Is Jesus Christ (Michael the Archangel)?

Both passages are fully true and mean entirely different things--a fact which I think you know, even if you are required to speak the Watchtower line. There is no conflict.

Even if you were right (which contradicts Heb 5:5) that still leaves you with polytheism and worshipping an angel--both expressly forbidden.

Repeatedly, you will not address this blasphemous worship and polygamy because even your unholy Watchtower has no answer for it.

You are treed with no place to go but scrambling back to your Popes at the Watchtower. Accept the Bible for what it says without distortion and it all snaps crisply into place. Try it.

So you do not worship Jesus?

Those in the Bible who worshipped Jesus were wrong?

So those in the Bible who worshipped Jesus were wrong, even though Jesus accepted their worship?

The New Testament reveals Jesus receiving worship on many occasions. Each time, Jesus accepted the worship.

Matthew 8:2 notes a healed leper who worshipped Jesus. Later, a ruler knelt before Jesus after He had healed his Son. Matthew 9:18 states, "A ruler came in and knelt before him."

The disciples worshipped Jesus after He walked on water. Matthew 14:33 shares, "Those in the boat worshipped him, saying, 'Truly you are the Son of God.'"

A Canaanite woman worshipped Jesus. Matthew 15:25 notes, "she came and knelt before him, saying, 'Lord, help me.'" The mother of James and John also knelt in worship before Jesus. Matthew 20:20 shares, "Then the mother of the sons of Zebedee came up to him with her sons, and kneeling before him she asked him for something."

Mark 5:6 describes a man worshiping Jesus who was tormented by evil spirits. We read, "when he saw Jesus from afar, he ran and fell down before him."

A healed blind man worshipped Jesus. John 9:38 states, "He said, 'Lord, I believe,' and he worshipped him."

Matthew 28:17 notes an occasion after the resurrection of Jesus when all of the disciples worshipped Jesus. We are told, "when they saw him they worshipped him."

Thomas worshipped Jesus when he saw Him alive again. John 20:28 teaches that Thomas responded, "My Lord and my God!"

There are many occasions when the names attributed to Jesus indicate that others believed Jesus was divine. John 1:1, 20:28, Philippians 2:5-8, Colossians 2:9, Hebrews 1:3, and other passages refer to Jesus as Lord, revering Him in worship.

Some argue that the occasions that involve bowing before Jesus were not acts of worship, but Revelation 22:8-9 shows that in New Testament times, bowing before someone was considered an act of worship. John wrote, "I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed them to me, but he said to me, 'You must not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers the prophets, and with those who keep the words of this book. Worship God.'"

So you reject all the Bible passages listed above?

Oh....so for you, worship doesn't mean worship. Or sometimes it does or sometimes it doesn't. Or it means different things different times.

Quite the hermeneutical gymnastics! It would take a Watchtower to come up with that.

This matters because you are missing out on so much of the riches of truth. Perhaps even salvation.

Your passage about Joshua is not relevant because nothing is said about worship, only obeisance. If I encountered an angel, I might fall on my face too, but not in worship. Some passages I listed mention worship and all refer to Jesus.

I am not worried about the Judge. He is righteous. I just long for you to enjoy a full marriage banquet with Jesus when you are sitting in the ditch eating spoiled tofu.

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Jn 14:8-10

Philip (like you) could not grasp that the man Jesus was God, so he asked:

 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Then, Philip understood. Doubting Thamas took a little longer to get it, but he finally did. You could be next.

I understand Jesus is not your God. One day He absolutely will be. You too will bow before Him and cry out, Lord and God!

I hope that by then you will be able to say with Thomas, "My Lord," and "My God."

Before it is too late.

Right, Thomas beheld Jesus, understood who Jesus was, and worshipped Jesus--there is only one whom we are to worship and that one is God.

Right. The point in that passage isn't worship, it is that Thomas addressed Jesus as God"

There is only one God. Some people talk about three distinct persons because we attempt to explain a magnificent being that defies easy description. The solution to that problem is not to bring deity down to our feeble descriptions, but to worship Him,

Nevertheless, here is an analogy:

Analogies always break down because they are not the real thing, but let me try (borrowed from somewhere):

Light is comprised of the three primary colors: red, yellow, and blue. Each color is separate, but when blended together they make “white light” or daylight, and they function as one. Similarly, each person of the Trinity is a separate and distinct person, but together they constitute the Trinity and function as One.

Curious about your translation of John 20:28 from Koine Greek into English.

John 20:24-29 LEB (with Hebrew words for Jewish usual translation of יהוה as Lord & אלהים as God in LXX) => Now Thomas, one of the twelve, who was called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. So the other disciples said to him, “We have seen the יהוה Lord!” But he said to them, “Unless I see in his hands the mark of the nails, and put my finger into the mark of the nails, and put my hand into his side, I will never believe!” And after eight days his disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Although the doors had been shut, Jesus came and stood in their midst and said, “Peace to you.” Then he said to Thomas, “Place your finger here and see my hands, and place your hand and put it into my side. And do not be unbelieving, but believing!” Thomas answered and said to him, “My יהוה Lord and my אלהים God!” Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen me, have you believed? Blessed are those who have not seen and have believed.”

John 20:28 SBLGNT => ἀπεκρίθη Θωμᾶς καὶ εἶπεν αὐτῷ· Ὁ κύριός μου καὶ ὁ θεός μου.

ἀπεκρίθη - to answer, to reply - verb, aorist, middle/passive, indicative, 3rd person (action happened)

Θωμᾶς - Thomas - noun, nominative, singular, masculine

καὶ - and - conjuction, logical connective

εἶπεν - to say - verb, present, active, indicative (continuous action in present time)

αὐτῷ· - to him - pronoun, personal, 3rd person, dative, singular, masculine (dative can be: locative, instrumental, dative - recipient of action)

Ὁ - The - article, nominative, singular, masculine

κύριός - Lord - noun, nominative, singular, masculine

μου - of me - pronoun, personal, 1st person, genitive, singular (genitive can be: possessive "of me" OR ablative "from me")

καὶ - and - conjuction, logical connective

ὁ - The - article, nominative, singular, masculine

θεός - God - noun, nominative, singular, masculine

μου. - of me - pronoun, personal, 1st person, genitive, singular (genitive can be possession "of me" OR ablative "from me")

replied Thomas and saying to him: "The יהוה Lord of me and The אלהים God of me."

(John 20:28 my translation with Hebrew words for Jewish usual translation of יהוה as Lord & אלהים as God in LXX)

What thoughts about three names in Deuteronomy 6:4 יהוה אלהינו יהוה  (We => אלהים has 1st person plural pronoun suffix) ?

Two יהוה names are in Jeremiah 23:5-6 LEB => “Look, days are coming,” declares יהוה Yahweh, “when I will raise up for David a righteous branch, and he will reign as king, and he will achieve success, and he will do justice and righteousness in the land. In his days Judah will be saved, and Israel will dwell in safety, and this is his name by which he will be called: ‘יהוה Yahweh is our righteousness.’

Hebrew word צדקנו righteousness has 1st person plural pronoun suffix so his name could be translated => 'יהוה Yahweh Righteousness We'

How many subject(s) are saying in Isaiah 44:6 ? How many יהוה ?

Isaiah 44:6-7 LEB => Thus says יהוה Yahweh, the king of Israel, and its redeemer, יהוה Yahweh of hosts: “I am the first, and I am the last, and there is no god besides me. And who is like me? Let him proclaim it! And let him declare it and set it in order for me since I established an eternal people and things that are to come, and let them tell them the things that are coming.

How truthful are the words Jesus spoke in Revelation 22:13 ?

Revelation 22:12-16 LEB => “Behold, I am coming quickly, and my reward is with me, to repay each one according to what his deeds are! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” Blessed are the ones who wash their robes, so that their authority will be over the tree of life and they may enter into the city through the gates. Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the sexually immoral people and the murderers and the idolaters and everyone who loves and who practices falsehood. “I, Jesus, sent my angel to testify to you about these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.”

Who is Jesus that has "my angel" to send ?

Did the Apostle Paul describe Jesus incorrectly in Philippians 2:5-11, especially existing in the form of plural אלהים God ?

Philippians 2:5-11 LEB (with Hebrew words for Jewish usual translation of יהוה as Lord & אלהים as God in LXX) => Think this in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, existing in the form of אלהים God, did not consider being equal with אלהים God something to be grasped, but emptied himself by taking the form of a slave, by becoming in the likeness of people. And being found in appearance like a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, that is, death on a cross. Therefore also אלהים God exalted him and graciously granted him the name above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven and of those on earth and of those under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is יהוה Lord, to the glory of אלהים God the Father.

When the physical realm did not exist, how could Jesus experience אלהים God's Glory (John 17:5) and אלהים God's Love (John 17:24) ?

FWIW: three names in Deuteronomy 6:4 יהוה אלהינו יהוה (We => אלהים has 1st person plural pronoun suffix) shows completeness of unique God.

Was Jewish Rabbi Jesus incorrect to command disciples of Jesus to be ye believing in me (Jesus) the same as be ye believing in God ?

πιστεύετε εἰς τὸν θεόν, καὶ εἰς ἐμὲ πιστεύετε (John 14:1 SBLGNT words spoken by Jesus to disciples)

πιστεύετε - to believe - verb, present, active, indicative, 2nd person, plural "Be ye believing" (present = continuous action in present time)

εἰς - in - preposition

τὸν - the - article, accusative, singular, masculine (accusative case shows object of preposition εἰς)

θεόν, - God - noun, accusative, singular, masculine (grammatical case, number, gender agrees with article)

καὶ - also - adverb/particle, emphatic

εἰς - in - preposition

ἐμὲ - me - pronoun, personal, 1st person, accusative, singular (accusative case shows object of preposition εἰς)

πιστεύετε - to believe: verb, present, active, indicative, 2nd person, plural "Be ye believing" (present = continuous action in present time)

Be ye believing in the אלהים God, also in me Be ye believing (John 14:1 my translation with Hebrew word for Jewish usual translation of אלהים as God in LXX). FYI: "ye" is olde English plural form of you, which was in the Bishop's Bible and kept by Authorized Version translators.

Joshua 5:13-15 LEB => And it happened, when Joshua was by Jericho, he looked up, and he saw a man standing opposite him with his sword drawn in his hand. And Joshua went to him and said, “Are you with us, or with our adversaries?” And he said, “Neither. I have come now as the שַׂר commander of יהוה Yahweh’s army.” And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and he bowed down and said to him, “What is my אדני lord commanding his servant?” The שַׂר commander of יהוה Yahweh’s army said to Joshua, “Take off your sandals from your feet, for the place where you are standing is holy.” And Joshua did so.

Joshua addressed the commander of יהוה Yahweh’s army as a-do-NAI אדני Lord.

Hebrew range of שַׂר word meaning for commander includes prince, which was used to describe the archangel Michael in Daniel 10:21

Daniel 10:13 describes Michael as one of the chief princes in LEB, one of the commanders of the first order in Greek Septuagint. NWT describes Mi'cha-el as one of the foremost princes.

The Old Testament in Greek according to the Septuagint (LXX) by Henry Barclay Swete includes the Jewish apocryphal book of Enoch. Lexham English Septuagint (LES) translates LXX Swete (diplomatic edition has Codex Vaticanus text supplemented by other manuscripts & an apparatus).

Enoch 20:1-7 LES => These are the angels of powers: Uriel, one of the holy angels, who is over the world and the netherworld; Raphael, one of the holy angels, who is over the spirits of men; Raguel, one of the holy angels, who avenges the world of luminaries; Michael, one of the holy angels, who was appointed over the good ones of the people and over the chaos; Sariel, one of the holy angels, who is over the spirits who sin in the spirit; Gabriel, one of the holy angels, who is over paradise and the dragons and Cherubim. These are the seven names of the archangels.These are the angels of powers: Uriel, one of the holy angels, who is over the world and the netherworld; Raphael, one of the holy angels, who is over the spirits of men; Raguel, one of the holy angels, who avenges the world of luminaries; Michael, one of the holy angels, who was appointed over the good ones of the people and over the chaos; Sariel, one of the holy angels, who is over the spirits who sin in the spirit; Gabriel, one of the holy angels, who is over paradise and the dragons and Cherubim. These are the seven * names of the archangels.

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