Absolute Truth, ‘LOVE’ (which is not any of the various limited kinds of love that are preprogrammed in human’s instincts).</p><p> </p><p>But perhaps, someday I will hear of a real ruling king who is free not to apply always his own rules which define the boundaries of his limited authority.</p>]]>
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        <title>How can God who is Eternal be a feminine genitive as trinitarians claim?</title>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2024 15:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Brother Rando</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p> How can God who is Eternal be a triad of feminine genitives as trinitarians claim?  Why is the Greek word for trinity not found in scripture?  </p><p>Questions trinitarians cannot answer.  How come Jesus Christ is NEVER mentioned in the trinity doctrine? There is only one answer. <strong>The trinity is the Anti-Christ opposed to CHRIST. </strong>That's why they try to turn Jesus into a multitude of gods. There is only one thing worse than pagan and that is being Anti-Christian, an opposser of Christ, an apostate. John called them antiichrists in plural because there are many of them in the last moment in the Devil's time of his End. </p><div><div><p><a href="https://www.jw.org/open?pub=nwtsty&amp;bible=62002018&amp;wtlocale=E&amp;prefer=lang" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 John 2:18</a></p><p>Young children, it is the last hour, and just as you have heard that the <strong>antichrist</strong> is coming, even now many <strong>antichrists</strong> have appeared, from which fact we know that it is the last hour.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.jw.org/open?pub=nwtsty&amp;bible=62002022&amp;wtlocale=E&amp;prefer=lang" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 John 2:22</a></p><p>Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the <strong>antichrist</strong>, the one who denies the Father and the Son.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.jw.org/open?pub=nwtsty&amp;bible=63001007&amp;wtlocale=E&amp;prefer=lang" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">2 John 1:7</a></p><p>For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those not acknowledging Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the <strong>antichrist</strong>.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.jw.org/open?pub=nwtsty&amp;bible=62004003&amp;wtlocale=E&amp;prefer=lang" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 John 4:3</a></p><p>But every inspired statement that does not acknowledge Jesus does not originate with God. Furthermore, this is the <strong>antichrist’s</strong> inspired statement that you have heard was coming, and now it is already in the world.</p></div></div><p>BEWARE of this DEMONIC teaching by Lucifer - a feminine genitive</p><div>
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        <pubDate>Fri, 24 Jan 2025 20:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>KerimF</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, it seems that all here are on vacation. If you are, then I have no choice but to see you later.</p><p>Best wishes to all,</p><p>Kerim</p>]]>
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        <pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2023 21:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Eliyahu</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>Bs"d</p><p><br /></p><p>Since the messianic prophecies are not fulfilled, I believe that the messiah hasn't come yet. </p><p><br /></p><p>Therefore I don't believe in the NT, but only in the Hebrew Bible.</p>]]>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 07 Jan 2025 09:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Brother Rando</dc:creator>
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<p>Jehovah set a day in which the living on earth whom are now living will soon be judged and the population will be completely oblivious to the fact. Jehovah knew the Day and Hour he set for when He uttered the First Prophecy in the Garden of Eden. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/genesis/3/#v1003015" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Genesis 3:15</a>) Amazingly this Sacred Secret is now being slowly revealed here on earth to his servants that are called by <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/acts/15/#v44015014" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>His Name</strong></a><strong> </strong>(Jehovah’s Witnesses).</p><p>The Bible gives us insight about Prophecies and that the Fulfillments of them are ‘timed events’. Prophecies often have two fulfillments, a Physical one and then a Spiritual one. In some cases, especially to chosen servants, it is vice versa. To the Spiritually Inclined, a Spiritual Revelation for them to take heed and escape with their lives. Then just a moment latter, as the chosen are escaping, the Revelation of the Prophecy is given to the wicked to allow that the death they are dying is a permanent and everlasting one. So timing and action will be needed at a precise time. After all, Jehovah is the Great Time Keeper.</p><p>The Prophet Daniel gained Spiritual Insight how long the Jews would be kept in captivity by the Babylonians. Prophecy must be backed up by two or three supporting scriptures to establish the matter, “<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/2-corinthians/13/#v47013001" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>On the testimony of two or three witnesses every matter must be established</strong></a><strong>.</strong>”</p><ul><li>“Then you should lie on your left side and lay the guilt of the house of Israel on yourself. You will carry their guilt for the number of days that you lie on your side. And I will impose on you <strong>390 days, corresponding to the years of their guilt, </strong>and you will carry the guilt of the house of Israel.</li><li>And you must complete them. “Then for a second time you will lie down, on your right side, and <strong>you will carry the guilt of the house of Judah for 40 days. A day for a year, a day for a year, </strong>is what I have given you. </li></ul><p>Ezekiel was to lie on his left side for <strong>390 days to “carry the error of the house of Israel</strong>,” <strong>and on his right side for forty days to “carry the error of the house of Judah,</strong>” and each day was shown to stand for a year. <strong>The two periods (of 390 years and of 40 years) thus symbolized evidently stood for the length of Jehovah’s forbearance with the two kingdoms in their idolatrous course.</strong></p><ul><li>So the 390 years ran from the founding of Israel in 997 B.C.E. to the destruction of Jerusalem in 607 B.C.E. <strong><em>— Prophecy fulfilled on 607 BCE</em></strong></li><li> Judah’s 40 years ran from Jeremiah’s appointment as God’s prophet in 647 B.C.E. to Judah’s desolation in 607 B.C.E.​ <strong><em>— Prophecy fulfilled on 607 BCE</em></strong></li><li>in the first year of his reign I, <strong>Daniel, discerned by the books the number of years mentioned in the word of Jehovah to Jeremiah the prophet to fulfill the desolation of Jerusalem, namely, 70 years.</strong> (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/daniel/9/#v27009002" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Daniel 9:2</a>) This date of 607 BCE were not known by Daniel until the Priests were slaughtered, the temple utensils were stolen and taken to Babylon along with those of noble birth including the teenage Daniel. Living the experience and studying the scroll of Jerimiah – along with that start date of 607 BCE, Daniel simply added 70 years to 607 BCE which brings us to 537 BCE.</li></ul><p>You will find that most scholar historians are in line with the Jews returning from exile in the year 537 BCE. So let’s do some simple math with the scriptures: <strong>537 BCE + 70 years = 607 BCE</strong></p><ul><li>And all this land will be reduced to ruins and will become an object of horror, and these nations will <strong>have to serve the king of Babylon for 70 years.</strong>” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/jeremiah/25/#v24025011" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Jeremiah 25:11</a>)</li><li>“But<strong> when 70 years have been fulfilled, I will call to account</strong> the king of Babylon and that nation for their error,’ declares Jehovah, (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/jeremiah/25/#v24025012" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Jeremiah 25:12</a>)</li></ul><p>The truth is simple and can be found by <strong>right hearted ones. </strong>It’s the wicked ones who do not have understanding. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/daniel/12/#v27012010" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>Daniel 12:10</strong></a>) Why not gain the knowledge you need to escape the Last Days as they come to their end? You can keep on living into <a href="https://jehovahwitnessqhub.wordpress.com/the-end-of-wickedness-is-now-at-hand" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the New World</a>, visit<strong> </strong><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>JW.org</strong> </a>today! Request a visit and <a href="https://hub.jw.org/request-visit/en/request" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Get Answers</a>.</p>]]>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2021 03:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Apologetics</category>
        <dc:creator>C Mc</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p><strong>Let me make it clear to all:</strong></p><p>The <strong>New Testament does not have any explicit statement on the Trinity</strong>—apart from <strong>1 John 5:7,</strong> which has been rejected as a medieval addition to the text—but the <strong>Trinitarian evidence is overwhelming</strong>.</p><p>Furthermore, <strong>there are two factors we must all come to grips:</strong></p><ul><li>First, the term, "<strong>Trinity" </strong>is NOT found in Scripture.</li><li>Second,  the Trinity <strong>is a hard concept to understand </strong>to our modern, analytical, and mathematical minds. How can three equal one or one equal three?</li></ul><p>If we are willing to accept the two above points, please, CD Posters/readers and anti-trinitarian, we do find in Scripture <strong>many references to three persons in God. </strong>For many people, this truth<strong> </strong>adds to the confusion in people’s minds. Although the Old Testament emphasizes </p><ul><li>The <strong>exclusive unity of God</strong> (<strong>Deut 6:4; 5:7–11</strong>).</li><li>Also its alluion to the <strong>plurality of God</strong> (<strong>Gen</strong> 1:2, 26; 11:7; 18:1–33; <strong>Exod </strong>23:23). </li></ul><p>Of all <strong>allusions </strong>to this <strong>plurality of God in the Old Testament</strong>, (e.g. <strong>Isa 42:1</strong> and <strong>48:16</strong>), they come very <strong>close to a Trinitarian formulation</strong>. Don't you agree with the points stated above? </p><p>Now, let's settle down and mine the Scriptures on an important subject and stop acting like screaming cats on a "hot tin roof". End this<strong> biblical Guerrilla warfare, </strong>while taking sideswipes at one another's name and character. Jesus is clearly described as <strong>divine in the gospel of John</strong> (John 1:1–3; 20:28). Jesus, himself, proclaims his own <strong>divinity </strong>(John 8:58). </p><p><strong>In the New Testament </strong>we also find clear references to the three persons of the Godhead. </p><ul><li><strong>All three are mentioned at the baptism of Jesus</strong> (Matt 3:16–17).</li><li>During the Lord’s Supper Jesus comforts his disciples with the thought that he and the Father would send the Holy Spirit to guide them after his departure (John 14:16–17).</li><li>All three persons are part of the<strong> baptismal formula found in Jesus’ great commission</strong> to his disciples (Matt 28:19)<ul><li><strong>Paul </strong>readily refers to <strong>all three persons </strong>in many of<strong> his epistles</strong> (Rom 8:9–11; 2 Cor 13:14; 2 Tim 1:3–14; Eph 1:13–14; 3:14–19).</li><li><strong>Peter</strong> acknowledges <strong>the work of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in the salvation </strong>of people (1 Pet 1:2).</li><li><strong>John</strong> is a witness of the<strong> Spirit’s testimony regarding Jesus, the Son of God</strong> (1 John 5:5–9). </li><li><strong>The book of Revelation</strong> -- presents <strong>three persons involved in the final events </strong>of this world (Rev 1:4–5; 22:16–18).</li></ul></li></ul><p>Despite these biblical evidences to the triune God, it becomes somewhat ambivalent for some people because <strong>the Holy Spirit </strong>is often referred to <strong>with metaphors of objects: </strong></p><ul><li><strong>A dove</strong> (Matt 3:16)</li><li><strong>The wind</strong> (John 3:8)</li><li><strong>Fire</strong> (Isa 6:6, 7)</li><li><strong>Water</strong> (John 7:37–39)</li><li><strong>Oil </strong>(Matt 25:1–4). </li></ul><p>Moreover, adding to this ambivalence are some New Testament statements that appear to<strong> refer to Jesus as having had a beginning</strong> when he is referred to as <strong>“begotten”</strong> (<em>monogenes</em>) or “<strong>firstborn of all creation</strong>” (<em>prototokos</em>) (John 3:16; Col 1:15).</p><p><strong>The doctrine of the Trinity brings up some issues:</strong></p><p>Historically,  <strong>the doctrine of the Trinity</strong> is closely c<strong>onnected with the Christological disputes</strong> the early church struggled with. T<strong>he early church</strong> through a series of councils: </p><ul><li><strong>Confirmed the eternal divinity of Jesus.</strong></li><li>Opened the way for a <strong>clarification of the relationship between God the Father and Jesu</strong>s. </li></ul><div><div><p><strong><em>“The more emphatic the church became that Christ was God, the more it came under pressure to clarify how Christ related to God.”</em></strong> Alister E. McGrath, <strong><em>Historical Theology: An Introduction to the History of Christian Thought</em></strong><em> </em>(Malden: Blackwell, 1998), 61.</p></div></div><p>In addition, the the early church <strong>needed to clarify the relationship between Father, Son and Holy Spirit and</strong> involved acceptance of Jesus as Savior and Lord. This meant that the <strong>Trinity</strong> found its way into the creeds of the church. The Niceo-Constantinopolitan creed confesses in part that:</p><div><div><p>We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, . . . We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one Being with the Father. . . . We believe in the <strong><em>Holy Spirit, the Lord</em></strong>, the giver of life, <strong><em>who proceeds from the Father</em></strong>. With the <strong><em>Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified</em></strong>.”</p></div></div><p>Any student of history knows that the<strong> later western versions of the Nicene Creed</strong> <strong>added the clause</strong>: “<em>who proceeds from the Fathe</em>r .” The addition of this clause was one of the issues that led to the great schism between east and west in 1054.</p><p>Until next time, let's search the Scriptures with <strong>an opened mind and little more humility.</strong> Let's allow the spotlight of truth to shine and reveal the organic roots, stems, growth and development of the one God self-revealed in Scripture as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. This important subject must not be bannered about like a common-debate for self-agrandizement. <strong>CM</strong></p><p><br /></p><p><strong>SOURCE: </strong></p><ul><li>G. W. Bromiley, “Trinity,” in Walter A. Elwell, ed., <strong><em>Evangelical Dictionary of Theology</em></strong><em> </em>(Grand Rapids: Baker, 1984), 1112.</li><li>Alister E. McGrath, <strong><em>Historical Theology: An Introduction to the History of Christian Thought</em></strong><em> </em>(Malden: Blackwell, 1998), 61.</li><li>Roger E. Olson, <strong><em>The Story of Christian Theology: Twenty Centuries of Tradition &amp; Reform</em></strong><em> </em>(Downers Grove: InterVarsity, 1999), 195–196.</li></ul>]]>
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        <pubDate>Sat, 01 Jan 2022 23:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Truth</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>-Compiled by Paul &amp; Pat Blizard</p><p>Former Third Generation Jehovah's Witnesses</p><p><br /></p><p>Of all items listed,  on only three have the Watchtower switched their mind. (#59, 60,61)</p><p>All <em>are</em> listed, however, to show the absurdity of Watchtower rules and the absolute control leadership</p><p>has over the lives of members once they join.</p><p>1. God is not a Trinity; the doctrine is inspired by the Devil</p><p>2. Jesus Christ is a "created being," who at one time did not exist</p><p>3. Jesus is not to be worshiped or prayed to-he is only an angel (a.k.a. Michael the archangel)</p><p>4. The Holy Spirit is not a person but is "God's active force" i.e. gravity, electricity etc.</p><p>5. Heaven is hope only for select Jehovah's Witnesses. The majority of JWs hope to live on "paradise earth"</p><p>6. Heaven is limited only to 144,000 Jehovah's Witnesses. There are only 9,105 alive today (2006 figures)</p><p>7. Jehovah's Witnesses are the only "true Christians." All churches and denominations are considered "false religion"</p><p>8. There is no Hell or eternal judgment ("Hell" is simply the grave)</p><p>9. There is no life after death except for the 144,000 Jehovah's Witnesses</p><p>10. Salvation is earned only by being a loyal Jehovah's Witness</p><p>11. Jesus second coming happened invisibly and secretly in 1914</p><p>12. The "first resurrection" occurred in 1918</p><p>13. Jesus did not rise from the dead bodily but as a spirit being</p><p>14. Jesus was equal to Adam (just a man)</p><p>15. Jesus could have sinned and failed in his mission</p><p>16. Jesus was not born the savior but became the savior at his baptism</p><p>17. God is not omnipresent</p><p>18. God is not omniscient</p><p>19. JWs are not sure of their salvation</p><p>20. All earthly governments are controlled by the Devil</p><p>21. The Holy Spirit is only available to select Jehovah's Witnesses</p><p>22. They are forbidden to serve in the military</p><p>23. They are forbidden to buy Girl Scout cookies</p><p>30. They are forbidden to celebrate <strong>any </strong>holidays (Christmas, Easter, etc.)</p><p>31. They are forbidden to celebrate their birthday</p><p>32. They are forbidden to run for or hold a political office</p><p>33. They are forbidden to vote in any political campaign</p><p>34. They are forbidden to serve on a jury</p><p>35. They are forbidden to own or wear a cross</p><p>36. They are forbidden to speak to former members who are shunned (disfellowshipped)</p><p>37. They are forbidden to accept Christmas gifts</p><p>38. They are forbidden to purchase Christian products (books, music, plaques, pictures etc.)</p><p>39. They are forbidden to read Christian literature</p><p>40. They are forbidden to have friends who are not Jehovah's Witnesses</p><p>41. They are forbidden to marry a non-Jehovah's Witness</p><p>42. They are forbidden to salute the flag, stand for the national anthem, or own a flag</p><p>43. They are forbidden to say "God bless you" when someone sneezes.</p><p>44. They are forbidden to have a tattoo</p><p>45. They are forbidden to use pet foods made with blood or blood products</p><p>46. They are forbidden to donate blood or their organs</p><p>47. They are forbidden to read any anti-Jehovah's Witness material</p><p>48. They are forbidden to interpret the Bible without Watchtower literature to explain it</p><p>49. They are forbidden to wear any Christian jewelry</p><p>50. They are forbidden to support their country and be patriotic</p><p>51. They are forbidden to be involved in martial arts, boxing or wrestling</p><p>52. They are forbidden to join any clubs or sports teams</p><p>53. They are forbidden to participate in a school play</p><p>54. They are forbidden to use any tobacco products</p><p>55. They are forbidden to attend the funeral of an ex-Jehovah's Witness</p><p>56. They are forbidden to say "good luck"</p><p>57. They are forbidden to be a police officer</p><p>58. Women are forbidden pray in the presence of men without a hat or head covering</p><p>59. They are forbidden to play chess</p><p>60. They are forbidden to wear jade jewelry</p><p>61. They must not own wind-chimes (they are for chasing away evil spirits)</p><p>62. They must read and study Watchtower literature regularly</p><p>63. They must go from door to door weekly to gain converts</p><p>64. They must attend five meetings per week</p><p>65. Only <em>officially approved</em> sexual practices are allowed in marriage</p><p>66. Jehovah's Witness Kingdom Halls have no windows</p><p>67. If they witness another Jehovah's Witness breaking the rules they must report them to the elders to be interrogated</p><p>68. They are forbidden to take a blood transfusion</p><p>69. Men are forbidden wear beards</p><p>70. The Watchtower organization is God's prophet on earth today</p><p>71. Women must submit to the authority of Watchtower elders</p><p>72. They must forgo vacations to attend annual conventions</p><p>73. They must study Watchtower books at least six months before they can be baptized</p><p>74. Before baptism, one must answer over 80 Bible questions with Scripture references in front of a panel of elders</p><p>75. Most of The Book of Revelation applies to the Jehovah's Witnesses</p><p>76. They cannot celebrate Mothers or Fathers day (it may produce pride)</p><p>77. Kingdom Halls cannot have pews for seating</p><p>78. They must appear before a Judicial Committee if they are caught breaking Watchtower rules (Secret files are kept on all members which record these meetings-these files are kept in New York and are never destroyed)</p><p>79. All pastors are the "Antichrist"</p><p>80. All churches are of Satan</p><p>81. God only speaks through the "Governing Body" in Brooklyn, New York</p><p>82. They are discouraged from attending college</p><p>83. The Lord's supper is only to be eaten by select Jehovah's Witnesses (144,000 group-99.99% of Jehovah's Witnesses are forbidden from taking the Lord's supper)</p><p>84. The Lord's supper can only be celebrated annually</p><p>85. JWs in times of crisis, are strongly discouraged from consulting with family counselors, including mental health professionals who are not Jehovah's Witnesses</p><p>86. Only faithful Jehovah's Witnesses will survive Armageddon</p><p>87. If they have a non-Witness spouse their first loyalty is to the elders over their spouse</p><p>88. Angels direct the Watchtower organization</p><p>89. Judgment day is 1000 years long</p><p>90. If you leave Jehovah's Witnesses or are expelled from the organization you will not be resurrected</p><p>91. Only Jehovah's Witness prayers are heard by God</p><p>92. Man's salvation is secondary in God's plan; Jesus was sent to "vindicate Jehovah's name"</p><p>93. God will destroy all non-Jehovah's Witnesses at Armageddon</p><p>94. They are strongly discouraged from giving to charity (except Watchtower causes)</p><p>95. They must never enter a church building</p><p>96. They must never attend a church service</p><p>97. They are discouraged from buying a two door car-A "Theocratic" or "spiritually strong" Jehovah's Witness will have a full size car for the door to door work</p><p>98. Men must wear short hair</p><p>99. They must refer to all Jehovah's Witnesses as "brother" or "sister"</p><p>100. They can never question what is printed in Watchtower literature</p><p>10l. They must report their witnessing activity to the elders</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><strong>What they're called...</strong></p><p>-JW services are called "meetings"</p><p>-JW hymnals are called "song books" (all songs have to be composed by JWs)</p><p>-The JW religion is referred to by the Witnesses as "The Truth"</p><p>-The JWs call themselves "The only <em>true</em> Christians"</p><p>-The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society Inc. of Brooklyn, New York is called "God's Organization"</p><p>-In conversation JWs call Watchtower headquarters "The Society"</p><p>-All other religions (pagan, Christian, or any world religion) are called "Babylon the Great"</p><p>-All Christian pastors and ministers are called the "Antichrist"</p><p>-Changes in doctrine is called "New Light"</p><p><br /></p><p><strong>-The five meetings JWs must attend are called:</strong></p><p>1. Public Talk</p><p>2. Watchtower Study</p><p>3. Area Book Study</p><p>4. Theocratic School</p><p>5. Service Meeting</p><p><br /></p><p>-A non-Witness is called "a worldly person"</p><p>-A person who rejects the JW message is called a "goat"</p><p>-A person who is studying to become a JW is called "a study"</p><p>-God's judgment on all non JWs is called "Armageddon"</p><p>-The JW Bible is called "New World Translation</p><p>-The door to door work is called "the Service"</p><p>-Those who bring "new light" or new revelations to the JWs are called "The faithful and discreet slave"</p><p>-JWs who have an earthly hope are called "Other Sheep"</p><p>-Old term for JWs with the earthly hope were called "Jonadab"</p><p>-JWs who have a heavenly hope are called "Anointed Remnant"</p><p>-A JW who is enthusiastic is called "theocratic"</p><p>-Every JW is called a "Publisher"</p><p>-Part time door to door workers are called "Auxiliary Pioneers"</p><p>-Full time door to door workers are called "Regular Pioneers"</p><p>-Full time door to door workers who have stricter quotas than Regular Pioneers, are called "Special Pioneers"</p><p>-Appointed Local leaders are called "Elders"</p><p>-Appointed Local helpers/workers are called "Ministerial Servants"</p><p>-The group responsible for discipline are called "The Judicial Committee"</p><p>-A traveling Watchtower representative is called a "Circuit Overseer"</p><p>-The Circuit Overseer's boss is called "District Overseer"</p><p>-The District Overseer's boss is called "Zone Overseer"</p><p>-The Zone Overseer's boss is called "Branch Overseer"</p><p>-The Brooklyn, New York Headquarters is called "Bethel"</p><p>-Headquarters workers are called "Bethelites"</p><p>-A person who is a <em>weak</em> Witness is called "unspiritual" or "Un-theocratic"</p><p>-A JW who is publicly disciplined by the elders is called "publicly reproved"</p><p>-A JW who is privately disciplined by the elders is called "privately reproved"</p><p>-A JW who rejects Watchtower teachings and leaves or is expelled is called "an apostate"</p><p>-A JW who breaks any of the Watchtower rules and does not repent to the elders is "disfellowshipped" (Shunned)</p><p>-A disfellowshipped person who wants to return to the organization, repents to the elders and is called "reinstated"</p><p>-Jehovah's Witness meeting places are called "Kingdom Halls"</p><p><br /></p><p>Source: <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20190728200438/http://watchthetower.net/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">https://web.archive.org/web/20190728200438/http://watchthetower.net/</a></p>]]>
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        <title>The Final Phase of Christ's Presence soon to be revealed...</title>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 11 Apr 2024 00:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Brother Rando</dc:creator>
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<p>When studying prophecy I have encountered a common denominator. The revealing of prophecy comes with a process. I have not yet come across a single prophecy that has occurred in an immediate fashion but rather in a slow revelation. (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/l/r1/lp-e?q=Matthew+24%3A29-31" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:29-31</a>) The phrase 'the tribulation of <em>those days</em>' refers to 'a<em> time of trouble</em>' or Last Days. Aren't these last days dark with <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024008" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">pangs of distress</a>? This <em>allotment of troubled times</em> is a <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/bible-glossary/conclusion-system-of-things/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Conclusion of a System of things</a>. The End of the Gentile times in 1914 ushered in the Last Days. There was an Arabic term used in Biblical times when a Ruler fell from grace, the term used was <strong><em>'His Heaven has Fallen!</em></strong>" The effects would be felt by <strong><em>all the inhabitants</em></strong> of the earth. The scripture gives us some very detailed information as the scripture ends with, 'the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.' (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024029" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:29</a>) <em>It's Spiritual </em>and these signs or (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/8/#v66008013" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">woes</a>) have been occurring since 1914, the year Satan and his hordes were hurled out of Heaven onto the earth. Each of the three woes consist of <strong>a period of 40 years of refinement.</strong> "Woe, woe, woe to those dwelling on the earth" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/8/#v66008013" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 8:13</a>)</p><p>As this third and final woe comes to its' end, Jesus will quietly begin to separate the faithful. The sudden appearance of the Great Crowd begins to be renewed and restored physically as they begin to outlive the wicked as they gain insight. (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/bl/r1/lp-e?q=daniel%2012%3A9-10" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Daniel 12: 9-10</a>) The wicked? Well, they have No Understanding at All. Not knowing which way is up or down. They become deaf, dumb, and stupid to <em>the truth BEFORE</em> they die the second death. In some cases, those who become so animalistic to do harm to the righteous may experience a sudden death in the manner of a <a href="https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/expedite#:~:text=1,%3A%20speed%20up" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">expedited removal </a>of such ones. This will be a warning to the remaining ones as their life slowly ebbs away.</p><p>The following verse states, 'Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven'. That sign began in 1914 <strong>causing all the tribes of the earth to beat themselves in grief</strong>, including those who are rightly disposed for everlasting life, even those whom are anointed are not immune to Satan's woes upon the earth. "For just as the lightning comes out of the east and shines over to the west, so the Presence of the Son of man will be." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024027" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:27</a>) What is that sign? The four horsemen that ride, all have work to do. These <strong>four horsemen</strong> are part of that <a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2005721" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Composite Sign</a> spoken of in Jesus' answer to the question, “Tell us, when will these things be, and <em>what will be the sign </em>of your Presence and of the Conclusion of the system of things?” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:3</a>) They give evidence of Christ's Presence as the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and glory.</p><p>Christ 'will send out his angels with a great trumpet sound,' but what is the purpose? 'They will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds'. "<em>The Lord himself</em> will descend from heaven with <strong>a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet</strong>, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/1-thessalonians/4/#v52004016" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 Thess 4:16</a>) This prophecy was first spoken of at (<a href="https://www.brorando.com/post/a-new-world-approaches" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Daniel 12:1-2</a>) "Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, <strong>until after we have sealed the slaves of our God</strong> in their foreheads.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/7/#v66007003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 7:3</a>) "And I heard the number of those who were sealed, 144,000" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/7/#v66007004" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 7:4</a>)</p><p>The completion of the sealing of the 144,000 paves the way for the Last Days to come to their end. With that, the (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024008" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">pangs of distress</a>) quietly come to their end for those rightly disposed for everlasting life, <strong>the Great Crowd</strong>. This very well could be the event that brings the Pollical Kings together proclaiming peace and security. "Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them, just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/1-thessalonians/5/#v52005003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 Thessalonians 5:3</a>)</p><p>However, once the Last Days come to their end, the ones who are deceived by the Kings of Gog of Magog by <em>refusing to give Jehovah and his Anointed One credit</em> will begin dying a death of everlasting destruction, the second death with no hope of a resurrection. They die forever in the manner of Adam and Eve. However, as they die off without knowing of such, they do eventually begin to witness a wonderous phenomenon that positively provides undeniable proof of Christ's Presence as our Brothers and Sisters begin to Receive the Blessings of Jehovah's Kingdom Government. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/daniel/2/#v27002044" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Daniel 2:44</a>) This Revelation is the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory!</p><p>The Final Phase of Christ's Presence will <strong>Slowly Be Revealed as a Witness for All to SEE.</strong> The wicked will <strong>lament </strong>at seeing our Brothers and Sisters getting healthier as each day passes.</p><ul><li>"He forgives all your errors And heals all your ailments; He reclaims your life from the pit And crowns you with his loyal love and mercy. He satisfies you with good things all your life, So that your youth is renewed like that of an eagle." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/psalms/103/#v19103003-v19103005" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Psalm 103:3-5</a>)</li><li>"Let his flesh become fresher than in youth; Let him return to the days of his youthful vigor." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/job/33/#v18033025" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Job 33:25</a>)</li></ul><p>Once the wicked recognize <strong><em>the Reality</em></strong> that they are dying of sickness and old age, they will look for a faster way to die themselves. "In those days people will seek death but will by no means find it, and they will long to die, but death will flee from them." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/9/#v66009006" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 9:6</a>) The death they die will be a Slow one, so don't feel sorry for such ones who hate God's Holy Name with slander. They holler and scream with <a href="https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vitriol#:~:text=1,language%20or%20criticism" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>vitriol vile</strong></a> as they are tormented day and night at SEEING faithful brothers and sisters out live them becoming perfect in health little by little. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/exodus/23/#v2023030" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Exodus 23:30</a>) The sacred secret about <strong>the Great Tribulation</strong> that begins soon after<em> the Conclusion of the Last Days </em>is that it doesn't affect everyone, like <em>the tribulation of those days that began in 1914, </em>but <strong>only the wicked!</strong></p><p>Soon, very soon, Jehovah's Witnesses will end New Bible Studies and walk away from those who Jesus Christ has deemed hypocrites in (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/2-timothy/3/#v55003001-v55003005" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>2 Timothy 3:1-5</strong></a>). This phenomenal display will prove to be too much for the wicked who reviled your faith as they witness your vitality of unbounding health and happiness. "<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/awake-no1-2020-mar-apr/stress-free-life-possible/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Look! My servants will shout joyfully because of the good condition of the heart,</a> But you will cry out because of the pain of heart And you will wail because of a broken spirit." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/isaiah/65/#v23065014" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Isaiah 65:14</a>)</p>]]>
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        <pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2018 12:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Dave_L</dc:creator>
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        <pubDate>Sat, 22 Jul 2023 18:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Brother Rando</dc:creator>
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<p>Imagine opening the Bible, and of all sudden, like a bolt of lightning, being instantly stuck with the Manifestation of God's Holy Name in the New Testament!</p><p>The Greek language contains two Greek titles for God.  The first title is <strong>θεόν </strong>(theon) and it refers to 'the God" as Supreme One or Self-Existent One. The second Greek title <strong>θεός </strong>(theos) can apply to God, a god, or gods and is shared with many. But <strong>θεόν </strong>(theon) refers to only to the True God as in (John 17:3).  <strong>θεόν </strong>(theon) is a superlative title given to Jehovah alone. </p><p>According to the Gesenius' Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon. It mentions that later Hebrews, for some centuries before the time of Christ, either Misled by False Interpretation of certain laws, or else following some old superstition. Then goes on to tell us, that every time the later Hebrews came upon the Name of God, they substituted Lord. They also pointed out that <strong>θεόν </strong>was in reference to God's Name.  </p><div>
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<p>So let's try to insert our newly found information and see if it holds true. </p><ul><li>"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Jehovah, and the Word was a god."(John 1:1)</li><li>No man has seen Jehovah at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him. (John 1:18)</li></ul><p>Here are a few notable scriptures with the superlative title <strong>θεόν </strong>(theon) :</p><p><a href="https://biblehub.com/text/john/14-1.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>John 14:1</strong></a><strong> </strong><a href="https://biblehub.com/abbrev.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>N-AMS</strong></a></p><p><a href="https://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/14.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">GRK:</a> εἰς τὸν <strong>θεόν</strong> καὶ εἰς</p><p><a href="https://biblehub.com/nas/john/14.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">NAS:</a> believe <em>in God,</em> believe</p><p><a href="https://biblehub.com/kjvs/john/14.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">KJV:</a> ye believe in <em>God,</em> believe also</p><p><a href="https://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/14-1.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">INT:</a> on <em>God</em> also on</p><p><a href="https://biblehub.com/text/john/17-3.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>John 17:3</strong></a><strong> </strong><a href="https://biblehub.com/abbrev.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>N-AMS</strong></a></p><p><a href="https://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/17.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">GRK:</a> μόνον ἀληθινὸν <strong>θεὸν</strong> καὶ ὃν</p><p><a href="https://biblehub.com/nas/john/17.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">NAS:</a> true <em>God,</em> and Jesus</p><p><a href="https://biblehub.com/kjvs/john/17.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">KJV:</a> the only true <em>God,</em> and Jesus</p><p><a href="https://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/17-3.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">INT:</a> only true <em>God</em> and whom</p><p><a href="https://biblehub.com/text/john/20-17.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>John 20:17</strong></a><strong> </strong><a href="https://biblehub.com/abbrev.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>N-AMS</strong></a></p><p><a href="https://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/20.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">GRK:</a> ὑμῶν καὶ <strong>θεόν</strong> μου καὶ</p><p><a href="https://biblehub.com/nas/john/20.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">NAS:</a> and your Father, <em>and My God</em> and your God.'</p><p><a href="https://biblehub.com/kjvs/john/20.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">KJV:</a> and [to] my <em>God,</em> and your</p><p><a href="https://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/20-17.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">INT:</a> of you and <em>God</em> of me and</p><p><br /></p><p>Inserting God's Name doesn't flow smoothly in all 148 Greek occurrences. For example, in John 17:3 inserting the meaning of the title <strong>θεόν </strong>(theon) not only fits, but gives deeper understanding.</p><ul><li>This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true Supreme One, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.</li><li>This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true Self-Existent One, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.</li></ul><p>Then again, the quote from Jesus Christ invoking the title <strong>θεόν </strong>in (John 14:1)</p><ul><li>Do not let your hearts be troubled. Exercise faith in Jehovah; exercise faith also in me.</li></ul><p><br /></p>]]>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 03 Apr 2024 02:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Brother Rando</dc:creator>
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<p>“But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, betrayers, headstrong, puffed up with pride, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, having an appearance of godliness but proving false to its power; and from these turn away.” (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/l/r1/lp-e?q=2+Timothy+3%3A1-5" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">2 Timothy 3:1-5</a>)</p><p><a href="https://www.brorando.com/post/the-last-days-when" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">The Last Days</a> (<em>pangs of distress</em>) do not last for an exhaustive period of time but do have an ending to them. It’s <em>an allotment period of time</em> of 120 years, like the Days of Noah. This allotment is a <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/bible-glossary/conclusion-system-of-things/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Conclusion of a System of things</a>.</p><p><strong>Better times lay ahead of us as the pangs of distress come to their end, but not for everyone.</strong> “Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until after we have sealed the slaves of our God in their foreheads.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/7/#v66007003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 7:3</a>) Notice that harm to the earth, sea, or trees are being withheld until after we have sealed the slaves of our God in their foreheads. Once the total number of the 144,000 are sealed, then a colossal of other prophecies begin to become fulfilled. <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/1-corinthians/7/#v46007029" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Time left is reduced</a> and turning back will no longer be a recourse once the 144,000 are sealed, which will bring the end of ungodly people as they begin dying a permanent death with No Resurrection. The death they die is no longer a temporary death but a permanent one in the same manner that Adam and Eve died. They die forever!</p><p>The question about this prophecy is when. Will it be revealed in the future, or are we living it now? In the first part of 1914, the Bible Students known as International Bible Students Association discussed the <strong>“time of trouble”</strong> on the printed page called The Bible Students Monthly.</p><p>Early in 1914, an issue of The Bible Students Monthly was issued with the large bold heading “END OF WORLD IN 1914? Some have quoted the large headline of this tract as proof that Russell was expecting the “end of the world” in 1914. However, such ones neglect to read the subheading under the larger headline, which states: “NOT THE VIEW OF PASTOR RUSSELL NOR OF I.B.S.A.”</p><p><strong>International Bible Students Association:</strong> “Nevertheless, when viewed from God’s standpoint, we are still “shortly after” 1914. Although Russell himself did not think the time of trouble would be this long, he did allow that it could be. It is possible that the time allotted for this period is 120 years (1914+120=2034), but that these days will be “cut short” some time before they are allowed to reach their end. We do not put this forth as a “prophecy”, nor would we feel anything was wrong if 2034 came and went and nothing had happened as far the full binding of Satan and the destruction of his empire is concerned. All things are in God’s hands.”</p><p>What does 2034 represent? The Epiphaneia of Christ’s Presence <em>to the wicked ones</em> for the righteous already know of Christ Presence since 1914. The Epiphany was spoken of in the same article “END OF WORLD IN 1914?” It represents that Ah-ah moment of the realization of an undergoing prophecy. Jehovah’s people will soon start to notice their health is generally getting better a little at a time and start sharing these revelations with one another. The wicked and lawless ones will begin to notice when it’s too late to turn around and repent after many warnings of this day, they will be brought to nothing by the second and everlasting death. “Then, indeed, the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth and <strong><em>Bring to Nothing by the Manifestation of his Presence</em></strong>.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/2-thessalonians/2/#v53002008" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">2 Thessalonians 2:8</a>) The Greek word for manifestation is Epiphaneia…</p><p>This is where it is critical to gain the understanding of what the Great Tribulation is. <strong>The Great Tribulation is marked by an outbreak of “</strong><a href="https://www.un.org/en/global-issues/peace-and-security" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>Peace and Security!</strong></a><strong>”  </strong>During this short <a href="https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/respite" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">respite</a> of <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/Is-This-Life-All-There-Is/Could-It-Be-a-Masterful-Deception/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">DECEPTION</a> among the nations, the Bible reveals, “Why are the nations agitated And the peoples muttering an empty thing? The kings of the earth take their stand And high officials gather together as one Against Jehovah and against his anointed one.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/psalms/2/#v19002002" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Psalms 2:1-2</a>)</p><p>The Presence of the Son of of Man began in <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-teach/1914-significant-year-bible-prophecy/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1914</a>. “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. <em> All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress.</em>” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024007" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:7-8</a>)</p><p>“For just as the lightning comes out of the east and shines over to the west, <em>so the Presence of the Son of man will be.</em>” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024027" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:27</a>) Are you gaining the understanding that these things are fulfilled in a Spiritual Manner? Ever since <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-teach/1914-significant-year-bible-prophecy/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1914</a>, right-hearted ones have been witnessing the Presence of the Son of man. After<strong> </strong><a href="https://jehovahwitnessqhub.wordpress.com/2024/02/20/2034-and-its-significance/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>2034</strong></a>, the wicked will also start to gain the understanding that they are really dying and lament all the way to their end of everlasting destruction.</p><p>As the <a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/l/r1/lp-e?q=2+Timothy+3%3A1-5" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Last Days</a> come to their conclusion and the separating work come to its completion, even the wicked will SEE after it is too late! Yes, the Revealing of the Son of Man will soon begin for the ‘ungodly’ as we begin heading into Christ Millennial Reign.</p><p>What is the ‘<em>sudden destruction</em>‘ that comes upon the unfaithful, <em>once the pangs of distress comes to their end?</em> The Bible reveals it in this manner:</p><ul><li>“And this is the scourge with which Jehovah will scourge all the peoples who wage war against Jerusalem: Their flesh will rot away while they stand on their feet, their eyes will rot away in their sockets, and their tongues will rot away in their mouths.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/zechariah/14/#v38014012" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Zechariah 14:12</a>)</li></ul><p>These ones begin dying the same death as Adam and Eve are then figuratively hurled into <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/lake-of-fire/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the lake of fire</a>, they die ‘the second death’ knowing their death is well deserved but wailing to mountains fall over us! Jehovah warns the angel not to feel sorry for such ones. “And to the others he said in my hearing: “Go through the city after him and strike. Do not let your eye feel sorry, and do not feel any compassion.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/ezekiel/9/#v26009005" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Ezekiel 9:5</a>)</p><p>Once ‘the wicked’ witness the sign of the Son of Man, that our brothers and sisters simply <strong>keep on living </strong>beyond the 70 or 80 years becoming 90 and 100 with improved health. Incited with <a href="https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/intermittent-explosive-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20373921" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Incontrollable Rage,</a> Gog of Magog will come to destroy God’s Name People. “In that day confusion from Jehovah will be widespread among them; and each one will grab hold of the hand of his companion, and his hand will come against the hand of his companion.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/zechariah/14/#v38014013" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Zechariah 14:13</a>) So it is written, so it shall come to pass!</p><p>IF you Love Justice, and Hate Injustice, why not take a stand today by asking for a Free <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/free-bible-study/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Home Bible Study</a>. Go in Peace!</p>]]>
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<p>Imagine a time when people no longer treat one another like animals. I know, it’s hard to fathom. After all, religion herself is the cause for many wars, causing strife and hatred that permeates mankind, but not for much longer. These manifestations will soon reveal themselves all over the world and is also known as the revealing of the Son of Man. This phase is the third and final phase known as <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/bible-glossary/presence/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the revelation phase</a> of the Presence of Christ.</p><p>One would think that all of mankind would welcome such a wonderful environment but the majority of earth’s inhabitants will actually reject and fight against this revelation tooth and nail, for mankind’s inhabitants as a whole have become wicked and godless. We read:</p><ul><li>But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, betrayers, headstrong, puffed up with pride, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, having an appearance of godliness but proving false to its power; and from these turn away. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/2-timothy/3/#v55003001-v55003005" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">2 Timothy 3:1-5</a>)</li></ul><p>After reading this scripture, you may have gained discernment that we could already have come into this period of critical times and you will have assumed correctly. This time period has been prophesied about in the Bible to give righteous ones a heads up. This time period is also called a time of distress, a time of anxiety, the last days, or the last days of wickedness. We entered this time period in <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/bible-glossary/conclusion-system-of-things/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>1914</strong></a><strong> </strong>and we were warned about it from faithful men. One of those Biblical accounts is (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/daniel/12/#v27012001" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Daniel 12:1</a>) which reads:</p><ul><li>During that time Michael will stand up, the Great Prince who is standing in behalf of your people. And there will occur <strong>a time of distress </strong>such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time. And during that time your people will escape, everyone who is found written down in the book.</li></ul><p>Notice this period is <strong>a time of distress</strong> which means this period does not go on and on with the no end to them. They in fact do come and will come to an end. But a work would need to be done first. A warning and a witness would need to be given out on a global basis. A heads up as you will. “And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024014" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:14</a>)</p><p>The end that comes about is not the end of the earth, but rather then end of wickedness. This system of things is on its way out! Jesus Christ calmly stated, “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father. For just as the days of Noah were, so t<em>he Presence of the Son of man will be</em>.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024036-v40024037" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:36-37</a>)</p><p>If you appreciated this witness about the Good News about God’s Kingdom, then I ask you to fill out this <a href="https://hub.jw.org/request-visit/en/request" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">form</a> for a Free Bible Study. The scriptures state, “And <strong>during that time </strong>your people will escape, everyone who is found written down in the book.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/daniel/12/#:~:text=And%20during%20that%20time%20your%20people%20will%20escape%2Cc%20everyone%20who%20is%20found%20written%20down%20in%20the%20book." rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Daniel 12:1</a>)</p><p>That time is Now, the book which is <em>also</em> known as the Book of Life is the Bible. We invite you and your family to come into our interior rooms until the denunciation passes as the days of wickedness come to their end. Get the Answers you seek to keep on living into Christ Millennial Reign.</p>]]>
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        <pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2024 18:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>Many Countries offer Social Benefits to their citizens to give them a helping hand. These Benefits were meant to be given for a limited time. Those precious benefits will come to an abrupt end as <a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2012681" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the Political Kings of the earth </a>turn against the World of False Religion to confiscate and plunder her Wealth.</p><ul><li>Look! I am about to throw her into a sickbed, and those committing adultery with her <strong>into great tribulation</strong>, unless they repent of her deeds. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/2/#v66002022" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 2:22</a>)</li><li>And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/18/#v66018004" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 18:4</a>)</li><li>“And the kings of the earth who committed sexual immorality with her and lived with her in shameless luxury will weep and beat themselves in grief over her when they see the smoke from her burning. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/18/#v66018009" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 18:19</a>)</li></ul><p>The Wealth and goods obtained will be used to fund their armies and enforcers to do a house to house check to see if you and your family are bending your knees to <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/revelation-13-beast/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the Wild Beast</a> in worship. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/13/#v66013004" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 13:4</a>) By the time of the Enforcement comes, your assets will have already been confiscated to weaken your resistance and your family members could be used as bargaining chips for your cooperation whether you are willing or unwilling. "Whoever seeks to keep his life safe will lose it, but whoever loses it will preserve it alive." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/luke/17/#v42017033" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Luke 17:33</a>)</p><p>The Bible points to who makes up the members of <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/ws20150515/gog-of-magog/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Gog of Magog</a>, and if you are uninformed, what is coming your way will make you shutter. The shock that will overcome you will be such a traumatic experience you will look for death but not able to find it. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/9/#v66009006" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 9:6</a>) If you have faith, it will severely be tested and if you have no faith, you will be swept away not knowing which way to turn like a caged wild animal.</p><p>Your Social Benefits will cease and be used to fund the Enforcement. Maybe your Health Benefit expires, then all of a sudden your food benefit. Your complex in <strong>not knowing what is going on</strong> and then your shelter benefit is removed. Maybe you are forcibly removed from your house for not paying your taxes. You can't buy or sell anything, your funds no longer exist that were in your bank account, all access is closed and you're locked out. The Bank will not respond or answer any questions. The government issues a notice if you have any cash to exchange it with the Wild Beast for pennies on the dollar. Those who have cash but refuse to exchange their cash will lose it because there will be a certain date of expiration on all currency in any form, including precious metals such as gold and silver. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/daniel/11/#v27011043" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Daniel 11:43</a>) No matter how much you have saved or stored up for yourself, you will lose it. If you worship any god other than the Wild Beast, you and your family will be thrown into the lion's pit sort to speak.</p><ul><li>All the royal officials, prefects, satraps, high royal officers, and governors have consulted together to establish a royal decree and to enforce a ban, that for 30 days whoever makes a petition to any god or man except to you, O king, should be thrown into the lions’ pit. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/daniel/6/#v27006007" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Daniel 6:7</a>)</li></ul><p>It won't matter what religion you are or even if you're an <a href="https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheist" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Athiest</a>. Worship the Wild Beast or start losing your family and friends one by one while you stand there motionless in shock as the life drains away from your loved ones. AS the members of Gog and Magog are gathered by the demonic forces to get ready for the Enforcement, there will be one people left. Those who are holding onto their integrity to the One True God which enrages Satan to Act:</p><ul><li>You will say: “I will invade the land of unprotected settlements. I will come against those living in security, without disturbance, all of them living in settlements unprotected by walls, bars, or gates.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/ezekiel/38/#v26038011" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Ezekiel 38:11</a>)</li></ul><p>According to Bible Prophecy, it is <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/mediaitems/VODBibleTeachings/pub-jwbcov_201505_11_VIDEO" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Jehovah's Anointed One</a> that will Destroy Gog of Magog for coming after his Named People. The scriptures give us insight and a warning regarding to listening to instruction from the two spies whom gave specific directions to Rahab. "You should gather your father, your mother, your brothers, and all your father’s household with you into the house. Then if anyone goes out the doors of your house into the open, his blood will be on his own head, and we will be free from guilt. But if harm comes to anyone who remains with you in the house, his blood will be on our heads." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/joshua/2/#v6002018-v6002019" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Joshua 2:18-19</a>)</p><p>Let the scripture interpret scripture. Compare the Spies instruction to Rahab to the following:</p><ul><li>Go, my people, enter your inner rooms, And shut your doors behind you. Hide yourself for a brief moment Until the wrath has passed by. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/isaiah/26/#v23026020" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Isaiah 6:20</a>)</li></ul><p>Rahab and her family were saved while those on the outside were destroyed. And sanctuary is promised to those who enter our congregations of inner rooms meaning they have a good standing with Jehovah. But notice the scripture that we often use for the great tribulation.</p><ul><li>Jehovah said to him: “Go through the city, through Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who are sighing and groaning over all the detestable things that are being done in the city.” And to the others he said in my hearing: “Go through the city after him and strike. Do not let your eye feel sorry, and do not feel any compassion." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/ezekiel/9/#v26009004-v26009005" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Ezekiel 9:4-5</a>)</li></ul><p>The marking on the foreheads is the mark for survival. These ones keep on living through the great tribulation and enter into the new world as survivors known as <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-september-2019/great-crowd/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the great crowd</a>. But notice it happens at a time of 'sighing and groaning over all the detestable things that are being done'. Also, notice <strong>where</strong> the slaughter of the wicked starts from?</p><ul><li>Old man, young man, virgin, little child, and women you should kill off completely. But<strong><em> do not go near to any man on whom there is the mark</em></strong><em>. </em><strong><em>You should start from my sanctuary.</em></strong><em> </em>So they started with the elders who were in front of the house. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/ezekiel/9/#v26009006" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Ezekiel 9:6</a>)</li></ul><p>Our current understanding of this scripture is that it occurs after the great tribulation begins which we believe is in the near future. So the term '<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/pure-worship/corruption/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">My Sanctuary</a>' may need some refining as to the meaning. It certainly has to do with 'Pure Worship' and if that is the case then the Congregation of God would be 'My Sanctuary'. The Temple of God would be Jesus Christ and the 144,000. Also, the action of removing or the cutting off 'started with the elders who were in front of the house', those who willingly forsook the offering of worship services, and praise which began in 1919. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/13/#v40013037-v40013042" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 13:37-42</a>)</p><ul><li>Immediately after <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/2-timothy/3/#v55003001" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the tribulation of those days</a>, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024029" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:29</a>)</li><li>Therefore, just as the weeds are collected and burned with fire, <strong>so it will be in the conclusion of the system of things</strong>. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/13/#v40013040" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 13:40</a>)</li></ul><p>Allow the scripture to guide you. There are two meanings, one, is in the literal sense after the period of the Last Days has ended which is coming to a conclusion now or second, it is Spiritual and happening at the Beginning of the Last Days in 1914. After all, an Arabic rendering applies to a Ruler being removed from their office of Rulership is that <em>'</em><strong><em>his heaven has fallen</em></strong><em>'</em> which happened to Satan being hurled out of the Heavens in 1914 which the World rejects today. Not to mention that Charles Taze Russell gave us divine warning that <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/daniel/12/#v27012001" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Daniel 12:1</a> would undergo fulfillment in 1914 as the End of the Gentile times.</p><p>Indication and scripture points to 1914 and the Beginning as to 'My Sanctuary' started with the elders who were in front of the house in 1919! The elders in this sense were Unfaithful Brothers who rejected the Presence of Christ and became apostates to turn others away from the organization of the Faithful and Discreet Slave. The Book of Matthew continues, "Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and <strong>all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief</strong>, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024030" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:30</a>)</p><p>Again two meanings, if literal it would occur after the Last Days have concluded. But if Spiritual, the prophecy began unfolding in 1919. Why? Aren't <strong>all the tribes of the earth beating themselves in grief </strong>today? Don't Jehovah's Witnesses grieve today because of the three horsemen? Not only does the World grieve the three horsemen, but do they not shun the Rider of the fourth horse whose <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/19/#v66019013" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Name is the Word of God</a>? (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/3/#v66003020" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 3:20</a>)</p><p>Wake Up O Sleeper! It's very interesting when scripture reveals itself how people become so stubborn. "The sun will be turned into darkness and the moon into blood <strong>Before</strong> the coming of the great and awe-inspiring day of Jehovah." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/joel/2/#v29002031" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Joel 2:31</a>) Immediately after <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/2-timothy/3/#v55003001" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the tribulation of those days</a>, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024029" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:29</a>) And there will occur <strong>a time of distress such as has not occurred since</strong> there came to be a nation until that time. And during that time your people will escape, everyone who is found written down in the book. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/daniel/12/#v27012001" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Daniel 12:1</a>) 1914 or a future date? To claim we have not entered into a time of distress such as has not occurred since is to deny Prophecy. The Last Days of Satan's System of things do not go on forever, they do and will come to their End!</p><ul><li>“Go subduing<strong> in the midst of your enemies</strong>.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/psalms/110/#v19110001-v19110002" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Psalm 110:1- 2</a>) Those enemies are not instantly destroyed but are bundled up to die a permanent death like that of Adam and Eve. The fiery furnace is symbolic speech for everlasting death.</li></ul><p>For as they were in those days before the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, <strong>so the PRESENCE of the Son of man will Be. </strong>(<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024038-v40024039" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:38-39</a>) It's Spiritual.... otherwise you would have no need to prove yourself ready.</p><ul><li>On this account, you too prove yourselves ready, because <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/Reasoning-From-the-Scriptures/Return-of-Christ/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the Son of man is coming</a> at an hour that you do not think to be it. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024044" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:44</a>)</li><li>Three Phases of <a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1954447#:~:text=30%2C%20NW.-,PRESENCE%2C%20MANIFESTATION%2C%20REVELATION,would%20accomplish%20deliverance%20for%20them%20far%20beyond%20their%20own%20private%20expectations.,-FIXING%20THE%20RESPONSIBILITY" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Christ' Presence</a></li><li>“As for me and my household, we shall serve Jehovah.” (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/bc/r1/lp-e/201987362/0/0" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Joshua 24:14-15</a>)</li></ul><p>If you like Bible Based Videos please watch some @ <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/categories/VODBibleTeachings" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Bible Teachings</a></p>]]>
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        <title>What is so special about the decade of the 2030's?</title>
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        <pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2024 02:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>The Ruler of this World will have reached his <a href="https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pinnacle#:~:text=3,or%20achievement%20%3A" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Pinnacle</a> to have his Nations united in cause to spew mankind's <a href="https://sdgs.un.org/2030agenda" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Biggest Lie of Propaganda</a> that the world has ever heard.</p><p>Satan has offered these nations of  his kingdom/governments to Jesus Christ some 2,000 years ago, if only Jesus would simply do an act of worship towards him. </p><p>What was Jesus' response to Satan? Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/4/#v40004010" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matt 4:10</a>)</p><p>The Bible calls Jesus Christ the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God at (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/3/#v66003014" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 3:14</a>). Ever since <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/ebtv/world-changed-since-1914/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1914</a> the Bible informs mankind, "Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing that he has a short period of time.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/12/#v66012012" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 12:12</a>) Satan has been gathering the nations and desperately trying to unite them ever since <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/mediaitems/VODMinistryImproveSkills/pub-jwbkm_201410_1_VIDEO" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1914</a>. Even though all the earthly nations are under Satan's Rule, they are still fragmented and at war with one another to gain possession of land, riches, wealth, and influence over other competing nations. <strong>Very soon these same nations will turn in a blink of an eye from fighting to declaring peace with one another.</strong> At that very moment one could apply these prophecies:</p><ul><li>Let the one who is unrighteous continue in unrighteousness, and let the filthy one continue in his filth; but let the righteous one continue in righteousness, and let the holy one continue in holiness. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/22/#v66022011" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 22:11</a>)</li><li> Now as for the times and the seasons, brothers, you need nothing to be written to you.  For you yourselves know very well that Jehovah’s day is coming exactly as a thief in the night. <strong>Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them, just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape.</strong> (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/1-thessalonians/5/#v52005001-v52005003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 Thess 5:1-3</a>)</li><li>All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/25/#v40025032" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 25:32</a>)</li></ul><p>The following 'timed events' are fulfilments of various prophecies that reveal the Son of Man's Presence. But (many) will not see. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024037" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:37</a>)</p><ul><li>2030</li><li>2033</li><li>2034</li><li>2039</li></ul><p>When these 'timed events' come and go, then those who are remaining to be sifted and sorted will begin to say, "Where is this promised presence of his?" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/2-peter/3/#v61003004" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">2 Peter 3:4</a>)  For the vision is yet for its appointed time, And it is rushing toward its end, and it will not lie. Even if it should delay, keep in expectation of it! For it will without fail come true. It will not be late! (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/habakkuk/2/#v35002003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Habakkuk 2:3</a>)</p><p>Would you like to learn more about the Bible and its precious truths it holds for you?  This is Your Personal Invitation as Jesus Christ is gathering the things in heaven and upon the earth.</p><h5><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">JW.org  </a></h5><p><br /></p>]]>
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        <pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2022 22:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p><strong>The True God has One Name </strong>but<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/names-of-god/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"> <strong>that Name</strong> </a>is transliterated differently according to different languages.</p><div>
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<p><br /></p><p>“I am<strong> Jehovah</strong>. That is my name.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/isaiah/42/#v23042008" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Isaiah 42:8</a>)  English Translation.</p><p>"I <em>am</em> <strong>Yahweh</strong>; that <em>is</em> my name," (<a href="https://biblia.com/bible/leb/isaiah/42/8" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Isaiah 42:8</a>) Hebrew Translation to Englsih.</p><p>"Εγώ είμαι ο <strong>Ιεχωβά</strong>. Αυτό είναι το όνομά μου·" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/el/%CE%B2%CE%B9%CE%B2%CE%BB%CE%B9%CE%BF%CE%B8%CE%AE%CE%BA%CE%B7/%CE%B1%CE%B3%CE%AF%CE%B1-%CE%B3%CF%81%CE%B1%CF%86%CE%AE-online/nwt/%CE%B2%CE%B9%CE%B2%CE%BB%CE%AF%CE%B1/%CE%97%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%90%CE%B1%CF%82/42/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Isaiah 42:8</a>) Greek Translation.</p><p>"Я <strong>Иегова</strong>. Это моё имя. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/ru/%D0%B1%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%B0/%D0%B1%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%8F/nwt/%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B6%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%B9%D1%8F/42/#v23042008" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Isaiah 42:8</a>) Russian Translation.</p><p>"אֲנִי <strong>יְהֹוָה</strong>.‏ זֶהוּ שְׁמִי;‏" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/he/%D7%A1%D7%A4%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%99%D7%94/%D7%9E%D7%A7%D7%A8%D7%90/nwt/%D7%A1%D7%A4%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D/%D7%99%D7%A9%D7%A2%D7%99%D7%94%D7%95/42/#v23042008" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Isaiah 42:8</a>) Hebrew Script.</p><p><br /></p><ul><li>Read the Bible in <a href="https://www.jw.org/he/%D7%A1%D7%A4%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%99%D7%94/%D7%9E%D7%A7%D7%A8%D7%90/nwt/%D7%A1%D7%A4%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Hebrew</a>.  </li><li>JW.org in <a href="https://www.jw.org/he/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Hebrew</a> includes Videos!</li></ul>]]>
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        <dc:creator>Jan</dc:creator>
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        <pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2022 09:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>Praised be <strong>{</strong><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/psalms/83/#v19083018" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>Jehovah</strong></a><strong>}</strong> the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/1-peter/1/#v60001003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 Peter 1:3</a>)   Raising his eyes to heaven, Jesus spoke these things, and he said: “<strong>Father</strong>, the hour has come. Glorify your son so that your son may glorify you, (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/john/17/#v43017001" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 17:1</a>)  This means everlasting life, their coming to know <strong>YOU, the only true God,</strong> and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/john/17/#v43017003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 17:3</a>)  I have made <strong>your name manifest</strong> to the men whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours, and you gave them to me, and they have observed your word. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/john/17/#v43017006" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 17:6</a>)  I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that<strong> they may be one just as we are one. </strong>(<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/john/17/#v43017022" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 17:22</a>)  <strong>Righteous Father</strong>, the world has, indeed, not come to know you, but I know you, and <strong>these have come to know that You Sent Me.</strong>  <strong>I have made your name known to them</strong> and will make it known, so that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/john/17/#v43017022" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 17:25-26</a>)</p><p>You must pray, then, this way: “Our Father in the heavens, <strong>let your name be sanctified</strong>.  Let your Kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also on earth.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/6/#v40006009" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 6:9-10</a>)  Go in through the narrow gate, because broad is the gate and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are going in through it;  whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are finding it. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/7/#v40007013" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 7:13-14</a>) Concerning that day or the hour <strong>nobody knows, neither the angels in heaven nor the Son, but the Father.</strong> (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/mark/13/#v41013032" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Mark 13:32</a>)  For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/1-timothy/2/#v54002005" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 Timothy 2:5</a>)  Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life.<strong> No one comes to the Father except through me</strong>.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/john/14/#v43014006" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 14:6</a>)  No man can come to me unless <strong>the Father, who sent me, draws him,</strong>and I will resurrect him on the last day. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/john/6/#v43006044" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 6:44</a>)</p><p>It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by Jehovah.’  <strong>Everyone who has listened to the Father and has learned</strong> comes to me. <strong> </strong> Not that any man has seen the Father, except the one who is from God; this one has seen the Father.<strong> </strong> Most truly I say to you, whoever believes has everlasting life. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/john/6/#v43006045" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 6:45-47</a>)</p><p>“That <em>men</em> may know that thou, whose name alone <em>is</em> <strong>JEHOVAH</strong>, <em>art </em>the most high over all the earth.” (<a href="https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Psalms-83-18/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Psalms 83:18</a>)</p><p><br /></p><p>To request a free home Bible Study click <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/free-bible-study/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">here</a>.</p>]]>
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<p><br /></p><p>The Answer May Surprise You! The screen shots below give you some very strong evidence that is undeniable. Even when you use various languages for Jehovah, all language transliterations go back to the Hebrew Tetragrammation יהוה – as you can SEE. The ‘truth’ is so simple isn’t it? Will they repent to keep on living or will their pride bring them down to <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/lake-of-fire/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the valley of hinnom</a> of everlasting destruction?</p><div>
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