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        <title>In 3 days I will raise it up.</title>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2026 01:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>2,000 years ago, Jesus was a Carpenter, helping his family eke out a living. His <a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1954447#:~:text=It%20is%20significant,own%20private%20expectations." rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>First Presence</strong></a> was foretold by the Prophet Daniel and the ‘allotted timing’ of that Prophecy was rapidly coming to its conclusion of which, the fulfillment of the <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/bible-teach/daniels-prophecy-70-weeks-messiah/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">70th week</a> would begin in the fall of 29 CE, the Messiah would <strong>suddenly</strong> come to inspect the temple. In just a few years, he would approach his senior cousin of six months for baptism to commence his earthy ministry.</p><p>“Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me; <strong>and the Lord whom ye seek will suddenly come to his temple, </strong>and the Angel of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he cometh,<strong> </strong>saith Jehovah of hosts.” (<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Malachi%203%3A1-2&amp;version=DARBY" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Malachi 3:1</a>)</p><p>On finding the temple lacking, Jesus Christ prophesied the temple would be destroyed on more than one occasion. Jesus replied to them: “Tear down this temple, and <strong>in three days I will raise it up</strong>.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/john/2/#v43002019" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 2:19</a>) They sneered and mocked him for saying such a thing and therefore, the ridiculers were struck with blindness in understanding by their hard heartedness. For almost 2,000 years now, Jesus Christ has been raising up the temple since <strong>Pentecost 33 CE</strong>. Most cannot see, for such ones as unbelievers are not allowed understanding. Read (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/daniel/12/#v27012010" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Daniel 12:10</a> and <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/jeremiah/5/#v24005021" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Jeremiah 5:21</a>)</p><p>Also, certain ones were standing up and bearing false witness against him, saying:   “We heard him say, ‘I will throw down this temple that was made with hands, and <strong>in three days I will build another not made with hands.</strong>’ (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/mark/14/#v41014057-v41014058" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Mark 14:57-58</a>)</p><p>Jesus could have stated (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/john/2/#v43002019" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 2:19</a>) in several ways.</p><ul><li>in three days</li><li>on the third day</li><li>after two days</li></ul><p>The question of how long a day is listed in the scriptures for all to see. “However, do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that <strong>one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years</strong> and a thousand years as one day.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/2-peter/3/#v61003008" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">2 Peter 3:8</a>) 33CE + 2,000 yrs = 2033 – The allotted time will have ran its course and the opportunity for new partakers will have come to its conclusion. Since the 144,000 <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/1-peter/2/#v60002005" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">living stones</a> will have been gathered and sealed by 2033, will there be a need to pass the emblems for new partakers?</p><p>“He will revive us <strong>after two days. On the third day</strong> he will raise us up, And we will live before him.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/hosea/6/#v28006002" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Hosea 6:2</a>) We will know, we will earnestly seek to know Jehovah. His going out is as certain as the dawn; He will come to us like a pouring rain, Like a spring rain that saturates the earth. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/hosea/6/#v28006003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Hosea 6:3</a>)</p><p><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/john/2/#v43002021" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">The temple of his body</a> is <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/bible-glossary/judgment-seat/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>Jehovah’s Arrangement</strong></a> in how honest hearted ones can approach Jehovah, and therefore can be referred as <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/1-corinthians/12/#v46012027" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the Body of Christ</a>, <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/1-corinthians/3/#v46003016" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">God’s Temple</a>, <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/14/#v66014001" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the 144,000</a>, <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/galatians/6/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the Israel of God</a>, <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/1-timothy/3/#v54003005" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Congregation of God</a> of which <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/ephesians/5/#v49005023" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Jesus is the head and savior of this Body</a>, to list a few expressions.</p><p>The pattern Jehovah uses can be repeated.</p><ol><li>First a warning.</li><li>An allotted time is rendered,</li><li>Nobody allowed to know the day or hour until it is about to happen. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/amos/3/#v30003007" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Amos 3:7</a>)</li><li>Moments before it occurs God’s People are informed by the revealing of Prophecy. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/10/#v66010005-v66010010" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 10:5-10</a>)</li></ol><p>Examples are the <strong>120 years </strong>that the were allotted in Noah’s days and Jesus Christ told his disciples, “For just as the days of Noah were,<strong> so the Presence of the Son of man will be.</strong> For as they were in those days before the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and <strong>they took no note until</strong> the Flood came and swept them all away,<strong> so the Presence of the Son of man will be</strong>.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024037-v40024039" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:37-39</a>)</p><p><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/last-days-sign-end-times-prophecies/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Prophecy lovers</a> can also add <strong>120 years</strong> to the time when the Gentile times ended in October of 1914. “On the testimony of two witnesses or three witnesses the matter should be established.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/18/#v40018016" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 18:16</a>)</p><p>Since these things are undergoing spiritual fulfillment, the Bible warns us that “Jehovah’s day will come as a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar, but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be exposed.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/2-peter/3/#v61003010" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">2 Peter 3:10</a>)</p><p>“For the vision is yet for its appointed time, And it is rushing toward its end, and it will not lie. Even if it should delay, keep in expectation of it! For it will without fail come true. It will not be late!” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/habakkuk/2/#v35002003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Habakkuk 2:3</a>)</p><p><strong>You are Worth Saving!</strong> Share this <a href="https://jehovahwitnessqhub.wordpress.com/dont-give-up-you-have-a-reason-to-keep-on-living" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Blog Post</a> on your social media and <a href="https://shoutout.wix.com/so/e6NRYf06r/c?w=MtqfuSEItHt5_yX6Pv6vIHLeLtiW4izaY8R_HSSjyqk.eyJ1IjoiaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuancub3JnL2VuL2xpYnJhcnkvYmlibGUvc3R1ZHktYmlibGUvYm9va3MvcHJvdmVyYnMvMTQvI3YyMDAxNDAyNSIsInIiOiIwN2M5OTI4ZS1jOTJiLTQzOTAtOGVlZS1jNmMzMDY5ZWQ4NWQiLCJtIjoibHAifQ" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">save a life</a>.</p><p><a href="https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">National Suicide Prevention Lifeline</a> 1 (800) 273-8255</p>]]>
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        <pubDate>Sun, 09 Jun 2024 01:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>NeutralZone</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>The teaching of literal hellfire torment is commonplace in Christendom and non-Christian religions. This teaching defames the Creator and portrays him as a sadist who tortures people in literal flames of fire for all eternity—as punishment for wrongdoings committed during the relatively brief human lifespan. </p><p>Hellfire believers insist that the wicked will literally experience pain while burning in literal flames of fire—after they have died. So that brings us to the questions below.</p><p> </p><p>DISCUSSION QUESTIONS:</p><p><strong>1.</strong> Are there are scriptures in the Judeo-Christian Bible to support the teaching of literal hellfire torment? If you believe that to be the case, please quote up to three (3) scriptures and include Bible book, chapter, and verse, along with a brief explanation for why you believe the verses are talking <strong>LITERAL</strong> hellfire torment.</p><p><strong>2.</strong> According to those who believe in literal hellfire torment, only wicked people will wind up in hell. Is that what you believe?</p><p><strong>3.</strong> Does the Bible teach that humans have an immortal soul that survives the death of the person so that the soul can then be burned in eternal flames? If so, please present scriptures to that effect to prove it (no more than 3 scriptures at a time, please). Follow the steps indicated at Question #1.</p><p><strong>4.</strong>  When people are being tortured in hellfire, wouldn't they have to <strong>KNOW</strong> or <strong>be conscious/aware</strong> of the fact that they are being burned? I mean to say, what's the point of punishing people in a burning hellfire if they aren't even aware?</p><p><strong>5.</strong>    Those who believe in literal eternal torment say that the person's soul is being burned forever. What is the soul? Are animals souls also, or does the term "soul" apply only to humans?</p><p>NeutralZone</p>]]>
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        <title>Since Moses was called elohim, does that make him God?</title>
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        <pubDate>Sun, 02 Jan 2022 03:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Brother Rando</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>"And the Lord said to Moses: Behold I have appointed thee <strong><em>the God </em></strong>of Pharao: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet." (<a href="http://drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&amp;bk=2&amp;ch=7&amp;l=1-#x" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Exodus 7:1 DRB</a>)</p>]]>
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        <pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2024 19:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Brother Rando</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>Whom is the person that this scripture is speaking about?</p><p>"This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High, and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father and he will rule as King over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end to his Kingdom.” (Luke 1:32-33)</p><p>Billions of trinitarians around the world have no clue, here are some scriptural hints.</p><ul><li>“In all their affliction he was afflicted, and <strong>the Angel</strong> of his Presence saved them" (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/bi22/23/63#s=9&amp;study=discover" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Isaiah 63:9 ASV</a>)</li><li>"<strong>He was oppressed and he let himself be afflicted,</strong> But he would not open his mouth. He was brought like a sheep to the slaughter, Like a ewe that is silent before its shearers, And he would not open his mouth<strong>.</strong>" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/isaiah/53/#v23053007" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Isaiah 53:7</a>)</li><li>"And <strong>he was given a burial place with the wicked, </strong>And with the rich in his death, Although <strong>he had done no wrong And there was no deception in his mouth.</strong>" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/isaiah/53/#v23053009" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Isaiah 53:9</a>)</li><li>"I am sending an <strong>Angel </strong>ahead of you to guard you on<strong> the Way</strong> and to bring you into the place that I have prepared. Pay attention to him, and <strong>obey his voice.</strong> Do not rebel against him, for <strong>he will not pardon your transgressions</strong>, because <strong><em>My Name is in Him.</em></strong>" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/exodus/23/#v2023020-v2023021" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Exodus 23:20-21</a>)</li><li>Then a voice came out of the cloud, saying: “<strong>This is my Son, the one who has been chosen. Listen to him.</strong>” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/luke/9/#v42009035" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Luke 9:35</a>)</li><li>"So <strong>he has become better than the angels</strong> to the extent that <strong>he has inherited a name</strong> (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/hebrews/1/#v58001004" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Hebrews 1:4</a>)</li><li>In those days and at that time <strong>I will cause to sprout for David a righteous sprout</strong>, and he will execute justice and righteousness in the land. In those days Judah will be saved and Jerusalem will reside in security. And this is what<strong> SHE will be called: Jehovah Is Our Righteousness</strong>. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/jeremiah/33/#v24033015-v24033016" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Jeremiah 33:15-16</a>)</li><li>After this I saw another <strong>angel </strong>descending from heaven with <strong>great authority,</strong> and <strong>the earth was illuminated by his glory.</strong> (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/18/#v66018001" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 18:1</a>)</li></ul><p>The Jewish System of things reject to read (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/nwtsty/23/53#study=discover" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Isaiah Chapter 53</a>) in Public. WHY?</p><ul><li>The suffering, death, and burial of <strong>Jehovah’s Servant</strong> (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/nwtsty/23/53#h=1639:0-1661:0" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1-12</a>)</li></ul><ul><li>Sin of many carried by him (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/nwtsty/23/53#h=1660:0-1661:0" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">12</a>)</li><li>“Like a sheep to the slaughter” (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/nwtsty/23/53#h=1651:0-1653:0" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">7</a>)</li><li>Carries sicknesses and pains (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/nwtsty/23/53#h=1646:0-1648:0" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">4</a>)</li><li>Despised and avoided (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/nwtsty/23/53#h=1643:0-1646:0" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">3</a>)<p>Whom is the Person called Son of David? (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/21/#v40021009" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 21:19</a>)</p><p>Whom is the Person Called the Son of the Most High? (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/luke/1/#v42001032" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Luke 1:32</a>)</p><p><strong>ANSWER: </strong>So the angel said to her: “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And look! you will become pregnant and give birth to a son, and you are to name him Jesus." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/luke/1/#v42001030-v42001031" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Luke 1:30-31</a>)</p><p><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/bible-glossary/son-of-david/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>Son of David</strong></a> - A phrase often applied to Jesus, emphasizing that he is the Heir of the Kingdom covenant that was to be fulfilled by someone in David’s lineage.​—<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/12/#v40012023" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Mt 12:23; 21:9</a>.</p></li></ul>]]>
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        <title>What Could Be the Main Difference between Jews and Jehovah’s Witnesses?</title>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 28 Jan 2025 11:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>KerimF</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>What I know is that they have the same Holy Book, Torah, but I am not sure this is true or not.</p>]]>
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        <title>How can God who is Eternal be a feminine genitive as trinitarians claim?</title>
        <link>https://christiandiscourse.net/index.php?p=/discussion/1138/how-can-god-who-is-eternal-be-a-feminine-genitive-as-trinitarians-claim</link>
        <pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2024 15:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Brother Rando</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p> How can God who is Eternal be a triad of feminine genitives as trinitarians claim?  Why is the Greek word for trinity not found in scripture?  </p><p>Questions trinitarians cannot answer.  How come Jesus Christ is NEVER mentioned in the trinity doctrine? There is only one answer. <strong>The trinity is the Anti-Christ opposed to CHRIST. </strong>That's why they try to turn Jesus into a multitude of gods. There is only one thing worse than pagan and that is being Anti-Christian, an opposser of Christ, an apostate. John called them antiichrists in plural because there are many of them in the last moment in the Devil's time of his End. </p><div><div><p><a href="https://www.jw.org/open?pub=nwtsty&amp;bible=62002018&amp;wtlocale=E&amp;prefer=lang" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 John 2:18</a></p><p>Young children, it is the last hour, and just as you have heard that the <strong>antichrist</strong> is coming, even now many <strong>antichrists</strong> have appeared, from which fact we know that it is the last hour.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.jw.org/open?pub=nwtsty&amp;bible=62002022&amp;wtlocale=E&amp;prefer=lang" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 John 2:22</a></p><p>Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the <strong>antichrist</strong>, the one who denies the Father and the Son.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.jw.org/open?pub=nwtsty&amp;bible=63001007&amp;wtlocale=E&amp;prefer=lang" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">2 John 1:7</a></p><p>For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those not acknowledging Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the <strong>antichrist</strong>.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.jw.org/open?pub=nwtsty&amp;bible=62004003&amp;wtlocale=E&amp;prefer=lang" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 John 4:3</a></p><p>But every inspired statement that does not acknowledge Jesus does not originate with God. Furthermore, this is the <strong>antichrist’s</strong> inspired statement that you have heard was coming, and now it is already in the world.</p></div></div><p>BEWARE of this DEMONIC teaching by Lucifer - a feminine genitive</p><div>
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        <title>The Baptism of the Holy Spirit Question</title>
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        <pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2018 12:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Dave_L</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>How do you reconcile Paul saying every believer has the Holy Spirit with the Apostles laying hands on the Samaritan believers in Acts 8 who did not have the Holy Spirit?</p>
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        <title>How does the Hebrew Tetragrammaton יהוה read in Your Translator?</title>
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        <pubDate>Sat, 16 Dec 2023 00:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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<p><br /></p><p>The Answer May Surprise You! The screen shots below give you some very strong evidence that is undeniable. Even when you use various languages for Jehovah, all language transliterations go back to the Hebrew Tetragrammation יהוה – as you can SEE. The ‘truth’ is so simple isn’t it? Will they repent to keep on living or will their pride bring them down to <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/lake-of-fire/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the valley of hinnom</a> of everlasting destruction?</p><div>
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        <pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2023 01:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Brother Rando</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>Do you understand Matthew 24:3?<br /></p><p><br /></p><div>
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<p>If you haven't gained understanding of <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:3</a>, you are not alone. Jesus Christ response to the question of 'when' was, "Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024036" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew24:36</a>) This Greek Word <em>parousia</em> literally means 'being alongside' and alludes to <a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1001060093" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Christ's Presence</a> <em>covering a period of time </em>as to “<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/genesis/6/#v1006003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the Days of Noah</a> Before the Flood would occur.” Jesus compared this specific time period to “the Presence of the Son of man” at (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024037" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:37</a>).</p><p>The Question the four disciples put to Jesus was in two parts. One, to <em>His Presence </em>which he did not know personally. And second, to the conclusion of the system of things of which he answered, "Look out that nobody misleads you.. You are going to hear of wars and reports of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for these things must take place, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress." (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/l/r1/lp-e?q=Matthew+24%3A4-8" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:4-8</a>)</p><p>WTS quote - (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101973021?q=1876&amp;p=par#:~:text=it%20was%20called-,%E2%80%9CBible%20Examiner.%E2%80%9D,-In%20the%20year" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Bible Examiner</a>) - In the year 1876 the twenty-four-year-old Russell made a contribution on the subject to this magazine.  It was published in Volume XXI, Number 1, which was the issue of October, 1876. On pages 27, 28 of that issue Russell’s article was published under the title “Gentile Times: When Do They End?” In that article (page 27) Russell said: “The seven times will end in A.D. 1914.”- End of WTS Quote.</p><p>Brother Russell wrote: "'<strong>The Earth Abideth Foreve</strong>r' Christ will not return to Earth as a Man - Present Year Believed to Mark Great Change of Dispensation, but World May not discern Immediate Difference." <strong>The Bible Students Monthly</strong>,<strong> January, 1914.</strong></p><ul><li>"Our Lord, in describing His Second Presence, clearly indicated that it would be unnoticed by the world until the cataclysm of trouble should come. Thus He likened the earlier days of His presence to <strong><em>that period before the Flood</em></strong>, when the world, unconscious of the impending catastrophe, continued to build, eat and drink as usual, and knew not. So, says the Master, it will be in the end of this Age. Eating, drinking, building, planting and marrying will proceed as usual; and the world will not know that they are in the <strong>PRESENCE of the Son of Man.</strong>"</li><li>He continues, "The Bible nowhere tells that Jesus took the human nature to keep it forever, and to return with it to Heaven, where it would be completely out of order and out of place. The Bible teaches, on the contrary, that "flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God" (1 Cor 15:50); and that Jesus was made flesh merely 'that He, by the grace of God, should taste death for every man' (Heb 2:9) and that after doing this work He would "ascend up where He was before." (John 6:62)  <strong>The great Day of Trouble, noted throughout the Scriptures as the Time of Trouble such as never was since there was a nation, will come upon them suddenly.</strong>" (Matthew 24:21)</li><li>"Then, later on, will come <strong>the Epiphania</strong>; that is to say, <strong>the revelation, or manifestation, of the present One.</strong> This will not be a manifestation in the flesh, but in <strong>a great Time of Trouble, symbolically represented as fire,</strong> as when we read, "He shall be revealed in flaming fire, taking vengeance." -- 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10.</li></ul><p>International Bible Students Association: "Nevertheless, when viewed from God’s standpoint, we are still “shortly after” 1914.  Although Russell himself did not think <strong>the time of trouble </strong>would be this long, he did allow that it could be. <strong>It is possible that the time allotted for this period is 120 years (1914+120=2034)</strong>, but that these days will be “cut short” some time before they are allowed to reach their end. We do not put this forth as a “prophecy”, nor would we feel anything was wrong if 2034 came and went and nothing had happened as far the full binding of Satan and the destruction of his empire is concerned. All things are in God’s hands."  </p><p>We are now fast approaching the second part of the Question Of Matthew 24:3 "... and of the <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/bible-glossary/conclusion-system-of-things/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">conclusion of the system of things?</a>" </p><ul><li>The great day of Jehovah is near! It is near and it is approaching very quickly! The sound of the day of Jehovah is bitter. There a warrior cries out. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/zephaniah/1/#v36001014" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Zephaniah 1:14</a>) </li><li>In that day Jehovah will turn his attention to the army of the heights above And to the kings of the earth upon the earth. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/isaiah/24/#v23024021" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Isaiah 24:21</a>)</li><li>And they must be ready for the third day, because on the third day Jehovah will come down upon Mount Sinai before the eyes of all the people. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/exodus/19/#v2019011" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Exodus 19:11</a>)</li><li>Therefore, watch yourselves closely—since you did not see any form on the day Jehovah spoke to you in Horeb out of the middle of the fire— (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/deuteronomy/4/#v5004015" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Deuteronomy 4:15</a>) </li></ul><p>The pangs of distress upon the earth that began in 1914 do have an ending to them as in the Days of Noah. When the Last Days of Distress end, then the earthly kings will declare “Peace and security!” But which side will YOU be on in that day? </p><p>As far back as 1880 the <em>Watchtower</em> magazine declared that <a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1954881#:~:text=But%20now%2C%20how,the%20end%E2%80%9D%20began" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1914 would mark the end of the “Gentile times.” </a> Better times are head of us <strong>when </strong><a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1984483#:~:text=Does%20this%20ancient,45%2D47" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>the age of violence</strong></a><strong> is brought to its' end. </strong></p><ul><li>Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them, just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/1-thessalonians/5/#v52005003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 Thessalonians 5:3</a>)</li><li>As <a href="https://www.brorando.com/post/2034-and-its-significance" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">2034</a> comes and goes <a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/201999001?#:~:text=See%20More-,%E2%80%9CExercise%20Patience%E2%80%9D,reward%20you%20for%20your%20hard%20work.%E2%80%8B%E2%80%94Heb.%206%3A10%2D12.,-English" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Exercise Patience</a> and Do Not Look Back! Remember Lot's Wife!</li></ul>]]>
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        <pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2023 15:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>For almost two thousand years, false religion have kept 'the truth' hidden from the many and now are losing their battle against the Lamb! True Christians are on the march in this dark world, allowing 'the truth' to shine forth. Jesus Christ shared with his followers, "People light a lamp and set it, not under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it shines on all those in the house." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/5/#v40005015" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 5:15</a>) </p><p>Christendom's Bible Scholars are among the most dishonest individuals on earth. They have been hiding 'the truth' from the many and now since the light is exposing them, they run to the mountains begging, "Fall over us and hide u<strong>s</strong> from the face of the One seated on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb," (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/6/#v66006016" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 6:16</a>)</p><p>There are Superlative titles that apply to the one true God Jehovah and <strong>Jehovah alone. </strong></p><ul><li>Adonay</li><li>Theon</li></ul><p>Adonay in Hebrew Script is spelled <strong>אֲדֹנָי</strong> and was used in replacing <strong>יהוה</strong> the four Hebrew letters usually transliterated YHWH or JHVH that form the Biblical Proper Name of God.  Yahweh or <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Jehovah</a>.  The title Adonay has Superlative meaning and which it only applies to the Supreme One or Self-Existent One.  Jehovah alone is most high and there is no other.  </p><ul><li>May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/psalms/83/#v19083018" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Psalms 83:18</a>) </li><li>You are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah, “Yes, my servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and have faith in me And understand that I am the same One. Before me no God was formed, And after me there has been none. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/isaiah/43/#v23043010" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Isaiah 43:10</a>)</li></ul><p>Adonay and Aăḏōwn spelled <strong>אֲד֖וֹן </strong>were used but then watered down by trinitarian translators using non-superlative titles such as <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God_in_Judaism#Adonai" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Adonai</a> ("My Lord") or <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Elohim</a> (literally means 'gods' but treated as singular when meaning "God") in prayer, or<strong> </strong><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God_in_Judaism#HaShem" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">HaShem</a> ("The Name") in everyday speech.  A popular expression containing this phrase is <em>Baruch HaShem</em>, meaning "Thank <a href="https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jehovah" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">God</a>" (literally meaning "<em>Blessed or Praised be the Name</em>") as in "<strong>Praised be the God and Father</strong> of our Lord Jesus Christ, for according to his great mercy he gave us a new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,"  (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/1-peter/1/#:~:text=Praised%20be%20the%20God%20and%20Father" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 Peter 1:3</a>) <em>Adonai </em>and <em>Elohim</em> are non-superlative titles and often applied to angels and men and are not exclusive. Moses himself was called <em>elohim or the Greek term theos</em>.</p><p>The Greek term (theon) spelled θεόν is also a Superlative title referring to the one true God Jehovah and <strong>Jehovah alone. </strong>It occurs 148 times in the NT Greek Scriptures.  When finding θεόν in a Greek scripture, one can replace it with Jehovah for a deeper understanding of God's Word. </p><ul><li>"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Jehovah, and the Word was a god."(John 1:1)</li><li>No man has seen Jehovah at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him. (John 1:18)</li></ul><p>Many other scriptures you can look up yourself if you would like to. Here's another example:</p><p>Englishman's Concordance</p><p><strong>θεόν (theon) — 148 Occurrences</strong></p><p><a href="https://biblehub.com/text/matthew/4-7.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>Matthew 4:7</strong></a><strong> </strong><a href="https://biblehub.com/abbrev.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>N-AMS</strong></a></p><p><a href="https://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/4.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">GRK:</a> Κύριον τὸν <strong>θεόν</strong> σου</p><p><a href="https://biblehub.com/nas/matthew/4.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">NAS:</a> THE LORD <em>YOUR GOD</em> TO THE TEST.'</p><ul><li>Jesus said to him: “<strong>Again it is written:</strong> ‘You must not put <strong>Jehovah your God to the test.</strong> (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/4/#v40004007" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Mathew 4:7</a>)  Notice Jesus quotes the Hebrew OT with God's Name in it which under inspiration states “You must not put <strong>Jehovah your God to the test </strong>the way you put him to the test at Massah." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/deuteronomy/6/#v5006016" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Deuteronomy 6:16</a>) Also, another reference to God's Name in Greek Scriptures is @ <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/luke/4/#v42004012" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Lu 4:12.</a> </li></ul><p>The second Greek word for God is (theos) spelled <strong>θεός </strong>in Greek. This title is non-superlative and can be applied to Jehovah, Jesus Christ, angels, men, and idols alike.  In prayer, Jesus invokes the Superlative title <strong>θεόν (theon) </strong>to his Father by stating, "You, the only true God" at  (<a href="https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/int/43/17#s=3&amp;study=discover" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 17:3</a>)  Jesus Christ is never referred to <strong>θεόν (theon).  </strong>Therefore, when Jesus Christ stated, "the Father is Greater than I am" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/john/14/#v43014028" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 14:28</a>) Jesus was stating an absolute truth. </p><p>I hope this Biblical Information helps you to break free from amongst the false religions that has entangled humankind with such hatred against one another.  Religion will soon be Destroyed.  And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “<strong>Get out of her, my people, </strong>if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of <strong>her</strong> plagues." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/18/#v66018004" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 18:4</a>)</p><p>This is Your RSVP invitation to learn the peace of mind you so richly deserve in this God Forsaken World.  The term "<strong>RSVP</strong>" comes from the French expression répondez s'il vous plaît, meaning "please respond." Once, you learn 'the truth' freedom is at your front door! "So if the Son sets you free, you will be truly free." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/john/8/#v43008036" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John8:36</a>)</p><ul><li>Select a Topic That Interests You</li><li>View encouraging Videos for yourself and your children</li><li>Read the Bible Online</li><li>Get Current Updates to Worldwide Events</li><li>Get Answers to those nagging questions</li><li>Visit <a href="http://jw.org/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">JW.org</a> anytime from anywhere</li></ul><h2></h2><h2>Don't give up, You have a reason to keep on living...</h2><p>Articles that may interest you:</p><ul><li><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/g201404/go-on-living-why/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Why Go On?</a></li><li><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/activities/help-community/saved-from-suicide/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Survive Depression</a></li><li><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-no2-2019-may-jun/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Is Life Worth Living?</a> </li><li><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/awake-no1-2020-mar-apr/how-to-deal-with-stress/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">How to Deal With Stress</a> </li><li><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/activities/help-community/campaign-saved-lives-tabasco-mexico/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">A Campaign That Saved Lives</a></li></ul><h2><a href="https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">National Suicide Prevention Lifeline</a>  1 (800) 273-8255  </h2><p><br /></p>]]>
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        <pubDate>Sat, 17 Jun 2023 02:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2023 19:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Brother Rando</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>Why do Trinitarians dismiss the Father granting <strong>to the Son to have life in himself </strong>?</p><p>They dismiss the scripture and cling to the trinity doctrine outside the Bible. But the Scripture is plain and open for All to SEE. </p><ul><li>For just as the Father has life in himself, thus also he has granted to the Son to have life in himself. (John 5:26)</li><li>Since the Father granted to the Son to have life in himself, immortality was a gift given to Jesus upon his resurrection.</li><li>For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, in order that he could bring you to God, being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit, (1 Peter 3:18)</li></ul><p>This is the moment that Jesus became, come to be, a life giving spirit. (1 Corinthian 15:45)</p>]]>
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        <pubDate>Fri, 16 Jun 2023 03:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Brother Rando</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>“And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and <strong>death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them:</strong> and <strong>they were judged every man according to their works.</strong>” (<a href="https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-20-13/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 20:13</a>)</p><p>My Story</p><p><a href="https://jehovahwitnessqhub.wordpress.com/2017/08/09/what-is-it-like-to-die/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">What is it like to die?</a></p><p>I first learned about death through a Bible Study. <strong>After learning the truth about death and that death is the last enemy that will be conquered,</strong> I wanted to learn more. Here’s a few scriptures that may give you some Relief and Comfort.</p><p>“For the living know that they will die, but <strong>the dead know nothing at all</strong>, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/ecclesiastes/9/#v21009005" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Ecclesiastes 9:5</a>)</p><p><strong>My Catholic upbringing always taught me that hell was an eternal place of torment and inescapable.</strong> This religious teaching never sat well with me. I could never figure out why the God of Love would do such a thing.</p><p>Then at my Bible Study, I came across this scripture, “hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.” (<a href="https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-20-13/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev 20:13</a>) This blew my mind because it connected the dots for me.<strong> See, the priests would take money from the parishioners to pray for their dead loved ones, telling us this might get them out of hell.</strong> All the while, preaching that hell is ETERNAL. Did they know something I didn’t, I wondered? This was nothing but a ponzi scheme.</p><p>Other scriptures that gave me Relief and Comfort is the good news about the Resurrection. “And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that <strong>there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous</strong>.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/acts/24/#v44024015" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Acts 24:15</a>) I was elated to learn this about my loved ones that have passed in death.</p><p>Then Jesus Christ told his followers, “Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/john/5/#v43005028" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 5:28</a>)</p>]]>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2023 06:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>Follow-up to <a href="https://www.christiandiscourse.net/discussion/1039/an-update-on-my-bible-study-groups-christology-study#latest" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">An update on my Bible study group's Christology study</a> is this "Searching Discussion" that may become quite verbose.</p><div><div><p><a data-username="Searching" data-userid="1141" rel="nofollow" href="https://christiandiscourse.net/index.php?p=/profile/Searching">@Searching</a> <a href="https://www.christiandiscourse.net/discussion/comment/22210/#Comment_22210" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">May 29</a> I think I owe you a little more than I wrote yesterday so... I stated I'm a former witness, but that may not be completely true since I was not disfellowshipped but just quit going to meetings over 40 years ago. I have found that vast majority of people that left were disfellowshipped or knew they were going to be for various reasons. When I left there were a number of things I was discouraged about, but nothing doctrinally. To explain it in detail would take a couple pages. I did go back a few years ago for a few months but found it different than what I remembered. When I was attending meetings about 60% of the congregation I was in were in their 20's. Vibrant, full of energy, and we had a lot of fellowship with each other, but the congregation I went to were about 70% old folks, like me, and I never felt at home there. Maybe it was because they knew I had not attended for 40 years and were suspicious. If so I don't blame them. I now find it hard to believe they are the "only ones" if you know what I mean.</p></div></div><p>Thank you for sharing. My journey toward Being Holy as God is Holy has felt like a roller coaster ride having many ups &amp; downs with magnificent Holy Highs intermixed with discouraging/depressing down times.</p><p>Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI) published 2022 American survey results on 16 May 2023 =&gt; <a href="https://www.prri.org/research/religion-and-congregations-in-a-time-of-social-and-political-upheaval/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>Religion and Congregations in a Time of Social and Political Upheaval</strong></a> that includes 56 % of All Americans attending religious services at least a few times a year in 2013 dropped to 43 % in 2022. Also "In 2022, about one in four Americans (24 %) say they were previously a follower or practioner of a different religious tradition or denomination than the one they belong to now, up from 16 % in 2021."</p><div><div><p><a data-username="Searching" data-userid="1141" rel="nofollow" href="https://christiandiscourse.net/index.php?p=/profile/Searching">@Searching</a> <a href="https://www.christiandiscourse.net/discussion/comment/22210/#Comment_22210" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">May 29</a> I have attended many churches over the years from Pentecostal to Baptist. Some for a number of years. Some had great speakers, one in particular had a great pastor and a couple had great music that could move you, but I always found them lacking in the truth. Every once in a while I will go on a site such as this to see if I can find someone that can refute their teachings of the trinity, hell, Jesus bodily resurrection, etc., but to no avail. Each time I do I'm always more convinced in the Witness teaching than before. Yet, I know the everything about them, so I know they're not perfect in their teaching. I'm in quite a quandary and have been for many years.</p></div></div><p>What are Watchtower Society teaching fallacies ?</p><p>Watchtower Society teaching of Jesus = Michael the Archangel is puzzling/perplexing to me. My understanding is Watchtower Society teaching that Michael's life force was transferred into the human baby of Jesus. Electricity description of life force says nothing identifiable as Michael went into the human body of Jesus. Hence, the Watchtower Society teaching of Jesus = Michael the Archangel makes no sense to me: no reason to believe that an Archangel became Jesus. Related puzzle is what happened to Archangel Michael when life force was transferred. Does Michael the Archangel have pre-Jesus &amp; post-Jesus incarnations ?</p><p>To me, Watchtower Society teaching has two deities: God the Father &amp; a god Michael the Archangel (as the man Jesus).</p><p>The name "Michael" means "Who is like God ?" that is different than words of Jesus in John 17, who experienced being by the glorious side of God the Father &amp; Loved before the foundation of the world.</p><p><a href="https://biblia.com/bible/leb/John%2017.1-26" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 17:1-26 LEB</a>  (with Hebrew word usually translated by Jewish scholars in LXX: <strong>אלהים</strong> as <strong>God</strong>) =&gt;</p><div><div><p>Jesus said these things, and lifting up his eyes to heaven he said, “<strong>Father, the hour has come! Glorify your Son, in order that your Son may glorify you — just as you have given him authority over all flesh, in order that he would give eternal life to them — everyone whom you have given him. Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true אלהים God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. I have glorified you on earth by completing the work that you have given me to do. And now, Father, you glorify me at your side with the glory that I had at your side before the world existed. “I have revealed your name to the men whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours, and you have given them to me, and they have kept your word. Now they understand that all the things that you have given me are from you, because the words that you gave to me I have given to them, and they received them and know truly that I have come from you, and they have believed that you have sent me. I am asking on behalf of them. I am not asking on behalf of the world, but on behalf of those whom you have given me, because they are yours, and all my things are yours, and your things are mine, and I have been glorified in them. And I am no longer in the world, and they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them in your name, which you have given to me, so that they may be one, just as we are. When I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given to me, and guarded them, and none of them has perished except the son of destruction, in order that the scripture would be fulfilled. And now I am coming to you, and I am saying these things in the world so that they may have my joy completed in themselves. I have given them your word, and the world has hated them, because they are not of the world just as I am not of the world. I do not ask that you take them out of the world, but that you protect them from the evil one. They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. Sanctify them in the truth — your word is truth. Just as you sent me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. And for them I sanctify myself, so that they themselves also may be sanctified in the truth. “And I do not ask on behalf of these only, but also on behalf of those who believe in me through their word, that they all may be one, just as you, Father, are in me and I am in you, that they also may be in us, in order that the world may believe that you sent me. And the glory that you have given to me, I have given to them, in order that they may be one, just as we are one — I in them, and you in me, in order that they may be completed in one, so that the world may know that you sent me, and you have loved them just as you have loved me. “Father, those whom you have given to me — I want that those also may be with me where I am, in order that they may see my glory that you have given me because you loved me before the foundation of the world. Righteous Father, although the world does not know you, yet I have known you, and these men have come to know that you sent me. And I made known to them your name, and will make it known, in order that the love with which you loved me may be in them, and I may be in them</strong>.”</p></div></div><p>Did <strong>יֵשׁוּעַ Jesus</strong> ever speak an untruthful word, which would make <strong>יֵשׁוּעַ Jesus</strong> &amp; "the only true <strong>אלהים</strong> God" a liar ?</p><p>Who gives eternal life ? What hope can the human Watchtower Society organization give ?</p><p>What is <strong>אלהים</strong> God's Glory (<a href="https://biblia.com/bible/leb/John%2017.5" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 17:5</a>) &amp; <strong>אלהים</strong> God's ❤️ Love (<a href="https://biblia.com/bible/leb/John%2017.24" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 17:24</a>) that <strong>יהוה</strong> Lord Jesus Christ experienced before Holy <strong>אלהים</strong> God created physical realm ?</p><p>What joy does <strong>יֵשׁוּעַ Jesus</strong> have that can be completed in believers &amp; followers of <strong>יֵשׁוּעַ Jesus</strong> ?</p><p>Request to keep them in your name is truly consistent with <a href="https://biblia.com/bible/leb/Jer%2023.5-6" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Jeremiah 23:5-6 LEB</a> =&gt; “Look, days are coming,” declares <strong>יהוה </strong>Yahweh, “when I will raise up for David a righteous branch, and he will reign as king, and he will achieve success, and he will do justice and righteousness in the land. In his days Judah will be saved, and Israel will dwell in safety, and this is his name by which he will be called: ‘<strong>יהוה </strong>Yahweh is our righteousness.’</p><p>Hebrew noun (construct spelling =&gt; <em>of</em>) for righteousness has pronoun, suffixed, 1st person, plural whose literal translation is: '<strong>יהוה </strong>Yahweh righteousness <em>of</em> We'</p><div><div><p><a data-username="Searching" data-userid="1141" rel="nofollow" href="https://christiandiscourse.net/index.php?p=/profile/Searching">@Searching</a> <a href="https://www.christiandiscourse.net/discussion/comment/22210/#Comment_22210" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">May 29</a> I think the Bible shows that there are not many roads leading to the same place, which seems to me what you are saying. The Bible says in <a href="https://biblia.com/bible/leb/1%20Cor%201.10" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 Corinthians 1:10</a> "in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought." In <a href="https://biblia.com/bible/leb/John%2017.20-23" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 17:20-23</a> Jesus said “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one—I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. <a href="https://biblia.com/bible/leb/Phil2.2" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Philippians2:2</a> says fulfill my joy by being like-minded, having the same love, <em>being</em> of one accord, of one mind. Does this sound like the 30,000 denominations of Christendom? Paul wrote this in <a href="https://biblia.com/bible/leb/Acts%202.9" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Acts 2:9</a>,<a href="https://biblia.com/bible/leb/Acts%202.30" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">30</a> "I know that after my departure, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. <a href="https://biblehub.com/greek/2532.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Even</a> <a href="https://biblehub.com/greek/1537.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">from</a> <a href="https://biblehub.com/greek/4771.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">your own</a> <a href="https://biblehub.com/greek/846.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">number,</a> <a href="https://biblehub.com/greek/435.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">men</a> <a href="https://biblehub.com/greek/450.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">will rise up</a> <a href="https://biblehub.com/greek/1294.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">and distort</a> <a href="https://biblehub.com/greek/2980.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">the truth</a> <a href="https://biblehub.com/greek/645.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">to draw away</a> <a href="https://biblehub.com/greek/3101.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">disciples</a> <a href="https://biblehub.com/greek/3694.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">after</a> <a href="https://biblehub.com/greek/1438.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">them.</a>"</p></div></div><p>Our spiritual adversary, the father of lies, is a master manipulator who wants to disrupt any human loving Holy God individually and corporately (so savage wolves rage in many places).</p><div><div><p><a data-username="Searching" data-userid="1141" rel="nofollow" href="https://christiandiscourse.net/index.php?p=/profile/Searching">@Searching</a> <a href="https://www.christiandiscourse.net/discussion/comment/22210/#Comment_22210" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">May 29</a> I think if we would go back to the 1st century Christians and see what they did, and believed it would look quite different than what we see in the church today. "one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father (not 3)</p></div></div><p>Revelation chapters 2 &amp; 3 have seven letters for Christian Churches, who had a variety of issues.</p><p>Logos Bible Search looking for English glosses in <a href="https://www.logos.com/product/55923/lexham-intro-collection" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">SBL Greek New Testament</a> is: (syntax also usable in <a href="https://app.logos.com" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Web App</a>)</p><p><a href="https://ref.ly/logos4/Search?kind=BibleSearch&amp;q=(judgment+OR+division+OR+infants+OR+jealousy+OR+body)+IN+milestone%3abible%3a1Co&amp;syntax=v2&amp;documentlevel=verse&amp;match=stem&amp;in=raw%3aSingle%7cResourceId%3dLLS%3aSBLGNT&amp;viewkind=passages" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>(judgment OR division OR infants OR jealousy OR body) IN milestone:bible:1Co</strong></a></p><div>
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<p>Search results in Paul's letter to 1st Corinthians shows divisions in 1st Century.</p><p>To me lawlessness increasing worldwide has more divisions currently in lots of groups.</p><p><br /></p><p>Sheep stink: they do not clean themselves &amp; cannot drink from moving water. Jesus said: "I AM the Good Shepherd" who truly knows how each person (including me) stinks along with Holy ability to forgive sins against Holy God &amp; cleanse from unrighteousness. Only requirement for cleansing is believing Jesus offered His Holy human body as a sacrifice for my sins (instead of me &amp; every human) and agree with Holy God about my sin stink with my sincere desire to turn from my sin to Be Holy as God is Holy so Jesus has become my Lord God. To me, Jesus is one voice in unique Holy God.</p><p><br /></p><p>Keep Smiling 😊</p>]]>
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        <pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2021 21:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Bill_Coley</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>On December 19, the small group Bible study I lead completed what turned out to be a 110 session, nearly 2-1/2 year review of the New Testament's witness as to the question of whether Jesus was God. In total, we examined approximately 450 passages comprising more than 40% of all the verses of the NT.</p><p>The concluding session of our NT review on Sunday contained something of a mid-season assessment of our discoveries to-date (we'll launch a review of 125-150 OT passages in January). The consensus view of those present distinguished between Jesus the human being and Jesus the resurrected, glorified one who sits at the right hand of God. No one believed the NT teaches that Jesus was God while on earth. Instead, group members said, the NT makes a clear distinction between God and the person Jesus through whom God worked.</p><p>On the other side of the resurrection Jesus was no longer a human being, but rather the one raised by God to a unique and eternal position of authority. Even in such exalted state, however, according to the mid-season view of group members, Jesus wasn't God's equal, but rather one elevated above everyone and everything other than God.</p><p>Study participants expressed unresolved questions after their first 110 hours of discussion - for example, about the verses and passages in the NT that declare the pre-existence of Jesus - and welcomed such an inconclusive status. In fact, throughout our journey I've quasi-demanded that the group not reach any definitive conclusions about our core question until we've completed our biblical review. Hence, yesterday's observations were clearly interim, not final, in nature.</p><p>The group member who came into the study with Christological views most inline with Trinitarian theology voiced the most obvious change of position. In the early months of our study, he spoke clearly and with authenticity about Jesus as God. He now believes Jesus was not God, but was a human on earth, but also (somehow) the one through whom God created everything (the pre-existence material) and the one who now reigns with God, just below God in eternal authority.</p><p>You might want to credit/blame me as the group's leader and the church's pastor for both that gentleman's change of views and the group's consensus opinion. The truth is not once have I declared to the group my views on the question, I have assiduously avoided drawing broad conclusions from the texts we've reviewed, and I have made every effort to point out the verses/passages the various sides of the debate rely on to support their views. Hence, the biblical text and our group's very active discussion of it have most affected his views, not I.</p><p>You may strongly disagree with my Christology; if you do, I respect your views and celebrate the faith that undergirds them. But I hope you will celebrate with me the good news of a group of lay Christians investing 2-1/2 years of study (so far) in intentional Bible study on such a specific and profound matter. </p><p>I will soon post a link to the OT texts we will review in the next phase of our study. Thanks again to those who responded in another thread to my request for suggested texts.</p>]]>
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        <pubDate>Mon, 27 Dec 2021 01:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Brother Rando</dc:creator>
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<p><br /></p><h5>Would you like to live on a Paradise Earth? </h5><p>Think of it. No more sickness, nor more suffering, no more death. Seems impossible doesn't it? Today, we live in a system that thrives on greed and disregarding the downtrodden. The Bible can help you make marvelous changes to you Life for the Better. You can live a quiet and peaceful Life in a world full of turmoil.</p><p>Why do so many religions reject the Good News about God's Kingdom? Why do so many religions join political systems to engage in maiming and killing one another? <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/control-world-tract/who-controls-the-world" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Who Really Controls the World?</a> The Answer may Surprise You. "Who can conquer the world? Is it not the one who has faith that Jesus is the Son of God?" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/1-john/5/#v62005005" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 John 5;5</a>)</p><p>When sharing he Good News of God's Kingdom, True Christians would share several staples of the Lord's Prayer.</p><ol><li>   True Christians would Sanctify the Father's Name by making it known. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/6/#v40006009" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 6:9</a>)</li><li>   True Christians would Pray for God's Kingdom to come. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/6/#v40006009" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 6:10</a>)</li><li>   True Christians would Pray the Father's Will to <a href="https://www.jw.org/ase/publications/books/good-news-from-god/what-is-gods-kingdom/video-kingdom-come/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">take place on Earth</a> as it is in Heaven.</li></ol><p>As True Christians, Jehovah's Witnesses obey the teachings of Jesus Christ, doing the same work Jesus Christ started two thousand years ago. Jesus stated, You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you, so that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise on both the wicked and the good and makes it rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/5/#v40005043" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 5:43-45</a>) You must accordingly be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/5/#v40005048" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 5:48</a>)</p><p>"Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more; You will look at where they were, And they will not be there. But the meek will possess the earth, And they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/psalms/37/#v19037010" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Psalms 37:9-10</a>)</p><p>"The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/psalms/37/#v19037029" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Psalms 37:29</a>) Trust in Jehovah and do what is good; Reside in the earth, and act with faithfulness. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/psalms/37/#v19037003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Psalm 37:3</a>) </p><div data-embedjson="{&quot;body&quot;:&quot;Today’s world is far from the Paradise God meant it to be. However, God has not changed his mind; he will fulfill his original purpose.&quot;,&quot;photoUrl&quot;:&quot;https:\/\/assetsnffrgf-a.akamaihd.net\/assets\/m\/2021087\/univ\/art\/2021087_univ_sqr_xl.jpg&quot;,&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https:\/\/www.jw.org\/en\/library\/magazines\/watchtower-no2-2021-may-jun\/new-world-paradise\/&quot;,&quot;embedType&quot;:&quot;link&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;The Paradise New World That Is Near!&quot;}">
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        <title>The Sin Proof Christian: A reality or Misunderstanding?</title>
        <link>https://christiandiscourse.net/index.php?p=/discussion/1110/the-sin-proof-christian-a-reality-or-misunderstanding</link>
        <pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2023 04:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>C Mc</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>According to<strong> 1 John 3:9,</strong> once a person accepts Christ and is baptized, does this makes him "Sin Proof"? Short of the return of Jesus, must a person sin regardless of his relationship with Jesus? </p><p><strong>A Seeker wants to know:</strong></p><ul><li>Is John mistaken, or is 1 John 3:9 a mistranslation? </li><li>What guidance can you give a seeker sincerely desirous of living and doing right by Christ until He comes again? </li></ul><p>What is your take on this verse in the context of the chapter and the Book of First John? <strong>CM</strong></p>]]>
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        <title>Isa 8:20 (NIV): What does this means to Isaiah and for us today?</title>
        <link>https://christiandiscourse.net/index.php?p=/discussion/1112/isa-8-20-niv-what-does-this-means-to-isaiah-and-for-us-today</link>
        <pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2023 07:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>C Mc</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p><strong>Isa 8:20 </strong>(NIV)<strong>:</strong> "<strong><em>To the law and to the testimony</em></strong>!" This is a verse often read but seldom understood. Although the Book of Isaiah was written in "the year King Uzziah died" (Isa 6:1), the prophet was young. The year was 740 B.C. when King Ahaz ruled (735-716 B.C.). In light of this, is the verse relevant to the serious Bible student today? <strong>CM</strong></p>]]>
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        <title>Adam and Eve: Are they the parents of us all, and why is this subject important?</title>
        <link>https://christiandiscourse.net/index.php?p=/discussion/1101/adam-and-eve-are-they-the-parents-of-us-all-and-why-is-this-subject-important</link>
        <pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2022 04:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Tristan Austin</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>Today, some Bible teachers debate whether Adam and Eve are the parents of us all. The Bible indicates several things: 1. Adam was the first man, 2. Eve was the first woman, 3. All mankind descends from them. </p><p>The Bible states in 1 Corinthians 15:45 “the first man Adam was made a living soul,” and, in the genealogy of Christ, It refers to Adam as the son of God (Luke 3:38). These statements show that Adam was the first man, but was Eve the first woman? In the garden, Adam was the only human living (Gen. 2:18), so God chose to create a help meet for him (Gen. 2:18). While Adam slept, God formed a woman from one of Adam’s ribs (Gen 2:22). Adam called his wife Woman “because she was taken out of Man” (Gen. 2:23).</p><p>We have seen that Adam and Eve were the first man and woman, but were there more people in the garden? Since Adam had been alone and Eve became “the mother of all living” (Gen. 3:20), we can conclude that there were no other people in the garden from whom we might have descended. Furthermore, God implies all women are the daughters of Eve (1 Timothy 2:9-15) and that all people descended from Adam (1 Cor. 15:22, 2 Chr. 25:4 ). We are all “of one blood” (Acts 17:26).  </p><p>Did God use evolution to create man? Man could not be formed by evolution because evolution uses death. In Romans 5:12 and 1 Corinthians 15:22, God clearly states that death came through sin, and sin came through man. Additionally, mutations would not provide a good vehicle for evolution since they tend to be harmful, not beneficial (e.g. cancer, protein dysfunctionality, etc.). Even the time period of creation does not allow for evolution: “And the evening and the morning were the sixth day” (Gen. 1:31).</p><p>“Why is all this important?” you might ask. Here are several reasons. First, special creation shows that God is a good Creator. He did not use death and suffering when He formed man. Instead, God breathed the breath of life into him. (He even got Adam in on the action when He took Adam’s rib!) God’s creation was surely very good! Second, we see that all men have the image of God. If we were to suppose that some humans were not created in the image of God (as Adam’s descendants), we might not treat them according to the Golden Rule. Sadly, we have  seen humans stripped of their dignity in our past. Third, the Bible does not appear to contradict itself when Adam is referred to as a real man. The doctrine of inerrancy is thus bolstered in our minds. Last, all men have the opportunity to accept Christ (2 Pet. 3:9, Jn. 3:16, Tit. 2:11, 1 Cor. 15:22).  </p><p>"For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" (Rom. 10:12-13). </p>]]>
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        <link>https://christiandiscourse.net/index.php?p=/discussion/676/jesus-not-god-savior</link>
        <pubDate>Sat, 20 Apr 2019 07:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>A number of CD replies by <a data-username="Wolfgang" data-userid="10" rel="nofollow" href="https://christiandiscourse.net/index.php?p=/profile/Wolfgang">@Wolfgang</a> &amp; <a data-username="Bill_Coley" data-userid="12" rel="nofollow" href="https://christiandiscourse.net/index.php?p=/profile/Bill_Coley">@Bill_Coley</a> have asserted an idea that Jesus is not God so searched New American Standard Bible: 1995 Update using Logos Bible Software for "not ... God" usage near Jesus:</p><p><a href="https://ref.ly/logos4/Search?kind=BibleSearch&amp;q=(not+BEFORE+2+WORDS+God)+WITHIN+7+WORDS+(Jesus%2cChrist%2c%3cPerson+Jesus%3e)&amp;match=stem&amp;in=raw%3aSingle%7cResourceId%3dLLS%3a1.0.71" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>(not BEFORE 2 WORDS God) WITHIN 7 WORDS (Jesus,Christ,&lt;Person Jesus&gt;)</strong></a></p><p>that found four verses: John 9:16, John 9:33, 1 John 4:3, 2 John 9 (noted only one Bible author so assertion about Jesus not being God by other authors plainly lacks verses to consider).</p><p>John chapter 9 tells about the man born blind being healed by Jesus, which includes verse 16 "Therefore some of the Pharisees were saying, “This <strong>man</strong> is <strong>not</strong> from <strong>God</strong>, because He does not keep the Sabbath.” But others were saying, “How can a man who is a sinner perform such signs?” And there was a division among them.</p><p> <a href="https://ref.ly/logosres/nasb95?ref=BibleNASB95.Jn9.16&amp;off=4&amp;ctx=ed%2c+and+I+see.%E2%80%9D%0a+16+~Therefore+some+of+th" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><em>New American Standard Bible: 1995 Update</em></a> (La Habra, CA: The Lockman Foundation, 1995), Jn 9:16.</p><p>Pharisees were professional scripture students, whose letter of the law memorization included Exodus 31:15 ‘For <strong>six days</strong> work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, holy to the Lord; whoever does any work on the sabbath day shall surely be put to death.</p><p> <a href="https://ref.ly/logosres/nasb95?ref=BibleNASB95.Ex31.15&amp;off=4&amp;ctx=ong+his+people.%0a+15+~%E2%80%98a%EF%BB%BFFor+six+days+work" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><em>New American Standard Bible: 1995 Update</em></a> (La Habra, CA: The Lockman Foundation, 1995), Ex 31:15.</p><p>John 9:33 is the healed man responding to the Pharisees. 1 John 4:3 pericope context is 1 John 4:1-6 about <em>Testing the Spirits. </em>2 John 9 pericope context is the entire letter. John documented some Pharisees believed Jesus is not from God while the other verses plainly do not match <a data-username="Wolfgang" data-userid="10" rel="nofollow" href="https://christiandiscourse.net/index.php?p=/profile/Wolfgang">@Wolfgang</a> &amp; <a data-username="Bill_Coley" data-userid="12" rel="nofollow" href="https://christiandiscourse.net/index.php?p=/profile/Bill_Coley">@Bill_Coley</a> assertions about the diety of Jesus.</p><p>The ending of John chapter 9 (verses 35-41) include Jesus asking the healed man if he believes in the "Son of Man" (that is a diety term for Jesus referring to Daniel 7:13-14) followed by the healed man worshipping Jesus (without being rebuked by Jesus).</p><p>If Jesus is not God, then Jesus receiving worship for God is sin (<a href="denied:unsafe:about:blank" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Ex 20:5</a> , <a href="denied:unsafe:about:blank" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Dt 5:9</a>), which disqualifies Jesus from being savior for anyone.</p><p>If Jesus is God, then Jesus receiving worship for God is not sin (and appropriate).</p><p>Keep Smiling ﻿😀﻿</p>]]>
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        <link>https://christiandiscourse.net/index.php?p=/discussion/951/the-latter-days-in-daniel</link>
        <pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2021 10:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>C Mc</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>This phrase appears in the book of Daniel and a similar one ("<strong><em>The time of the end</em></strong>"), what do they mean? Are the events in Daniel's time and/or beyond his time? The four major schools of interpretation to unpack these events:</p><p>1.     <strong>Historical-critical</strong> -- Interpreters who do not consider the book of Daniel as true prophecy written in the sixth century B.C. by Daniel. It sees the book of Daniel as a situation of the Jewish people under the persecution of Antiochus IV Epiphanes.</p><p>2.     <strong>Preterist</strong> -- Limit the fulfillment of its prophecies to the time period from the time of Daniel (6 century B.C. to Christ's first coming or to the end of the Roman Empire.</p><p>3.     <strong>Historicists</strong> -- The school of interpreters. It views Daniel as the author of the book. prophecies of Daniel cover the entire historical period from Daniel’s days to the final eschaton without any gap or interruption.</p><p>4.     <strong>Futurist-dispensational</strong> -- accept Daniel’s authorship of the book in the sixth century B.C. They expect that in the future a personal Antichrist will appear who will fulfill what is said of the Little Horn in Dan 7 and of the king of the North in Dan 11:36-45.</p><ul><li>This school is <strong>divided into two groups</strong>: <ul><li>Those who believe that there is a gap in the fulfillment of the prophecies of Daniel from the first coming of Christ to seven years before his second coming (<strong>Dispensationalists</strong>).  </li><li>Those who think that from the destruction of the Roman Empire (the fourth beast in Dan 7:8) to the appear­ance of the Little Horn (the Antichrist) there will be a number of kingdoms (the ten horns) which are successors to the Roman Empire (<strong>Futurists</strong>).</li></ul></li></ul><p>At times, there is <strong>some overlapping</strong>. For example: Preterists, Futurists, and Historicists all believe that the author of Daniel lived in the sixth century. </p><ul><li> <strong>Historical-critical</strong> scholars do not.  </li><li><strong>Preterists, Futurists, and Historical-critical</strong> scholars all apply Daniel 8 to Antiochus IV Epiphanes. <strong>Historicists</strong>generally do not. </li></ul><p>The phrase "<strong>Latter Days</strong>" refer to different periods in the history of Israel (endtime) in the OT:</p><ul><li><strong>“Eschatological” (“</strong><em>doctrine of the last things</em><strong>”) e.g., Deut 4:30; Jer 23:20; 30:24.</strong></li><li>Others are <strong>NOT</strong>, e.g., Deut 31:29; Jer 48:47; 49:39</li></ul><p>Let’s be clear: <strong>"Eschatology”</strong> can be view as:</p><ul><li><strong>Narrowly: </strong>The <strong>end of history and the beginning of the time of eternal salvation. </strong></li><li><strong>Broadly: "</strong><em>To a future in which the circumstances of history are changed to such an extent that one can speak of a new, entirely different, state of things without, in doing so, necessarily leaving the framework of history".</em><strong> [</strong>Th. C. Vriezen,"Prophecy and Eschatology,"<strong> VT, </strong>Sup 1 (1953): 223<strong>].</strong></li></ul><p>"<strong>Latter Days</strong>" of Dan. 10:14 and "<strong>Latter Days</strong>" of Dan. 2:28 [distant future] are the same. Both phrases refer to the future which began in the time of Daniel and which reaches down to the time of the Messianic kingdom. "<strong><em>The time of the end</em></strong>" in Dan 8:17; 11:35,40; and 12:4,9, are the same. Some see these phrases to mean:</p><p>1.     The time of Antiochus IV Epiphanes (175-164 B.C.) and his attacks on the religion of the Jews.</p><p>2.     <strong>Before the second coming of Christ. </strong></p><p>3.     A dual-fulfillment sees both events contained in the prophecy.</p><p>The questions are, the phrase, "<strong>Latter Days</strong>" does it means:</p><ul><li>First or the second appearance of the Messiah?</li><li>The future in general, or </li><li>Does it refer to both?</li></ul><p>In the NT, "<strong>the last days</strong>" are placed in a basic or natural Christological setting and the expression becomes an idiom for the Messianic or Christian age (<strong>Acts 2:17; Heb 1:2</strong>).</p><p><strong>Extra-biblical information</strong> of the two phrases, "<strong><em>the latter days"</em></strong> and "<strong><em>the time of the end</em></strong>" can contribute to understanding of these expressions in the book of Daniel and in the OT. </p><p>Bring further enlightenment to the subject matter. <strong>CM</strong></p><p><br /></p><p><strong>Sources:</strong></p><ul><li>S. R. Driver, <strong>The Book of Daniel. CBSC</strong> (Cambridge: University Press, 1901), xlvii.</li><li>Andre Lacoque, <strong>The Book of Daniel</strong> (Atlanta: John Knox Press, 1979), 7.</li><li>Moses Stuart, <strong>A Commentary on the Book of Daniel</strong> (Boston: Crocker and Brewster, 1850), 65</li><li>Samuel Lee, <strong>An Inquiry into the Nature. Progress, and End of Prophecy</strong> (Cambridge: University Press, 1849).</li><li>Edward J. Young, <strong>The Prophecy of Daniel</strong> (Grand Rapids: Wm. B. Eerdmans, 1949), 149, 163, 249. </li></ul>]]>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2021 23:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>C Mc</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p><strong>Genesis 3 speaks of a snake:</strong></p><ol><li>What kind of serpent (snake) was it?</li><li>Was it a supernatural being or animal?</li><li>Was it an ordinary snake?</li><li>In light of the biblical account, does the serpent talk or Eve hear voices?</li><li>What other features did the snake in Eden processed or was able to do?</li><li>Did God make all snakes as above and take some things away from them?</li></ol><p>By this account, humans didn't fear snakes back then as they fear them today, by most people. Read the complete account about the serpent (<strong>Gen. 3:1–4, 14–16</strong>). Why are snakes feared today? Is there a message or lessons we can learn in the NT from the serpent's activities in the OT? <strong>CM</strong></p>]]>
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        <title>Ukraine War Fuels Global Food Crisis</title>
        <link>https://christiandiscourse.net/index.php?p=/discussion/1084/ukraine-war-fuels-global-food-crisis</link>
        <pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2022 14:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Brother Rando</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<h2><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/series/more-topics/food-crisis-war-ukraine-bible-meaning-hope/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">The Bible foretold food crises</a></h2><ul><li> Jesus prophesied: “Nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, <strong>and <em>there will be food shortages</em></strong><em>.”</em>—<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/24/#v40024007" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 24:7</a>.</li><li> The Bible book of Revelation describes four symbolic horsemen. One of those horsemen represents warfare. He is followed by another who represents famine, a time when food would be rationed and sold at exorbitant prices. “I saw a black horse, and its rider had a balance scale in one hand. I heard what sounded like a voice . . . It said, ‘A quart of wheat will cost you a whole day’s wages! Three quarts of barley will cost you a day’s wages too.’”—<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/6/#v66006005-v66006006" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Revelation 6:5, 6</a>, <em>Contemporary English Version.</em></li></ul><p><strong>These Bible prophecies about food crises are being fulfilled now in the time that the Bible calls “</strong><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/bible-glossary/conclusion-system-of-things/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>the last days</strong></a><strong>.” (</strong><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/2-timothy/3/#v55003001" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>2 Timothy 3:1</strong></a><strong>)</strong> </p><div>
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<p>To learn more about “the last days” and the ride of the four horsemen of Revelation, <strong>watch the video</strong> <a href="https://www.jw.org/finder?lank=pub-lffv_322_VIDEO&amp;wtlocale=E" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong><em>The World Has Changed Since 1914</em></strong></a><strong> and read the article “</strong><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-no3-2017-may/who-are-the-four-horsemen/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>The Four Horsemen—Who Are They?</strong></a><strong>”</strong></p><ul><li> The Bible <strong>contains practical advice</strong> that can help us cope with challenging circumstances, including rising food prices or even food shortages. See some examples in the article “<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/series/more-topics/live-on-less/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">How to Live on Less</a>.”</li><li> The Bible also <strong>gives us hope</strong> that things will get better. It promises a time when “there will be an abundance of grain on the earth” and everyone will have plenty to eat. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/psalms/72/#v19072016" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Psalm 72:16</a>) To learn more about the Bible’s hope for the future and why you can trust it, read the article “<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/series/more-topics/real-hope-future-bible-promises/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">A Real Hope for a Better Tomorrow</a>.”</li></ul>]]>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2018 05:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>C Mc</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>The name <strong>Michael</strong>, what does it means or designates? Is Michael a man, an angel or what? Let's keep in mind the Book of Daniel is a prophetic book (written in the 6th Century B. C.) with correlation to the Book of Revelation (prophetic in nature). What importance does this figure have to do with the Last Book of the Bible (Rev) and today's Christians? CM</p>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2021 03:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>theMadJW</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>A Godman? A "God-the-Son' instead of "the son of God"?</p><p>Just another Prophet? </p><div>
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        <title>Who is Jehovah?</title>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Brother Rando</dc:creator>
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</div><p>Jehovah is God’s unique name as revealed in the Bible. (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/exodus/3/#v2003015" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Exodus 3:​15; Psalm 83:18</a>) It comes from a Hebrew verb that means “to become,” and a number of scholars suggest that the name means “He Causes to Become.” </p>]]>
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        <title>Why Do Jehovah's Witnesses Reject Blood Transfusions?</title>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2021 16:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Brother Rando</dc:creator>
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<p>Jehovah's Witnesses are Christians who accepted the  <strong>'Blood of Christ'</strong> for salvation. The truth never changes and a<strong> true Christian </strong>should also be mindful of Satan's Challenge to Jehovah about<strong> skin in behalf of skin. </strong>Therefore, accepting *<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/jehovahs-witnesses-why-no-blood-transfusions/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Blood</a>* from another source or even themselves could be rendered  <strong>a denial of our </strong><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/2-peter/3/#v61003018" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.</strong></a><strong>  </strong>In the time of the end known as the <a href="https://www.brorando.com/post/the-last-days-when" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Last Days</a>, "<strong>Many will cleanse themselves and whiten themselves and will be refined. </strong>And the wicked ones will act wickedly, and none of the wicked will understand; but those having insight will understand." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/daniel/12/#v27012010" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Daniel 12:10</a>)  True Christians who exercise faith in the <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/How-Can-Blood-Save-Your-Life/The-Blood-That-Really-Saves-Lives/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Living Blood of Christ</a> will survive  the Last Days and 'are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, for they have washed their robes and <strong>made them white in the blood of the Lamb.'</strong>(<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/revelation/7/#v66007013-v66007014" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Rev  7:14</a>)</p><p><br /></p><p><strong>Teachings of Jesus Christ:</strong></p><ul><li>"Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has everlasting life, and I will resurrect him on the last day;" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/john/6/#v43006054" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 6:54</a>)  </li><li>"For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/16/#v40016025" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 16:25</a>)  </li><li>"But whoever disowns me before men, I will also disown him before my Father who is in the heavens." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/10/#v40010033" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 10:33</a>)  </li><li>"Just let your word ‘Yes’ mean yes, your ‘No,’ no, for what goes beyond these is from the wicked one." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/5/#v40005037" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 5:37</a>)  </li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Teaching of the Apostles:</strong></p><ul><li>"For if we practice sin willfully after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left," (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/hebrews/10/#v58010026" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Hebrews 10:26</a>)</li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Teaching of the Holy Spirit:</strong></p><ul><li>"Abstain . . . from blood.  If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, <strong>you will prosper. Good health to you!</strong>” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/acts/15/#v44015028" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Acts 15:28-29</a>)  </li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Teachings of Jesus Christ about Holy Spirit</strong></p><p><br /></p><ul><li>"For this reason I say to you, every sort of sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, <strong>but the blasphemy against the spirit will not be forgiven.</strong>" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/12/#v40012031" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 12:31</a>)  </li><li>"For example, whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it will be forgiven him; but <strong>whoever speaks against the holy spirit, it will not be forgiven him, no, not in this system of things nor in that to come.</strong>" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/12/#v40012032" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Matthew 12:32</a>) </li></ul><p>The Bible commands that God's People not ingest blood. So we should not accept whole blood or its primary components in any form, whether offered as food or as a transfusion.   Note the following scriptures:</p><ul><li><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/genesis/9/#v1009004" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>Genesis 9:4</strong></a><strong>.</strong> God allowed Noah and his family to add animal flesh to their diet after the Flood but commanded them not to eat the blood. God told Noah: “<strong>Only flesh with its soul—its blood—you must not eat.</strong>” This command applies to all mankind from that time on because all are descendants of Noah.</li><li><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/leviticus/17/#v3017014" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>Leviticus 17:14</strong></a><strong>.</strong> “<strong>You must not eat the blood of any sort of flesh,</strong> because the soul of every sort of flesh is its blood. Anyone eating it will be cut off.” God viewed the soul, or life, as being in the blood and belonging to him. Although this law was given only to the nation of Israel, it shows how seriously God viewed the law against eating blood.</li><li><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/acts/15/#v44015020" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>Acts 15:20</strong></a><strong>.</strong> “<strong>Abstain . . . from blood.</strong>” God gave Christians the same command that he had given to Noah. History shows that early Christians refused to consume whole blood or even to use it for medical reasons.</li></ul><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/news/jw/region/italy/medical-conferences-transfusion-alternative-strategies/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>Doctors in Italy Show Interest in Transfusion-Alternative Strategies</strong></a></p><p><a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/videos/no-blood-medicine-meets-challenge/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>Public Notice Video</strong></a></p>]]>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2021 20:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Truth</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>What labels did Jesus use?</p><ul><li>dogs</li><li>pigs</li><li>snakes</li><li>devils</li><li>blind fools</li><li>hypocrites</li><li>child of Hell</li></ul><p>What more labels can you think of?</p><p>When should we use labels?</p><p>When should we not use labels?</p><p>If we use labels, how should we use them?</p>]]>
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        <title>The Holy Spirit [The Biblical View] -- Intelligent Being, Influence (&quot;It&quot;) or God?</title>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2018 07:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>C Mc</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>Given that non-trinitarians have relegated Jesus to a created being, an angel or some kind of lieutenant God, given certain powers to save mankind, one wonders, what is their view of the Holy Spirit? Better yet, <strong>what does the Bible teaches about the Holy Spirit?</strong> What is said of the <strong>Spirit's nature, character, role, existence, power, and relationship to the Father and the Son?</strong> Is the Holy (ghost) Spirit God? Does the Bible teach that the <strong>Spirit should be understood to be an influence or Heavenly force?</strong> What are the true teachings? Should we pray to the Spirit? What are the biblical manifestations of the Spirit at creation and among men? These and other questions need to be asked to further understand God through His revealed Word. CM</p>
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        <pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2021 21:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Brother Rando</dc:creator>
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<p>What does it mean?  Jesus replied to the thief “Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise.” (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/luke/23/#v42023043" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Luke 23:43</a>)  The Apostle Paul explains that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.  (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/acts/24/#v44024015" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Acts 24:15</a>)   Since no unrighteous individuals are allowed entry to Heaven.  Both Jesus and Paul were speaking about an Earthly Paradise. </p><p>False Religion and her minions reject "<strong>Christ died for our sins </strong>according to the Scriptures;  and <strong>that he was buried, yes, that he was raised up on the third day</strong> according to the Scriptures;" (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/1-corinthians/15/#v46015003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">1 Corinthians 15:3-4</a>)  Nobody is resurrected from Heaven to be on the earth. Notice Jesus never stated you will be with me in Heaven as oppossers of the Jesus Christ claim.  <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/romans/10/#v45010009" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Romans 10:9</a> states if you publicly declare with your mouth that <strong>Jesus is Lord</strong>, and exercise faith in your heart that <strong>God raised him up from the dead, Y<em>ou will be saved.   </em></strong></p><p><strong>Why is such a simple message often reected by false religion? </strong> Many translations place a comma before the word “today” and thereby giving the impression that  both Jesus and the evildoer both entered into Heaven that very same day.  <strong>Jesus himself was dead and in the tomb until the third day</strong> and was then resurrected as “the firstfruits” of the first resurrection.  The scriptures state that Jesus ascended to Heaven <strong>after 40 days after his resurrection.</strong>  Where was he during those 40 days?  Since <strong>Jesus sacrificed his fleshly body once for all time, </strong>he manifested and taught his disiples in different fleshly bodies her on earth about God's Kingdom.  (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/acts/1/#v44001003-v44001011" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Acts 1:3-11</a>)</p><p>The scriptures state after he had suffered, he <strong>showed himself alive</strong> to them (how?) <strong>by many convincing proofs.  </strong>He was <strong>Seen </strong>by them <strong>throughout 40 days</strong>, and he was speaking about the Kingdom of God." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/acts/1/#v44001003" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Acts 1:3</a>)  Just think, after spending 40 days with his disciples in different bodies, he still showed himself <strong>ALIVE by Many Convining Proofs.</strong>  Something he would have no need to do, if he was resurrected in his own body.</p><p>When you think of it.  Even when Jesus appeared to his disicples a second time as a group, <strong>this time with Thomas.</strong> They saw a man standing in their midst saying '<strong>May you have peace</strong>'. None of them exclaimed, there he is.... JESUS!  This is because the did not know who this man was. But then Jesus says to Thomas, "Put your finger here, and see my hands, and take your hand and stick it into my side, and stop doubting but believe." (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/john/20/#v43020027" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 20:27</a>)</p><p>What was different with this specific mafifesting than others?  This time was the only time he manifested with <strong>wounds. </strong>See, if Jesus manifested in his own body, even without wounds, his disiples would have surely knew who he was. But, because he was in <strong>a different body yet again</strong> notice what Thomas' response was,“My Lord and my God! (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/john/20/#v43020028" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Johm 20:28</a>)</p><p>When a person performs a certain feat that overwhelms a person witnessing it, we might hear the expression OMG!  It doesn't mean that this person is God. However, if we look up the Greek we can see how Thomas made a simliar statement that was much more refining. </p><p>Thomas answered and said to him, "<strong>You are the Lord of me and the God of me!</strong>" (<a href="https://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/20-28.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 20:28 Greek</a>)  It was at this precise moment in time, that Thomas realized and was given an epiphany that <strong>Jesus is 'the Christ, the Son of the living God.' </strong>(<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/16/#v40016016" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">Mathew 16:16</a>)  In like manner, Moses was God to Aaron and Pharoh.  Yet, we all know that Moses is not God.</p><p>One should also note that Thomas<strong> never asked to see Jesus body</strong> but rather his nail prints and his side.  Evidently all the disciples and the women alike, had the same account of seeing Jesus in a differnet body, <strong>but without wounds.  </strong>Therefore, this would cause Thomas to doubt that it was Jesus appearing to them and this is why the account reads as it does, “Unless I see in his hands the print of the nails and stick my finger into the print of the nails and stick my hand into his side, I will never believe it.”</p><p>Yet, after all these proofs, notice what (<a href="https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/john/20/#v43020030-v43020031" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc">John 20:30-31</a>) states.  "<strong>To be sure, Jesus also performed Many Other Signs before the disciples,</strong> which are not written down in this scroll. But these have been written down so that <strong>you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and because of believing, you may have life by means of his Name.</strong>"</p><p>Why not take a <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/online-lessons/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>Free Bible Online Lesson </strong></a>and see how much you know.  Will you accept a <a href="https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/free-bible-study/" rel="nofollow noreferrer ugc"><strong>Free Home Bible Study</strong></a><strong> today,</strong> to continue living on through the Great Tribulation?</p>]]>
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