Since Moses was called elohim, does that make him God?
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If I didn't know what will happen to me after the death of my mortal living flesh, all what you heard from me would be of no value to me in the least. In fact, it was the first crucial question that I, when I was much younger, had to know its logical answer.
To me in the least, my birth in the time-space realm happened without my will. In other words, I exist in a realm defined by time and space because of a certain Will beyond mine. Naturally, before this existence I had no will as the one I have now.
Based on logic, I will lose my actual 'will' and perception of the time-space realm after the death of my flesh.
Will my loss of my flesh's 'will', and perception... happen in my life just once... at death?
Of course not, this happens to me every time I am in a deep sleep.
But, under certain conditions, my living flesh is preprogrammed, also beyond my will, to return me from the temporary death (sleep) back to the time-space realm. In other words, every wake up is much like a new birth (if I die while I sleep, I will not know I died).
So, the Will that created me let me be/live, temporarily, in the state of my flesh's death (by losing my will and all worldly perception) many times before its final death.
My deep sleep is just an échantillon (French word) of my death.
So, to know what will happen after the final death of my body, I just need to examine properly what will happen to me after a deep sleep.
Before I wake up (before the preprogrammed birth that let me back to time-space existence), I may find myself born, also without my will, in a realm which is not defined by time or space. In other words, I find myself existing in a dream which could also be seen as an échantillon of a new realm (not defined by time and space)
So, I personally know that the ‘Will’ that created me let me perceive two different realms which humans used to call ‘Life’ and ‘Dream’. And my existence in either one starts without my will. And I cannot exist in both simultaneously.
Based on logic, what happens even once can happen again. So even if my living flesh dies (be in its last deep sleep), the ‘Will’ that let me exist in these two realms, life and dream, can let me exist again, always beyond my will, in a dream-like realm. The only difference is that my given last dream will be eternal since my dead body won’t wake up to end it, as it is the case while it was alive.
This leads me to the final question: ‘How will my existence in my last dream be?’
It will be much like my existence in my temporary dreams. In them, I just see myself the way I chose to live with others. So, no matter how they were, I see them with me in the same way my heart and will were with them.
Conclusion:
I try my best to live in a way that let my last dream be as joyful as possible. So, nothing in the world can prevent me live the Unconditional Love/Care towards all others, good and evil.
The consequence is that it became impossible for me to live a nightmare.
A human only is given the freedom to oppose or not his robotic nature. But, by opposing it, such a human becomes no more of this world.
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Here are some scriptures that helped me gain 'peace of mind'.
- For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, (Ecc 9:5)
- In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.” (Genesis 3:19)
- All are going to the same place. They all come from the dust, and they all are returning to the dust. (Ecc 3:20)
The Bible’s answer
Hell (“Sheol” and “Hades” in the Bible’s original languages) is simply the grave, not a place of fiery torment. Who go to hell? Both good people and bad people. (Job 14:13; Psalm 9:17) The Bible says that this common grave of mankind is “the house of meeting for everyone living.”—Job 30:23.
Even Jesus went to hell when he died. However, “he was not kept in hell,” because God resurrected him.—Acts 2:31, 32, The Bible in Basic English.
Is hell eternal?
All those who go to hell will come back out, brought to life by Jesus through God’s power. (John 5:28, 29; Acts 24:15) Speaking of that future resurrection, the prophecy at Revelation 20:13 says that “death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them.” (King James Version) Once hell has been emptied, it will no longer exist; no one will ever go there again because “death will be no more.”—Revelation 21:3, 4; 20:14.
Hope these Bible truths help you as much as they helped me.~ JW.org
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It happens that I never feared death. And, as the best moment, after a hard day, is when I am in bed to sleep, my best moment in my life is when I am going to die and sleep for good.
In case the 'Will' that created me will let me exist again in an eternal dream-like realm (God's Kingdom), I did the necessary preparation on earth to make it joyful.
A human only is given the freedom to oppose or not his robotic nature. But, by opposing it, such a human becomes no more of this world.
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@KerimF In case the 'Will' that created me will let me exist again in an eternal dream-like realm (God's Kingdom), I did the necessary preparation on earth to make it joyful.
@Brother Rando - That's an interesting thought. However Jesus never talked about the "Will" being His Father.
- "This is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose none out of all those whom he has given me, but that I should resurrect them on the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who recognizes the Son and exercises faith in him should have everlasting life, and I will resurrect him on the last day.” (John 6:39-40)
- It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by Jehovah.’ Everyone who has listened to the Father and has learned comes to Me." (John 6:45)
I've learned that trinitarians, modalists, incarnations do not believe in the Resurrection, Therefore they deny the one whom God sent. Their false theology is as follows:
- Jesus is God
- Jesus has No Father since Jesus is God
- The death of Jesus was a ruse because he is God.
- They deny that God resurrected Jesus because they falsely claim Jesus is God.
So you can see they teach doctrines that have been made by man. Jesus stated, "It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by Jehovah.’ Everyone who has listened to the Father and has learned comes to Me.'" (John 6:45)
The Last Day is soon upon us. Most Religions reject this and hope it never comes. It's against such atrocities that I hope to help the eyes of the unbelievers. Image welcoming back dead loved ones. Not only people will love one another but the animals too will be at peace.
So a question should come to mind. If a Resurrection is coming, then where will all those people come from?
Here's a hint: Resurrection
The Greek word a·naʹsta·sis literally means “raising up; standing up.” It is used frequently in the Christian Greek Scriptures with reference to the resurrection of the dead. The Hebrew Scriptures at Hosea 13:14, quoted by the apostle Paul (1Co 15:54, 55), speak of the abolition of death and the rendering powerless of Sheol (Heb., sheʼohlʹ; Gr., haiʹdes). Sheʼohlʹ is rendered in various versions as “grave” and “pit.” The dead are spoken of as going there. (Ge 37:35; 1Ki 2:6; Ec 9:10) Its usage in the Scriptures, along with the usage of its Greek equivalent haiʹdes in the Christian Greek Scriptures, shows that it refers, not to an individual grave, but to the common grave of mankind, gravedom. (Eze 32:21-32; Re 20:13; see HADES; SHEOL.) To render Sheol powerless would mean to loosen its hold on those in it, which would imply the emptying of gravedom. This, of course, would require a resurrection, a raising up from the lifeless condition of death or out of the grave for those there.
“And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.” (Rev 20:13)
Hell
A word used in the King James Version (as well as in the Catholic Douay Version and most older translations) to translate the Hebrew sheʼohlʹ and the Greek haiʹdes. In the King James Version the word “hell” is rendered from sheʼohlʹ 31 times and from haiʹdes 10 times. This version is not consistent, however, since sheʼohlʹ is also translated 31 times “grave” and 3 times “pit.” In the Douay Version sheʼohlʹ is rendered “hell” 64 times, “pit” once, and “death” once.
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In the past, the miracles of Jesus, mainly the most important one which was the Resurrection of His Body, were very important for the Apostles and His First Disciples whose mission was to preach His sayings though they oppose the interests of the powerful rich ruling families. They fulfilled their mission till their last breath while the world was persecuting them.
Now, things are different. Without witnessing any miracle, I personally knew that Jesus is a Divine Being (not just a man). Even after 2000 years (in these days), the crucial truths, He revealed (and are mentioned on the today's Gospel), cannot be repeated by someone, via satellites and as clear as Jesus did, without risking very bad consequences, he and everyone who helped him to do it.
Here is an example:
"Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist:"
Jesus is very clear here that there is no Jewish Prophet who was greater than John the Baptist. We all know that the importance of a man is in what he does/ accomplishes.
What was the mission of John the Baptist? It was to prepare the Jewish people for the arrival of Jesus among them. This means that the greatest mission of all previous Prophets was also to prepare the chosen Jewish people for the arrival of Jesus among them.
Then, Jesus arrived among Jews and the mission of all Jewish Prophets was fulfilled. And the real Judaism, whose teachings are related solely to the human's preprogrammed instincts, became a thing of the past after the arrival of Jesus whose message focuses solely on God's Love in Heaven and how to be lived on earth.
But as Pagans still exist in various forms (Islam is one of them), Jews and the like can also exist to the end of time. And the today's Jews, as their primitive ancestors did, have to keep waiting for the Great Worldly King who, with them, will reign the mortal planet, Earth.
Atheists, Pagans and Jews (and the like) around the world are all fortunate. The world gives them the legitimate right to commit any crime under the pretext of self-defense, mainly if they serve the interests of the most powerful richest political group. The latter master group is also fortunate because rare people on earth (real Christians) who refuse to commit any crime in exchange for all treasures in the world, even their life.
But nothing can stop a politician who is actually an atheist, a Pagan, a Jew or a Muslim to claim being a Christian as it is the case in the so-called Christian nations. The reason, for which a Christian politician is a deceiver for sure, is that he knew in advance that, in his job, he has no right to love enemies, refuse to resist evil and be a free sincere person, as a real Christian is.
A human only is given the freedom to oppose or not his robotic nature. But, by opposing it, such a human becomes no more of this world.
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@KerimF In the past, the miracles of Jesus, mainly the most important one which was the Resurrection of His Body, were very important for the Apostles and His First Disciples whose mission was to preach His sayings though they oppose the interests of the powerful rich ruling families. They fulfilled their mission till their last breath while the world was persecuting them.
It's obvious you have no relationship with Jesus at all.... His Body was not Resurrected at all. Second you claimed Jesus was God (incarnated) - if true Resurrecting Jesus from the DEAD would not be necessary. You're full of religious wormwood.
- But they found the stone rolled away from the tomb, and when they entered, they did not find the Body of the Lord Jesus. (Luke 24:2-3)
- After saying this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not realize that it was Jesus. 15 Jesus said to her: “Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you looking for?” She, thinking it was the gardener, said to him: “Sir, if you have carried him off, tell me where you have laid him, and I will take him away.” 16 Jesus said to her: “Mary!” On turning around, she said to him in Hebrew: “Rab·boʹni!” (which means “Teacher!”) 17 Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father and to My God and your God.’” (John 20:14-17)
The man standing there was Jesus Christ, yet Mary Magdalene thought he was the gardener. She went there to dress and tend to his wounds on his Body but his Body was not there. And further more - he had no wounds to dress. Jesus told her to go to My Brothers. Does God have Brothers???
If Jesus is God, notice after His Resurrection, he told Mary ‘I am ascending to My Father and Your Father and to My God and Your God.’” (John 20:14-17)
Obviously, you don't even believe in Jesus Words.
- As they continued eating, Jesus took a loaf, and after saying a blessing, he broke it, and giving it to the disciples, he said: “Take, eat. This means my body.” (Mathew 26:26)
- For Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit. (1 Peter 3:18)
- For the love the Christ has compels us, because this is what we have concluded, that one man died for all; so, then, all had died. (2 Corinthians 5:14)
- By this “will” we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all time. (Hebrews 10:10)
- For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, (1 Timothy 2:5)
Maybe you should open up a Bible once in awhile, instead of learning man-made doctrines that get you to deny that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God. (Matthew 16:16) Trinitarians, Modalists, and Incarnationists all reject this scripture because it does not align with their doctrines. What is a Stepping Stone to me has become a Stumbling Block to you.
Luke 6:46
“Why, then, do you call me ‘Lord! Lord!’ but do not do the things I say?
Matthew 7:21
“Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will.
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Sorry, you keep telling me that I follow a doctrine.
I challenge you :) to find for me just one person in the world who agrees with me on half of what I tell you here.
As you know, a real doctrine has many believers, if not millions. And a doctrine can never be seen just in one man, as I, Kerim.
On the other hand, it seems you follow a formal doctrine, known as of JW, because millions in the world agree with you on what you keep telling me.
After all, a rational realistic man, as I, cannot, even if he wants to, to follow blindly a faith, belief or doctrine, said religious or political.
In brief, I am free and independent for having The Knowledge (the Light), thanks to Jesus. And your life is comfortable for knowing how to please some Honorable Masters.
A human only is given the freedom to oppose or not his robotic nature. But, by opposing it, such a human becomes no more of this world.
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@KerimF After all, a rational realistic man, as I, cannot, even if he wants to, to follow blindly a faith, belief or doctrine, said religious or political.
@Brother Rando And yet that is the doctrine you blindly follow.
These Pagan Doctrines are followed blindly by over 3 Billion People.
- trinitarians
- modalists
- incarnationists
All 3 have a common thread, the one you are trying to falsely introduce into scripture. Here's what the change of scripture you teach and blindly follow.
When God reached the age of twelve years, God got lost. God's Parents were concerned for God's whereabouts and became frightened and scared. Therefore, God's Parents went back to Jerusalem to look for God. Looking and searching to and fro and finally thinking maybe God is at the temple. Ahhhhh... God's Parent found God but God's Mother was upset and said God, why have you done this to us? And God said, didn't you know I would be in God's House?
Matthew 7:21
“Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will.
Jesus Christ stated, if they don't listen to you, they won't listen to me.
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If you were in difficulty, you would no doubt expect a good friend to do something to help you. With that in mind, some say that God is not a friend because they feel God is not doing anything in their behalf. In reality, not only has God already done many things for our benefit but he will also take action to deal with all the problems and suffering we face today. What will God do?
Jehovah God will soon take action through his Son, Jesus Christ, to “bring to nothing the one having the means to cause death, that is, the Devil.” (Hebrews 2:14; 1 John 3:8) In fact, the Bible shows that the Devil himself knows that “he has a short period of time” before his destruction. (Revelation 12:12) God will also do away with all who cause wickedness.—Psalm 37:9; Proverbs 2:22.
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@Brother Rando And yet that is the doctrine you blindly follow.
Yes, I used to hear this doctrine a lot because it is the doctrine which is approved and supported by the Owners of the today's most powerful nation who claim being Christian.
So, it seems you couldn't understand anything I wrote you about me. Please don't worry, it happens in best families
If someone will ask you:
How does Kerim describe the image of his God?
Does Kerim say that 'Sin' is a parent of a 'Son of Sin', so the Heavenly Father has to be a parent of Jesus, 'Son of God'?
Does Kerim say that Jesus came to save him from his ignorance or sins?
A human only is given the freedom to oppose or not his robotic nature. But, by opposing it, such a human becomes no more of this world.
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I wish no ill will or harm. Rather I want peace for you and your family. However you seem that the doctrine you discovered outside the scriptures are scriptural - they are not.
Billions adhere to your doctrine that Jesus is God. That phrase is completely absent. That very doctrine is preached throughout the earth leading people away from Jesus who is the Christ, the Son of the living God. (Matthew 16:16)
You will not find the teaching in NONE of their doctrines.
- trinitarians
- modalists
- incarnationists
Even though you deny this, it's because you have a lack of understanding that is leading you to death, but they all falsely teach Jesus is God. When I shared a scripture of salvation with you, You out rightly rejected it, following the Billions before you. Your Personal doctrine is not new, it's the road that is broad and spacious. Rejecting Christ does not lead to salvation. Religion will soon be destroyed.
“Go in through the narrow gate, because broad is the gate and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are going in through it;" (Matthew 7:13)
So let's break down the Scripture you have rejected and continue to reject.
For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved. (Roams 10:9)
- if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord
You never publicly declare Jesus is Lord...
- exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead
You never excised faith in your heart that God raised Jesus up from the dead
Your Personal Doctrine is the same as the others who publicly reject Jesus as the Christ, the Son of the living God.
- trinitarians
- modalists
- incarnationists
All of these are cut from the same cloth. Non-Christian.
@KerimF Yes, I used to hear this doctrine a lot because it is the doctrine which is approved and supported by the Owners of the today's most powerful nation who claim being Christian.
It's called Christendom which is False Christianity, they worship the Goddess of Fertility (Eastre) and Saturnalia (Christmas). Also this scripture describes the Billions who share your Personal Doctrine.
- For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those not acknowledging Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the Deceiver and the Antichrist. (2 John 1:7)
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@Brother Rando However you seem that the doctrine you discovered outside the scriptures are scriptural - they are not.
@KerimF You are totally right. What I know is not scriptural. I have no sacred words (books or else), but ideas, scientific and spiritual, which are useful to me in the least. They are not necessarily useful to anyone else (including you).
@Brother Rando Billions adhere to your doctrine that Jesus is God.
@KerimF What I know is that Jesus only (no one else... Prophets, Apostles, Disciples, Saints... any man) was able to give me the logical answers to all my crucial questions about life (my existence and how the material world is designed). This is enough for me to be sure that Jesus has all knowledge of the Will/Power that created me (besides the huge universe). Does this make Jesus alone be God? It does if, only if, his message was about selfishness. In this case, he alone would be 'The Selfish God' (not mine anyway).
But His message was about Love, so there must be Two Beings of the same nature, in the least, in order for a mutual real Love to exist. In other words, Jesus alone is not God. Also, the other Being alone is not God. Their Unified Will is God. And two beings only cannot have ‘one will’. But Jesus and the other Being were able to be unified and have one Will/Power because of the existence of what we may call ‘The Divine Spirit of Love’ (somehow equivalent to the ‘spirit of friendship’ on earth).
In brief, Jesus alone or the Father alone cannot be God, unless one believes that his God’s image is about selfishness.
Actually, Jesus and the Father, Each represents fully the One God’s Will of Love (thanks the Holy Spirit). And it is normal to see Jesus as being the Son of (coming from) the Living God (the Living Unified Will).
For instance, it is very hard for a kid to get that Ford’s cars are not made just by one man called ‘Ford’. He has to wait till he will be adult to know that Ford’s cars are the fruit of the One Will of all members in Ford’s company.
Similarly, in these days, if one insists to be like the kids of humanity who lived before the arrival of Jesus, he has no choice but to see his Creator as a One-Of-His-Kind Being and the word 'Love' as a synonym of 'Obedience and Praise'.
I am afraid that only the spirit of Love in one’s soul, on earth as it is in Heaven, is eternal, anything else in his life will return back to its raw state... you call it death.
Please remember when you reply that “What I know is not scriptural”. Similarly, my scientific knowledge is about ideas not words (though sometimes I had to add new words/acronyms to refer to my innovative solutions).
In any case, I hope you are on the right path/way to eternity with Jehovah.
A human only is given the freedom to oppose or not his robotic nature. But, by opposing it, such a human becomes no more of this world.
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@KerimF But His message was about Love, so there must be Two Beings of the same nature, in the least, in order for a mutual real Love to exist. In other words, Jesus alone is not God. Also, the other Being alone is not God. Their Unified Will is God. And two beings only cannot have ‘one will’. But Jesus and the other Being were able to be unified and have one Will/Power because of the existence of what we may call ‘The Divine Spirit of Love’ (somehow equivalent to the ‘spirit of friendship’ on earth).
@Brother Rando - The Scriptures are clear about who the True God is:
1 Kings 18:39
When all the people saw it, they immediately fell facedown and said: “Jehovah is the true God! Jehovah is the true God!”
1 Kings 8:60
so that all the peoples of the earth may know that Jehovah is the true God. There is no other!
Joshua 22:34
So the Reuʹben·ites and the Gadʹites named the altar, because “it is a witness between us that Jehovah is the true God.”
Deuteronomy 4:39
Know, therefore, on this day, and take it to heart that Jehovah is the true God in the heavens above and on the earth beneath. There is no other.
Deuteronomy 4:35
You yourselves have been shown these things so you will know that Jehovah is the true God; there is no other besides him.
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All the Best.
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Sorry, I, unlike you, cannot see God as Allah... no matter what his name is.
I see my God in spirit and spirits, unlike humans, have no names. But this doesn't prevent humans to give names to spirits in God's Realm.
But it is good that you and Jehovah are friends.
I just trust to no limit the Loving Will/Power that created me in whoever and whatever around me in the material world. This is not easy at all to do it. So, I am glad that my flesh is mortal while I wish it will die before I fail and return back to its robotic nature (be of the world like all other living things are).
A human only is given the freedom to oppose or not his robotic nature. But, by opposing it, such a human becomes no more of this world.
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@KerimF Sorry, I, unlike you, cannot see God as Allah... no matter what his name is.
I see my God in spirit and spirits, unlike humans, have no names. But this doesn't prevent humans to give names to spirits in God's Realm.
@Brother Rando - Thank you for your response. I believe everyone should know God as God because there is no other. To know God exists from a distance does not beget salvation. Their death is like the death of animals.
- for there is an outcome for humans and an outcome for animals; they all have the same outcome. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit. So man has no superiority over animals, for everything is futile. Ecclesiastes 3:19
It doesn't have to end this way for you. There was a time when Jehovah did not allow humans to know his Name. "And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God Almighty, but with regard to my name Jehovah I did not make myself known to them. (Exodus 6:3)
However, there came a time when Jehovah wanted humans to know His Name and to hallow His Name. He want His Name to be Sanctified and treated with Respect. Matter of fact, anyone saying His Name in Vain or disrespecting His Name or hold His Name as little worth or not worthy at all would not be allowed to keep on living. Your definitely in this latter category along with those who disrespect him and profane His Holy and Sacred Name.
- Jesus will do His Father's (Will) and there is not going to be any bargaining.
Ezekiel 39:7
I will make my holy name known among my people Israel, and I will not allow My Holy Name to be profaned any longer; and the nations will have to know that I am Jehovah, the Holy One in Israel.’
John 17:26
I have made your name known to them and will make it known, so that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them.”
Ezekiel 20:9
But I acted for the sake of My Name so that it would not be profaned before the nations among whom they were living. For I made myself known to them before these nations when I brought them out of the land of Egypt.
Jeremiah 16:21
“So I will make them know, At this time I will make them know my power and my might, And they will have to know that my name is Jehovah.”
Either way, You will know God's Holy Name JEHOVAH. Either way, in everlasting life or everlasting death.
Deuteronomy 30:19
I take the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you today that I have put life and death before you, the blessing and the curse; and you must choose life so that you may live, you and your descendants,
Jeremiah 21:8
“And to this people you should say, ‘This is what Jehovah says: “Here I am putting before you the way of life and the way of death.
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@Brother Rando - However, there came a time when Jehovah wanted humans to know His Name and to hallow His Name. He want His Name to be Sanctified and treated with Respect. Matter of fact, anyone saying His Name in Vain or disrespecting His Name or hold His Name as little worth or not worthy at all would not be allowed to keep on living. Your definitely in this latter category along with those who disrespect him and profane His Holy and Sacred Name.
@KerimF I am afraid that, in reality, this also applies to Pagans, Jews, Muslims and formal Christians towards their God's names respectively, instead of Jehovah.
So, for Muslims, the name is ‘Allah’. For the formal Christians, the name is ‘Jesus’. For JWs, the name is ‘Jehovah’. I am not sure about the right name to be used by Jews and by each today’s known Pagans.
Sorry, this sounds to me as magic. “Praise the name of your God, you will be saved”. But the most important thing, for this magic to work, is to know/use the right name.
On the Gospel, Jesus didn’t bring magic, but the knowledge on how to be saved by accepting the Holy Spirit in one’s soul to show him how to live the unconditional Love/Care towards all others, good and evil, on earth as in Heaven. This is why Jesus added very clearly:
“Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.”
For instance, an animal is not supposed to accept the Holy Spirit of Love in it. It is supposed to execute its preprogrammed instincts only. But a human is given also the freedom to act like animals do, by not opposing his preprogrammed instincts in all situations he may face in his life. And one of his instincts, preprogrammed by his Creator, is to gather with many other humans to praise the name of an earthly king/leader and/or of a God.
A human only is given the freedom to oppose or not his robotic nature. But, by opposing it, such a human becomes no more of this world.
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@KerimF “Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.”
@Brother Rando It is by Holy Spirit that we gain the understanding of Jehovah's (Will). For instance, the Bible states:
- May Jehovah, the God of Israel, be praised Throughout all eternity. And let all the people say, “Amen!” Praise Jah! (Psalm 146:8)
Revelation 19:1
After this I heard what seemed to be a loud voice of a great crowd in heaven. They said: “Praise Jah! The salvation and the glory and the power belong to our God,
Revelation 19:2
because his judgments are true and righteous. For he has executed judgment on the great prostitute who corrupted the earth with her sexual immorality, and he has avenged the blood of his slaves that is on her hands.”
Revelation 19:3
And right away for the second time they said: “Praise Jah! And the smoke from her goes on ascending forever and ever.”
Revelation 19:4
And the 24 elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshipped God who sits on the throne and said: “Amen! Praise Jah!”
The following scriptures were written for our instruction to follow by Holy Spirit. To reject them would could vert well make that individual to sin and speak against Holly Spirit.
- whosoever speaketh against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
- Revelation 19:1
- Revelation 19:3
- Revelation 19:4
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It is good that you see the Truth in the Holy Scriptures of Revelation.
Muslims see the Truth in the Holy Scriptures of Quran.
Catholic believers see the Truth in the Holy Scriptures of St Paul.
etc.
Sorry, I simply found my Truth in living the Unconditional Love/Care towards all others, good and evil.
A human only is given the freedom to oppose or not his robotic nature. But, by opposing it, such a human becomes no more of this world.
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Thank you for your response. To sum up the two scriptures that set up Christianity is what Jesus taught.
- God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth. (John 4:24)
- Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him. (John 4:23)
Any doctrine set outside this teaching of Christ is mute and part of Christendom which is False Christianity
- .Everyone who pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God. The one who does remain in this teaching is the one who has both the Father and the Son. (2 John 1:19)
“Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you.”—Matthew 5:43, 44.
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For instance, I am not Christian. I am just an independent 'student' ('disciple', in English) of Jesus.
{Genesis 1:26} And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.
{Genesis 1:27} So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him;
What does it mean that man is created to be an image of God? It means that God is also an image of the created man.
For example, a Jew praises, obeys and submits to God, it means that his God also praises, obeys and submits to a higher God. If this is not true, then the image of his God is actually not like the image of the created man, that is the image of man is also not like of his Creator... as the Holy verses above say!
Now, you know why I don’t take seriously what was said, on the Bible, to our ancient primitive ancestors. In their time, at best, they can see God as One Supernatural Powerful Hebrew King (much like Muslims see their Arabic Allah), nothing more.
A human only is given the freedom to oppose or not his robotic nature. But, by opposing it, such a human becomes no more of this world.
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I know you're not a Christian. You adhere to Anti-Christian dogma.
@KerimF {Genesis 1:26} And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.
{Genesis 1:27} So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him;
What does it mean that man is created to be an image of God? It means that God is also an image of the created man.
Man is not the only one made in God's image. Take a look at the Scripture about Jesus Christ: "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;" (Colossians 1:15)
- Anti-Christian religions falsely teach 'Jesus is God' therefore, can we conclude that God is 'the Firstborn of All Creation'?
- Most Anti-Christians teach this, but then I shock them asking 'How is God Firstborn of All Creation' when he is supposed to be Eternal? They stumble and moan when they admit that their God with No Name is Man-made,
Any representation or likeness of a person or thing.—Mt 22:20.
Whereas references to images in the Bible frequently relate to idolatry, this is not always the case. God, in creating man, said first, “Let us make man in our image [or, shadow, semblance], according to our likeness.” (Ge 1:26, 27, ftn) Since God’s Son stated that his Father is “a Spirit,” this rules out any physical likeness between God and man. (Joh 4:24) Rather, man has qualities reflecting, or mirroring, those of his heavenly Maker, qualities that positively distinguish man from the animal creation.
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@Brother Rando Rather, man has qualities reflecting, or mirroring, those of his heavenly Maker, qualities that positively distinguish man from the animal creation.
I wonder what those qualities are. Let me revise how the real humans are:
I see almost all humans defending their life against other humans, exactly as animals do.
I see almost all humans having a dream to be proud of their superiority over other humans, in one way or another, exactly as some animals do.
I see almost all humans having no trust of each other, so they try to be selfish in whatever they do, exactly as animals do.
I see many humans creating their own rules/justice and imposed them on others in the name of 'a God' or 'The People' ('The Ruling People' of the clever modern notion, Democracy, which has replaced the Ruling God). Well, animals cannot do this well, as humans do. For example, a group of wolves has just a master leader, but without written rules.
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But, living the Unconditional Love/Care towards all others, good and evil, one cannot find even One Animal in the world which is able to do it.
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Therefore, if Jesus, Son of the One Will/Power that created humans (surely not the way which is described in the tale that was addressed to the kids of humanity, titled ‘Adam and Eve’) didn't incarnate among humans, it would be very hard for humans to know the exact image of their Creator. In other words, without Jesus, humans would keep seeing their Creator as Pagans, Jews, and Muslims, besides formal Christians, to name a few, are supposed to do. The image of their Creator reflects, though in a much higher scale, the image of the best living master among the created beings, nothing more.
A human only is given the freedom to oppose or not his robotic nature. But, by opposing it, such a human becomes no more of this world.
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@KerimF I see almost all humans defending their life against other humans, exactly as animals do.
@Brother Rando I see that also. Dying is unnatural. Humans had everlasting life in view. There was only one commandment not to partake of a fruit from a certain tree in the middle of the Garden and Eve.
Rather than obeying and submitting to Jehovah's (Will) they decided not listen to him. The same test Adam and Eve failed back then, the majority of mankind today are failing. (Even when given the Answer)
- For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who recognizes the Son and exercises faith in him should have everlasting life, and I will resurrect him on the last day. (John 6:40)
Any other teaching outside the Father's (Will) is blasphemy against he Holy Spirit.
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@Brother Rando I see that also. Dying is unnatural.
I am not surprised seeing adults who, even in 21st century, still believe, like the ancient kids of humanity did, that the Heavenly tale of Adam & Eve is real, not just a symbolic one that introduced the idea of Creation, besides other information related to the material world.
Should we blame a little kid who trusts his loving parents and believes their tale about how it was possible for him to exist and live with them under the same roof? Of course not, he, by himself, will know the real answer when he will be an adult. And he will surely not call his parents ignorant or liars, because he will find himself doing the same with his little kids if necessary.
While you see dying is unnatural, I see it very natural. The Supernatural Will that forced me to exist in this created material world also assured me that my existence in it is just temporary. So, I have no reason to complain of being forced to exist in this world. I was given the means to leave it anytime I like, or I just let the death of my living body happen as it is designed. But I, unlike all animals, was also given the freedom and knowledge (from Jesus) on how I can defeat my animal robotic nature and become no more of this material world. By doing so, my soul becomes a real image of the ‘Loving Will’ and joins, therefore, God’s Kingdom of Love even while my mortal body is alive.
Sorry dear Rando, from what I hear from you, it would be unnatural if you can understand/perceive anything I say. So please be happy the way you are and consider whatever you hear from me as mere sci-fi.
A human only is given the freedom to oppose or not his robotic nature. But, by opposing it, such a human becomes no more of this world.
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@KerimF While you see dying is unnatural, I see it very natural. The Supernatural Will that forced me to exist in this created material world also assured me that my existence in it is just temporary. So, I have no reason to complain of being forced to exist in this world. I was given the means to leave it anytime I like, or I just let the death of my living body happen as it is designed. But I, unlike all animals, was also given the freedom and knowledge (from Jesus) on how I can defeat my animal robotic nature and become no more of this material world. By doing so, my soul becomes a real image of the ‘Loving Will’ and joins, therefore, God’s Kingdom of Love even while my mortal body is alive.
Thank you for your opinions.
2 Peter 3:13
But there are new heavens and a new earth that we are awaiting according to his promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell.
Revelation 21:1
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more.
Isaiah 65:17
For look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth; And the former things will not be called to mind, Nor will they come up into the heart.
There will come a time when All will become One with the Father.
I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one. (John 17:22)
In fact, when you pray the Lord’s Prayer, or the Our Father, asking for God’s Kingdom to come, you are praying for his heavenly government to rid the earth of wickedness and to rule over this new world. (Matthew 6:9, 10) And we can be confident that God will answer that prayer, since his Word promises: “The righteous themselves will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it.”—Psalm 37:29.
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@Brother Rando There will come a time when All will become One with the Father.
These are words that each of them could be understood differently by different persons.
‘A time’? Will the notion of ‘time’ still exist after death?
‘All’? Who are them?
'Become One'? In which way this can happen other than having One Will?
Well, Jesus (incarnated) and the Father (not incarnated) have One Will/Power for being unified by the Divine Spirit of Love, the Holy Spirit, since before Creation. Naturally, if it is hard for a human to see this eternal One Will, the fruit of the unifying Love (existed already before Creation), he can live, hope and dream the way he likes while he doesn't need to know anything about the Divine Spirit of Love, as all other living things do.
In other words, it is all about the unifying Spirit of Love on earth as in Heaven. So, animals and the humans, who had to live as robots by following solely their preprogrammed instructions (instincts), cannot live the True Unlimited Love towards all other beings since it opposes most of their crucial instincts.
So, if I understood well about how you see Jesus, Jesus, to you, was (still is) not One with The Father yet. But Jesus with many humans will have to wait “the time, when ‘All’ become ‘One’ with the Father”. Meanwhile, Jesus and the Father have two separate ‘Wills’, ‘Powers’ and ‘Knowledge’, because the Father has no idea yet about the Unifying Spirit of Love.
A human only is given the freedom to oppose or not his robotic nature. But, by opposing it, such a human becomes no more of this world.
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@Brother Rando There will come a time when All will become One with the Father.
@KerimF These are words that each of them could be understood differently by different persons.
‘A time’?
@Brother Rando Absolutely. Each religion and each person vary. However, when a person learns to do the Father's (Will) then the understanding comes. The 'time' comes as the Last Days we are living come to their conclusion. This time period is a Conclusion of 'the time of trouble' or 'the end of the time of distress' we live in today. As Jesus stated, only those doing the Father's (Will) can be rewarded.
Jehovah's Witnesses all over the World share the message of Jehovah's Kingdom and what it will do for mankind. Our audience is explained below of whom we try to education.
- But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, betrayers, headstrong, puffed up with pride, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, having an appearance of godliness but proving false to its power; and from these turn away. (2 Timothy 3:1-5)
Jehovah's Witnesses will not always be preaching to non-believers and all those in the scriptures above. There will occur a time when we will "and from these turn away". That means No New Bible Studies will be started for the Preaching Work that Jesus started two thousand years ago have come to their End.
- And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. (Matthew 24:14)
@KerimF Will the notion of ‘time’ still exist after death?
@Brother Rando Yes. Time continues on. But death will no longer exist as it does today. Time without end. People will live as long as Jehovah lives.
- With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them. And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.” (Rev 21:3-4)
@KerimF ‘All’? Who are them?
@Brother Rando - All the faithful ones who do the Fathers (Will) - the obedient. Those who forsake their own (will) to do the Father's (Will) like Jesus Christ does.
- I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, not my own will, but the Will of HIM who Sent me. (John 5:30)
- For this is the (Will of my Father), that everyone who recognizes the Son and exercises faith in him should have everlasting life, and I will resurrect him on the last day. (John 6:40)
@KerimF 'Become One'? In which way this can happen other than having One Will?
@Brother Rando All those whom do the Father's (Will) will become One with the Father and have One Will.
- I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word, so that they may All be One, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, so that the world may believe that you sent me. I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be One just as we are One. (John 17:20-22)
John 17:23
be perfected into One: Or “be completely unified.” In this verse, Jesus connects perfect unity with being loved by the Father. This is in harmony with Col 3:14, which says: “Love . . . is a perfect bond of union.” This perfect unity is relative. It does not mean that all differences of personality, such as individual abilities, habits, and conscience, are eliminated. It does mean that Jesus’ followers are unified in action, belief, and teaching.—Ro 15:5, 6; 1Co 1:10; Eph 4:3; Php 1:27.
- By this all will know that you are my disciples—if you have love among yourselves. (John 13:35)
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@Brother Rando All the faithful ones who do the Fathers (Will) - the obedient. Those who forsake their own (will) to do the Father's (Will) like Jesus Christ does.
Sorry, Father’s ‘Will’?
I am afraid that Pagans, Jews, JWs, Muslims, formal Christians will be criminal traitors (against their groups) if they follow the 'Father's Will’ {Matthew 5:44-45}, by loving their enemies, period.
A human only is given the freedom to oppose or not his robotic nature. But, by opposing it, such a human becomes no more of this world.
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@Brother Rando All the faithful ones who do the Fathers (Will) - the obedient. Those who forsake their own (will) to do the Father's (Will) like Jesus Christ does.
@KerimF Sorry, Father’s ‘Will’?
@Brother Rando Yes, "Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for according to his great mercy he gave us a new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, (1 Peter 1:3)
- May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth. (Psalm 83:18)
- You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am. (John 10:28)
This is the basis of our faith. As you can see there is no doctrine nor creeds. Our authority is the Bible.
- For this is the (Will of my Father), that everyone who recognizes the Son and exercises faith in him should have everlasting life, and I will resurrect him on the last day. (John 6:40)
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Don't you see? You, as I, need to skip certain verses, no matter how clear they are, that don't suit your interests. like of {Matthew 5:44-45}.
For instance, as you may have noticed already, I skip all verses that were addressed to the kids of humanity who were not able to see beyond their material world. For example, they had no choice but to see their God as a worldly ruling King, though a supernatural One (like the today's Allah of Islam).
A human only is given the freedom to oppose or not his robotic nature. But, by opposing it, such a human becomes no more of this world.
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@Brother Rando Yes, I did. That's why I did not respond to what was skipped. I just responded to the Ones you could not SEE.
- And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. (Matthew 24:14)
- The End of Wickedness is now at hand!
- One would think that all of mankind would welcome such a wonderful environment but the majority of earth’s inhabitants will actually reject and fight against this revelation tooth and nail, for mankind’s inhabitants as a whole have become wicked and godless.
